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WikiLeaks Losing Support From Anonymous
Hugh Pickens writes "The Guardian reports that members of computer hacker collective Anonymous have distanced themselves from WikiLeaks, claiming the whistleblowers' site has become too focused on the personal tribulations of its founder, Julian Assange. A statement linked from the Anonymous Twitter account, AnonymousIRC, described WikiLeaks as 'the one man Julian Assange show,' and complained that the website implemented a paywall seeking donations from users who wanted access to millions of leaked documents. 'The idea behind WikiLeaks was to provide the public with information that would otherwise be kept secret by industries and governments. Information we strongly believe the public has a right to know,' said the statement on behalf of Anonymous. The dispute could starve WikiLeaks of potentially newsworthy leaks in the future, as some of Wikileaks' recent disclosures – including the Stratfor emails – are alleged to have come from Anonymous."
except played out differently
Yeah, Anonymous, that well known organisation made up of a heirachy of people who all speak with the same voice, united under a single person.
Oh, hang on, no, they're made up of a whole slew of individuals who do not speak for each other. What was I thinking of.
Apparently, the Guardian didn't manage to break out of this incorrect belief about the structure of Anon.
paywall seeking donations
Paywall by definition means REQUIRED payment (fee). In contrast, a donation is a VOLUNTARY payment (gift)
That's the point of wikileaks, allowing anonymous leaks.
So anonymous is a group that is not a group but acts like a group when the group wants to exert its influence on topics that the group finds interesting. But since the group is not a group but a movement, it cannot give or take away support from Wikileaks.
Makes sense to me.
See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
So basically, they're having a lover's spat between thieves, and this is news why? Wikileaks sunk itself because it put all it's eggs in a basket named Julian. When you're fighting the good fight against a government, exposing and embarassing them, they're going to target your leaders. The first duty of any political movement is to ensure continuity; Because your leaders will be taken out of the game. Wikileaks was too centralized, and so all it took was removing this one guy and making three phone calls (to paypal, visa, and mastercard) to take it out of the game.
Wikileaks died of poor planning. It died of ego. And you know what: Good. Enough people have seen the need for a secure and anonymous disclosure of documents that are in the public's best interest to know, but come from citizens in oppressive countries without journalistic shield laws (Yes, United States, I am looking at you). The next incarnation of Wikileaks will not be captained by one man, it will not rely on easily co-opted financial institutions to survive, and... hopefully, that decentralization will also help the next version stay honest. It'll keep any one person's ego from taking center stage, and that'll mean more rational thinking, and hopefully lead to people focusing less on hurting a government they have a bone to pick with and more on telling people things they actually should know. Yes, that was a veiled reference to the diplomatic cable leaks -- Bad Plan, Darlings. We don't need to know that our diplomats are sexually promiscuous, or that they're having marital problems, etc. Those are private matters -- diplomat or not, we need to respect the privacy of others unless there's a compelling public interest reason for disclosure. If you can't do that, you'll never have anyone's respect -- because you're just settling grudges, not looking out for your country's best interest. And to the former crowd... I hope the police do come and bust your door down and spank the everloving crap out of you so you learn some manners. -_-
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It's as though the competitors with down syndrome refused to race for their very own country.
With friends like Anonymous, who needs enemies?
He is under attack by TWO Nobel peace prize winners!
Uh, it's not showing a paywall right now for me. This all seems very suspicious.
"The" anonymous twitter account...
Regardless of whether the author fully grasps the structure of Anonymous, the summary clearly states that it's the members (i.e. individuals) who are disenchanted with WikiLeaks.
The fallacy lies with one member claiming to speak for the whole. "...on behalf of Anonymous"
To my knowledge Assange is just the face of the company, people provide wikileaks with the info and Assange is the messenger.
It is important to realize that the messenger is the one getting the flogging, not those who have committed crimes or broken the law. Just the messenger. It's specifically a message from the government "If you mess with us and reveal our secrets we will lock you away like Bradley Manning!".
Citizens pay taxes, which fund governments which are be accountable to the public who pay the taxes, that's how it *should* work. What Assange is going through shows very clearly that when we attempt to hold those in power accountable for their actions, actions which they have kept(hidden) from the public, they will go after you tooth and nail. That's the country we live in folks, keep paying taxes and keep your mouth shut, or face the wrath of the government.
This is why it is better strategy to imprison leaders of movements than kill them. I'm not agreeing with the method, I'm just noticing the effects. If you imprison them there organization will try everything to get them out instead of focusing on the issues that they were started in the first place. If Osama bin Laden was captured instead of killed, everything would go into getting him freed... the purpose of the organization would be lost.
Julian Assange is for all purposes a prisoner. All wikileaks has been doing for the last year is trying to get him out.
Wikileaks is all about Assange's psychotically huge ego. Cryptome has been doing the right thing for much longer, much more effectively.
why not make it superfluous by creating a content delivery network for all the leaked data? I bet at least a few anonymous members have a spare bot net lying around they could repurpose.
Why doesn't Anon just pWn wikileaks and leak the leaks?
All 9/11 conspiracy theorists can fuck off and die. Seriously, you're not clever, you're not fighting for truth. You're assholes who don't realize they make as much sense as birthers or moon landing hoax nuts.
Just stop.
- "Scientia non habet inimicum nisp ignorantem"
computer hacker collective Anonymous.
I stopped reading right there. Emphasis mine.
There are idiots on 4chan who spend all their time trolling forums, staring at gore pictures, and fapping to underage girls, and they call themselves "Anonymous". Then there are script kiddies who download LOIC and DDoS websites with their parents' internet connection, and call themselves "Anonymous". Then there are actual computer "hackers" (crackers?) who actually break into systems, steal data, and commit crimes, but I don't see very many of them flying the "Anonymous" flag nowadays.
Yes, JA is being railroaded, but it is beyond tiring of WL coyly dangling carrots to stay relevant by picking and choosing small drips what to release. Anonymous would probably dump everything at once and mirror it across the world a hundred times over.
Can't remember the particulars, but there was a former WL principal that took a goodly chunk about embarassing banking dirt and deleted it (or sold it back, or?). This info is too valuable to keep in a few precocious hands that think they alone can change the world. Dump it all. Now.
But... but... but... melting point of steel! Secret radio communications! Planted explosives! Jet fuel doesn't burn! Sheeple! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME! I just want to sound smarter than everyone for once!
I suspect that might be true, but then the "leaks" movement is much more and greater than Assange:
http://globaleaks.org/
Recommended reading: Andy Greenberg's This Machine Kills Secrets
Recommended viewing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xA_glFb0oWs
Are you the stinking spawn of derivatives dealers? Hedge fund super-thieves, or just lowly bankster scum?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xA_glFb0oWs
Ok maybe I am a newbie to this. But can someone please explain what is Wiki Leaks?
http://www.parkavenumis.com
Anyone that says Anonymous is making an announcement is ignorant of the term. Anonymous can do things, but they can't say things since the label requires action to be defined.
Alright, I looked.
Not sure why people would think telling a *firefighting team not a demolitions team* to "pull it" would mean that the *firefighting team* should somehow collapse the building. The offered explanation is rather more logical, isn't it?
And based on the documentation from the site, the building was on shaky foundation to start with. Which means a number of factors could have caused it to collapse.
But alright. It was a conspiracy, I'm sure you can argue until I walk away in frustration, fine. But to what end? Cui bono? And ultimately, what difference does it make? If you're right, some dude conspired to get his building destroyed in the mayhem - one which he wanted destroyed anyway. His empty, evacuated building. So I'm really not getting it. What's the point? Who benefits and what does this have to do with anything else that occurred on 9/11? Maybe this is all perfectly clear to the folks who publish that web site, but to those of us looking for information, there's a distinct lack of it.
I am the keeper of the secret knowledge! If it were not for my vigilance, the world would have plunged into the abyss by now! I've got a blog.
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
Steel doesn't need to melt in order to weaken. 'Nuff said.
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
Just as file sharing evolved to make it more and more difficult to track people, so will this movement evolve. Another organization will arise to take the place of WikiLeaks, and they will learn from WikiLeaks' mistakes. They won't make it about one person, and if their leadership (if they have one) is discovered and exposed, the reins will be passed to protect the cause.
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With friends like these, who needs enemies?
So they dont realize that they are playing right into the hands of their enemies? This was the intent of targeting Julian. Discredit the man, and by extension, discredit Wikileaks.
It's patently ridiculous that they've fallen for it... but what else could you expect from a bunch of 12 year olds. Certainly not any kind of sophisticated understanding of political strategy. They've bought the simplest, most transparent gambit imaginable.
Next they're all going to start voting Republican/Democrat because they want to see real change in government.
...that I might be the only solipsist in the word...
Yes there's *lots* of crazy theories floating around about 9/11. And we can't trust the US gov either. So we're practically clueless.
Please enlighten us, oh wise random internet user: Why exactly did Building 7 collapse?
Steel doesn't need to melt in order to weaken. 'Nuff said.
Shhh, don't tell the conspiracy nuts that. They just won't believe you. I mean obviously that's why cars run fine without oil in them, or have coolant in them. Oh wait...son of a...
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As the World Turns for freaks.
Because it was a very large building. Because it was on fire. Because two other very large buildings right across the street collapsed and showered it with debris earlier in the day.
When a rock gets kicked up by a truck on the highway and damages your windshield, instead of the guy next to you... do you automatically assume it's a conspiracy by the government to damage your vehicle? Or do you really not realize that sometimes bad shit happens randomly, and one building could be struck in a way that would weak it structurally without every other building in the surrounding area being struck in the same fashion?
Jesus christ, fuck off with your 9/11 bullshit.
Of course Wikileaks in pretty fucking interested in what happens to Assange. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
On the other hand, even if the US tortures and murders Assange, Wikileaks will never stop as long as there are secrets in the world.
And Anonymous is a huge bunch and essentially you and me despite neither of us are a part of it. There are all kinds in it. That's the beauty of the beast.
Whoever did 9/11, it is a drop in the ocean (a dead terrorist dropped in the ocean maybe) compared to the crimes commited by the US government that are on record and uncontested. So why focus on something that may or may not be true, and most people will dismiss you as crazy for suggesting is true anyway? There's no lack of damning facts, drop the crap that people won't swallow and may not even be the case and stick to those that are established. You will get further this way as they are powerful enough truths. Little good was done by "truthers" as far as the global ordeal against the empire goes, largely they've just helped undermine those putting forward arguments based on established facts. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
And no I haven't forgotten that Rumsfeld declared a "War on Waste" on the 10th of September 2001 aiming to combat a hole in the pentagon budget of more than two trillion dollars. Then the next day it's forgotten about and the pentagon gets all the funds it wants. Yes, it does make me suspect that a group in the pentagon quite likely did it. A suspicion isn't enough to go around claiming something as a fact though. What kind of world would it be if we operated like that? One where we carry out the summary execution of suspected terrorists? Perhaps.
NEWS FLASH!
Organization loses support from an unknown number of people who refuse to own up to their true identity.
You heard it here first, folks. We have no idea who isn't supporting Wilileaks anymore, but we do know that they claim to be numerous and belligerent.
The Guardian (as well as other MSM outlets) opposed publishing information regarding Israel, leading to Assange being called an agent of Israel. Assange managed to offend the ego of a Guardian 'journalist' so the journalist has it in for Assange. A Guardian 'journalist' leaked the key used to encrypt the so-called 'insurance' file. The Guardian as MSM is threatened by a successful Wikileaks model.
Who is the CIA contact at the Guardian?
So you can actually read the official 9/11 commission report and find nothing out of the ordinary? Nothing a little weird? No strange coincidences?
You're crazier than the worst tin-foil hat wearer if you said yes.
Well my internet friend Its pretty simple and having been only a few blocks away when it happenand having watched 4 of the buildings collapse with my own eyes, I can explain.
World Trade I and II were very LARGE buildings, in fact they were some of the largest buildings in the World for a long time and they we not made of paper.
Two large airliners hit both (which I can confirm from watching it), causing them to catch on fire, melt and collapse causing massive damage to the buildings around them.
Every firefighter in the area who wasn't instantly killed in the collapse was busy trying to recover and save lives instead of worrying about putting out a fire next door from an empty building which was probably already doomed.
It is insulting to me and the people who died that day when people make up bullshit when the truth was bad enough.
The comments to my post seem to support failure to see the puzzle pieces.
Actually this is all very interesting the motive of hiding financial investigation and spending which are bank related. Building 7 contained SEC investigation into various financial issues including http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2704stockmarket.html and the day before on 9/10 Donald Rumsfeld publicly stated the pentagon cannot account for 2.3 trillion of its spending of taxpayer dollars. Guess what department of the pentagon got destroyed! Have people seen the supposed passenger list of the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon (plenty high security military related) somehow let a few guys with box knives detour a plane for how long? and to do a difficult maneuver cork screw flight path to hit that specific department. What does that say about those working in military security?
And there is Julian who threatened Banks.... only to have a former Wikileaks person vanish that information too? Really? Where is the backups any intelligent IT person would had done with such information???
So you see its really not difficult to distance supporters of wikileaks from wikileaks..... And that includes me who has a $100 wikileaks t-shirt.... The guy who got the brits panties all bunched up when I suggested live online (certainly the authorities were watching) Julian had left the embassy weeks before that early morning when they damn well near violated the embassy border when they force-ably entered the building only as far as determining with certainty he was still there.
Where does Anonymous fit in? Some think it's head up by CIA, But I say "they may have started it but who is gonna finish this?"
There are other directions and methods for leaking ..... I don't have to play the Anon card.... All anyone need to is think it out with honesty. of 7 billion people on this planet, it really is the few psychopaths in command positions whom are dangerous to the rest of us. What Wikileaks in sum has exposed is just that. Those "playing the game with the bravery (cowardice) of being out of range" - Roger Waters
The Guardian is not exactly an unbiased news source for matters related to Julian Assange and Wikileaks.
The Guardian was one of the newspapers given access to the unredacted cables that sparked global controversy. Initially, they honored their promise to keep the source material secret - after all, it contained names of sources whose lives might depend upon anonymity.
The Guardian's "Investigative Editor" David Leigh decided it would be OK to publish a book about Assange and Wikileaks, which incredibly contained the password for the unredacted cables file already circulating on torrent sites.
How many lives David Leigh affected will never be known - but obviously after this, the relationship between Wikileaks and The Guardian soured dramatically.
Welcome to my foes list... you've demonstrated a remarkable lack of logic and basic thinking skills, and I wanted to be sure I never read anything you write again.
obligatory http://xkcd.com/966/
Please expand on what strange coincidences and little weirdnesses you're referring to.
Funny coincidences happen all the time. Just the other day, I was wondering what became of a girl I used to talk to all the time from work but who I lost touch with about 4 years ago when she moved away to a new job in North Carolina, and I took a new job at a new company. And what do you know, just yesterday, she found me on Facebook and wrote me a note. What a weird coincidence - I was literally JUST THINKING ABOUT HER, and she added me on Facebook!
I guess you're not familiar with superstition - the phenomenon by which a human brain seeks to impose cause-effect relationships on random and unrelated coincidences, in an effort to build a larger narrative that makes sense of the unrelated incidents. I guess there's some government conspiracy to reunite me with this girl after 4 years, for some nefarious end, huh? Maybe we're destined to mate and produce the first of a new breed of politician that will be immune to both fire and ice, as well as truth and facts!?
Sorry, but building 7 did was not hit by anything and there was not a single steel reinforced building in HISTORY that has ever collapsed due to fire damage, then we have 3 in the same day. Two hit by planes in different locations and one not hit at all and all three collapse in exactly the same way?
I honestly don't know exactly what happened myself, but I do know the official story is full of crap cause I actually looked at it falling and used common sense instead of just accepting what I was told.
If you can think of where you can hit a tall slender building from the side have it pancake instead of topple, please let me know as you will have revolutionized building design and demolition around the globe.
You're an idiot.
Yes there's *lots* of crazy theories floating around about 9/11. And we can't trust the US gov either. So we're practically clueless.
Please enlighten us, oh wise random internet user: Why exactly did Building 7 collapse?
Highly localized, exceptionally brief Godzilla attack. Obviously. I know you'll never believe me because the truth hurts, but think of this: Where WAS Godzilla in all this?!? See? See? Yeah.
Why hasn't my bbq grill collapsed yet then? I pour lighter fluid on it frequently and it burn coals for long periods of time. The steel doesn't seem to be weakening any.
We can blame Anonymous hackers for using your computer to edit the quote to look like it supports what you are trying to say. You probably did that by accident, but that still counts as anonymous as long as you don't take credit for it yourself.
Sorry you're right. Governments never lie. Thus, our government did not lie about 911, Iraq, or Afghanistan. And you're definitely not engaging in the classic disinformation tactic of associating non-believers with crazies.
"not fighting for truth?" What is fighting for truth then? What you're doing?
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." H.G. Citation.
How many more years will slashdot have an off-by-one error on your Score in your profile?
Good points... I was pondering on the quick finding of one of the alleged terrorists passports after hearing of it from finnish news - way before there were any theories. So quick, too quick, too easy, too unbelievable it surviving intact from the explosion and then in all the chaos getting discovered and focused on so quickly - also asked myself how/why exactly they were so certain that the passport was of one terrorist, ie...
But that didn't prove anything, I know that. It's just one problem in the equation with multiple things. I know there are conspiracy theorists that are nuts (note: believing there are conspiracies or even believing that you know of one does not make you conspiracy theorist - like interest in philosophies don't make you philosofist. Not believing that there are conspiracies / labeling anyone who even thinks of possibility of conspiracy on something makes you deranged from reality though), but this one is so huge claim that it's rather easy to understand people considering it too unrealistic and rather accept bunch of unexplained stuff than possibility of something else...
One thing I don't believe is that there is normally ever a day when the whole NORAD is doing training and no planes are there to intercept at all. Add in the probability of the attack happening on that very day, the confusion from some training that happened to describe similar situation (well, it's NORAD, but I mean counting all together), etc. and I just can't accept that.
Label me as a nutjob, but don't compare me to "no moon visit" theorists - you can't claim that I don't have anything worth of realistic thought at all, which is the case in moon conspiracy theory. Also comparing people to lunatic group X and putting stuff like "but the crashing to pancake, boohoo" and "*sniff* melted metal..." in quotes to mock them sounds a little funny when the stuff in the quotes really does beg an explanation.
P.S. ...not claiming to know what the truth behind all of this is but not believing it's how the official explanation goes.
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It is insulting to me and the people who died that day when people make up bullshit when the truth was bad enough.
So why not stop the BS about melting from airplane crash and crashing from small fire - no matter what you believe, leave the BS out of your explanation even if it leaves something unexplained.
People who disagree don't do it to insult or disrespect people who died innocently, even heroically.
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I must have missed this memo from my all mighty Anonymous leader maybe im out of the loop also hahahaha
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