Alpha Centauri Has an Earth-Sized Planet
The Bad Astronomer writes "Astronomers have announced that the nearest star system in the sky — Alpha Centauri — has an Earth-sized planet orbiting one of its stars. Alpha Cen is technically a three-star system: a binary composed of two stars very much like the Sun, orbited by a third, a red dwarf, much farther out. Using the Doppler technique (looking for very small changes in the velocities of the stars) astronomers detected a planet orbiting the smaller of the two stars in the binary, Alpha Centauri B. The planet has a mass only 1.13 times that of the Earth, making it one of the smallest yet detected.However, it orbits the star only 6 million kilometers out, so it's far too hot to be habitable. The signal from the planet is extremely weak but solidly detected (PDF), giving astronomers even greater hope of being able to find an Earth-like planet orbiting a star in its habitable zone."
Let's use that as a setting for a sci fi movie and waste it on contortionist zombies and scientists who act like complete douchebag morons. Awesome.
We already know that Zefram Cochrane is going there sometime in the next century to retire and live out his life with a cloud being... probably Apple's iCloud
Alpha Centauri Planet found. mass similar to earth, .6 million mile radius
Oh wow thats pretty cool. earth size planet maybe theres... nope.
how do planets orbit binary star systems? I would think two stars would give the planets erratic orbits that would either send them into one of the suns or shoot them into space.
If somehow we "made contact" with some "ET" type, and they had the means to get here "quickly", you think they would come in friendship? LOL, probably blow us up like the Klingons, Borg or some other crap. Just leave things alone will ya?
... considering that if the distance estimate is right, its orbit is 1/10 that of Mercury. Better put on the SPF 1million if you go out on that rock.
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
...for us about some space bypass or something. Seems important for some reason.
That sounds really cool. Or hot since, unfortunately, the close proximity to its star means that it probably has a surface temperature of 1500 K.
I guess I'd be more interested in a different-sized planet a bit further away from its star.
From the Star Trek Database: Sol's closest stellar neighbor, a trinary that is only 4.3 lightyears away from Earth. One of its components' habitable planets was already colonized by Earth humans in 2154--possibly the planet where warp-drive inventor Zefram Cochrane took up residence later in life.
When can we start travelling over there?
We have to establish colonies with factions fighting each other!
Unfortunately the United States can't even get off the planet anymore, and musicians out bid the USA for seats on the Russian rocket.
Using the Doppler technique (looking for very small changes in the velocities of the stars) astronomers detected a planet orbiting the smaller of the two stars in the binary
I understand how the Doppler effect actually works, I don't understand how it works on a scale of this magnitude, with one or two sources of reference and data that has been determined "scrubbable" (as in, "static noise", or data that doesn't belong in the analysis). How exactly is the speculation even tied to something worth a story?
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lol, anonymous thinks the universe is twice as big as the solar system.
Man will never fly, and only a fool would think it possible to walk on the moon.
A very close and very fast orbit produces weak but detectable movements of its star. But what if the planet were moving much slower and was much further away? Would that not mean the star would move even less, and slower as well? How does this give more hope to detecting planets in the habitable zone? Its 25x closer to its star than Earth. It's also 13% heavier than Earth and Alpha Centauri B is 9% lighter than the Sun. If my napkin calculations are correct, this planet has ~700x more gravitational effect on its star than Earth has on ours.
This IS Beta Centauri Five!!! Beta Centauri Six exploded, six months after we were left here. The orbit of the planet shifted. ADMIRAL Kirk never came back to check on our progress...
Or...
So, found an Earth-sized planet, did you? Real close too, neh? When are you leaving?
That's the thing with all your "man will never fly" quotes. Someone BUILT a machine, using real materials, real energy sources and real engineering with a few YEARS.
Since the moon shots, the space loon brigade has had DECADES to show us something, ANYTHING, that manned space makes a shred of sense.
That's the thing. You think that because someone was wrong, you think anyone who predicts a negative outcome is wrong. But you skip the tiny little detail of you know, BUILDING what it is you claim is possible.
By your logic, any prediction that sounds wrong to you, for whatever reason, can be discarded.
Man will never extend his lifespan.
I wonder what factor protection they use over there. Oh wait, it's only 6 Mkm away from Cen B.
"it's far too hot to be habitable."
That's an understatement. From the ArsTechnica article on the alpha Centauri planet:
"But don't start building the colony ship just yet. With a 3.3 day orbit, the planet is only 0.04 Astronomical Units (1 AU is the typical distance from the Earth to the Sun). That makes this planet blazingly hot, at about 1,500 Kelvin."
to traverse four light years of space
It simply needs to be long-lasting, and repairable en-route.
with absolutely no resources available from Earth once it's on its way
Make it big, contains adequate resources to support itself indefinately. An ecosystem.
and is 100% fail safe
Why? Nothing else we do is 100% fail safe. There is always risk.
and will get there either within a useful human lifespan or slow down life processes reversibly and safely.
Why? A generational ship is not a new concept.
Space bloggers (like me) who are signed up with the ESO news feed got word of this overnight. But the story was under embargo. You do not break the story until the embargo lifts or the ESO and Nature magazine gets very angry at you.
But some loud-mouth in Croatia violated the embargo. We were patiently waiting for the embargo to lift, biting our collective tongues, when mouthy jumped the gun.
We got an email from the ESO about an hour ago that said:
"I just spoke to the Head of Press at Nature, Ruth Francis, and we have agreed to LIFT THE EMBARGO on the Alpha Cen story IMMEDIATELY due to an unfortunate leak. You may run your stories."
Nature and ESO lift exoplanet embargo early following coverage by Croatian news outlet
to traverse four light years of space
It simply needs to be long-lasting, and repairable en-route.
with absolutely no resources available from Earth once it's on its way
Make it big, contains adequate resources to support itself indefinately. An ecosystem.
The hard resource is energy. What's the power supply for a very very long voyage?
We really need fusion for this.
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It is entirely possible that there are undiscovered planets in the habitable zone. It is the planets closest to the star with the shortest orbital periods that are the easiest to discover, either because generate frequent perturbations that can be detected in the data set, or are the most likely to cross the stellar disk (when using the brightness fluctuation method).
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Then, there is this:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/09/17/2229257/warp-drive-might-be-less-impossible-than-previously-thought
Does it have fungus and mind worms?
Hey Bad Astronomer: someone told me that there are rings around Uranus.
Is this true? If so, I suggest that you make an appointment to see the doctor!
*Snigger*
Since the moon shots, the space loon brigade has had DECADES to show us something, ANYTHING, that manned space makes a shred of sense.
And every time we come up with something, the JOEs shoot it down by saying 'We can't do that now, therefore we'll never be able to do it so don't even bother getting out of bed'. And Congress seems to listen to the JOEs, especially when they can game the system to pump and dump 'development money' into their districts as purest pork without having to come up with anything tangible with the money, rinse and repeat.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
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There is nothing to say there isn't an earth mass planet in the Goldilocks zone of either star. We just don't have the tech to be able to detect it yet.
We no longer need to develop the not-quite-impossible-anymore warp drive. Just wait to buy jump gate technology from our good and dear friends.
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Don't worry everybody. I'm just testing to see if it's a feral redditor. If it is I'll have to cut its head off and then burn the body to prevent an infestation.
I'd keep you kids locked up inside until I give the all clear if I were you.
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- the orbital period is way longer (let's say 1 year) ... so I guess you'd need at least 1 year and then some of observation data (albeit with a lower sample rate) to make sure you really found something and it's not a fluke.
- this is even worse if you go for observing passes of the planet in front of it's host star (as the possibility of the pass from our perspective decreases with distance, and also the time between passes increases).
Ah! Home sweet home, I do miss it sometimes but the journey back is a pain in the ass.
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Why? A generational ship is not a new concept.
It sucks, though, as it will invariably be overtaken by some dudes in a faster-than-light space yacht who make fun of the ancient crew. At least that's what my sci-fi reading experience tells me. :-)
We're stuck here for good, destined to just keep looking at extra solar planets via telescope and speculating about whether they could support life as we know it. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.3 light years away. The farthest man made object is just roughly 17 light hours from home after 35 years of travel; so forget about sending spaceships physically to the stars unless someone invents warp drive. It's laughable to talk of Alpha Centauri when no one in power is showing interest in returning to the moon, let alone Mars.
And leaving aside that, we're stuck with the reality of NASA facing budget cuts despite its overall budget being a drop in the ocean compared to what's been spent on war in the last 10 years.
Space exploration should've been incremental, start with a lunar refuelling base at the pole where there's water ice that can be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel, and use that as a staging area for further exploration. Build a spacecraft for travelling to Mars in LEO stage by stage, and send a bunch of robots to assemble a modular base well before the first humans are sent (Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series describes this approach).
While Curiosity, Opportunity & Spirit are testimony to NASA's engineering prowess, it still can't beat an actual geologist (areologist?) on Mars with a field laboratory who's able to directly analyse rocks and figure out what it was like in the past.
Want some perspective? Just the annual airconditioning budget for the US Army in Iraq/Afghanistan far exceeds that of NASA's.
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... Asimov said so years ago! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_and_Earth#Part_VI:_Alpha
I am glad to know that all the ships that I ve sent all these years are really going somewhere..
So the nation that first is able to send a space ship there with a colony wins?
Implying slashdotters are significantly better?
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The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Well we need to put them in the oven too as weev memorably said of bloggers, but for some reason I get modded down here whenever I say that.
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Especially Rann. Now, *where* did I put my red flight suit and rocket packs?
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Please describe the machinery required to traverse four light years of space, with absolutely no resources available from Earth once it's on its way, and is 100% fail safe and will get there either within a useful human lifespan, or describe a way to (on top of the machine from step 1) slow down life processes reversibly and safely.
Warp drives. DUH. If that doesn't work then just reverse the polarity, or invert the modulation to the phase coils. Make sure you realign the sensor array first so you don't cause a cascade overload in the resonance dampers.
I thought that award went to "Proxima Centauri"?
Quick, gather seven intelligent, ruthless leaders with widely disparate ideologies and barely restrained hostility toward each other, then put them on course for the planet.
We send an unmanned ship carrying all of human knowledge, a few robots, a bunch of DNA samples and the equipment needed to grow clones.
Well, that has been proposed-- for that matter, by me http://web.archive.org/web/20100409080615/http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/generalscience/star_voyage_020319-1.html
(although I'm by no means the first)
We might not be able to do it now, but it's likely that we could in time.
Yes, quite a bit of technology development needed.
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An earth-sized planet around Alpha Centuri. That's old news. I was reading about Adam Strange's adventures on Rann since the early 1960s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Strange
With the currently plausible technology, it'd have to be a generation ship. We'd need them for exploring and fully utilising the Solar System, so by the time that we're in a position to seriously consider expanding to Alpha Centauri, we'll have generations of experience with them.
An unnecessary constraint. you only need to persuade the first generation of pilots, engineers, life-support specialists etc that they've got an adequate likelhood of surviving to their (natural) death on board. The offspring won't have any choice about it - they won't have the delta-V and energy to turn round without spending years in orbit near a star ... i.e. the Alpha Centauri system.
See previous comment. If you're effectively taking your family and all you really care about with you, on a on-way trip, then it doesn't necessarily have to be completed in your life span. Just set up the system so that the next generation onboard have no option but to continue with the mission that you signed up to. It's as dirty a trick as that played on pretty much all the children of the (European) settlers of America and Australia. [SOB]
In reality, quite likely the appropriate crew for the first inter-stellar voyage will have been living on "generation ships" working the outer reaches of the Solar System for several generations. So, the shock of reaching adolescence and finding out that you really don't have the choice of taming horses on the Argentine Pampas won't exactly be a new situation.
Unnecessary. It may not be impossible, but the absence of such a technology isn't exactly a show-stopper.
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