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Surface RT vs. iPad: a Comparison

First time accepted submitter thetechblock writes "On Tuesday, with the release of pricing and pre-orders for the new Surface RT tablets, Twitter exploded with comparisons to the iPad. So, I decided to put together a little comparison chart to contrast two equivalent models." The comparison is interesting, but note the source; you can discount the conclusions of writer Jeff Blankenburg by as much as you want for his role as "developer evangelist" for Microsoft.

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  1. Yawn by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wake me up when there is a review by someone that isn't on either Apple or Redmond's payroll. This was nothing more than an advertisement.

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    1. Re:Yawn by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wake me up when comments on Slashdot stories about Microsoft products are not filled with 90% snarky drivel.

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    2. Re:Yawn by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Am I missing something, or did he not even have the unit to review?

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    3. Re:Yawn by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it's extensible with cheap SD storage. 20 GB for apps, add in a 64GB SD card for $40 for media. 84 GB total userspace memory, something impossible on iPad.

    4. Re:Yawn by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This was once pretty standard fare for pro-Microsoft journalists. I remember a year before Windows 95 came out that one of the Microsoft-friendly magazines published an article on Chicago extolling its virtues, with pictures showing how great it was, but with a tiny caption indicating that it was an artist's rendering. The whole article, and several like it had but one purpose, and that was dissuade people from moving to alternatives (mainly OS/2, which supported Win16 apps by this point) while Microsoft fought like hell to make a Win32 OS actually work.

      It's almost the exact opposite approach to Apple, which uses its veils of secrecy, with the odd fringe lifted ever so slightly, or the odd device "accidentally" left at a bar, to build up anticipation.

      Which one is better, we'll see. But it's pretty clear now that Microsoft's competitor right now isn't going to be the iPad, it's going to be the iPad Mini. Which device do you suppose will have long lines waiting to grab said device on release?

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    5. Re:Yawn by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At least the magazines had the excuse of being written a month before they actually got delivered... this guy is running a frigging blog and his "comparison" involves reading down spec sheets and accessory lists. And he dismisses "almost no apps" and "no accessories" and "inferior screen" as not really being that important. And then the really strange part is his assumption that people will use this for Office apps? Is that what people are doing with tablets?

      I've never understood the appeal of the tablets, so I don't really feel like I have a device to "root" for. My wife wanted a Kindle Fire HD, so we got one. I played with it for a few hours and she turned it on once, I think. I asked her why she made me get it and she said "to play videos for the kids in the car". Alrighty, then - glad she didn't ask for an iPad...

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    6. Re:Yawn by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      I look forward to a comparison of Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, as presented by Karl Rove.

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    7. Re:Yawn by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you're saying, try reading an incredibly biased website? At least slashdot is neutral and the issue is trolls, neowin is explicitly pro microsoft.

    8. Re:Yawn by DanTan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mistake #1: He compares it to 32 GB iPad, yet fails to mention that Windows and Office alone eat up about 12GB. So in reality, Surface is 20 GB and not 32.

      Obvious shill is obvious.

      The 20 gb size is for windows 8 pro for intel, there are no numbers yet on how bit the windows RT OS is yet.

    9. Re:Yawn by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Slashdot is extremely biased. But that is not a bad thing if you are into Unix and computer science. I thought Slashdot was moderate 10 years ago before I turned more conservative in my views and warmed up to Microsoft as I started working more and more in corporate area. MS and its products really did blow 10 years ago. Today they make sense in certain scenarios. Windows 7 is ok. Notice I did not refer to it as great :-)

      Anything with MS is bashed galore here and I have been accused all sorts of names for stating why I switched back to MS Office from LibreOffice as an example.

      Neowin is no different. It is filled with those who like Microsoft and those who are neutral as well. I see Android users on there too bash the surface with a few surface trolls go at it back and forth. Nothing like here on slashdot. Hairyfeet is the only user I know who does not get modded to -1 when defending Windows over Linux but he is an exception.

    10. Re:Yawn by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I like the concept of having a USB port. I don't have to do a single thing and all my existing solutions still work (external HD, etc...)

      If you require an external HD then you are using your tablet wrong regardless of the make or model. Get yourself a laptop and save yourself some grief. As for the HID stuff, most tablets have bluetooth and you don't have to fight the cables when trying to prop up your tablet in the field.

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    11. Re:Yawn by CowTipperGore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And nobody wants to have to add and remove cards all the time...

      Absolutely. I would much rather to delete my music and movies, or uninstall apps so that I can free up space for something new. Inserting a microSD card is just so inconvenient.

    12. Re:Yawn by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And then the really strange part is his assumption that people will use this for Office apps? Is that what people are doing with tablets?

      It's a little backward to say that no one uses office-type software on tablets, when to date office-type software on tablets has been universal trash. I've been waiting specifically for something like surface to come along. Sure it's not ideally suited for touch (I argue that office applications can never be suited for touch; by their very nature they are optimized for keyboard+mouse), but the ability is there.

      When I'm traveling on business, I can use full office to make light edits with touch to documents and know those changes will be 100% compatible with my colleagues working at home. When I'm stationed in the hotel, I can connect the Surface to the hotel TV and a keyboard+mouse and I have a full office suite right there. iPad cannot do this, and it's a killer feature of the Surface for me and those similarly situated.

    13. Re:Yawn by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I'm stationed in the hotel, I can connect the Surface to the hotel TV and a keyboard+mouse and I have a full office suite right there.

      While that idea does scream "Neato!" in my head, when I think about it a little longer, it is absurd. By the time you carry around keyboard, connectors, and Surface - wouldn't you be better off with a small laptop? And then you wouldn't need to stress over whether or not you can actually jack in to the hotel TV or whether it will be in a convenient spot. Something like a Macbook Air (2.4lbs) or 3lb Ultrabook is a bit larger than a tablet, but not significantly larger than tablet+keyboard+cover+connection cables and adapters, and a lot less unwieldy.

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  2. Joke article by Morpork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That 'article' is a joke - of course Surface comes out on top - when 'reviewed' by the guy who wrote the book on Windows Phone 8.

    It's also funny - I recall the exact same argument over quantity vs. quality of applications back in the 80's when Apple were the underdog. Seems like MS can't change their habit of... recycling other peoples' ideas.

    I also especially like the sign-off... "It’s time for all of you, my faithful readers, to tell me why I’m wrong"... well, we might if there was ANY option to comment on the page.

    So, why are Slashdot running this Surface ad under the guise of an article?

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  3. Re:Trash by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I actual bothered to click the link to the article, and all I see is a comparison of the cost of a few accessories and apps? Where's the comparison of the technical specs? How is this garbage even worth posting?

    Tech specs seem less relevant when comparing high-end tablets from different manufacturers running completely different operating systems - I'd rather see end-user impressions.

    Does the higher resolution of the iPad make any difference in real-life use? Is the larger screen of the MS tablet better or worse than the slightly smaller iPad screen with higher dpi? How fast is the device? Can it run multiple applications and switch smoothly among them? Can I play a video in the corner of the screen while I'm browsing the web? Does it load webpages quickly? How easy is it to use the UI?

    Those are the questions I'd like to see answered, if I really want to know what CPU the tablet is running, I can look that up, but knowing the processor and RAM specs tells me nothing about usability.

  4. Re:No keyboard with the Surface? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    All I got from this article is that once you add in the cost of the Surface's most notable feature, it costs $20 - $30 more than an equivalent iPad.

    Except that it's no longer equivalent unless you add the same feature to the iPad which will cost at least $20-$30 for comparable quality?

    But I thought the most notable feature of the tablet was that it runs MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint (it will cost your $30 to get equivalent software on the iPad) -- I don't know why you'd get the MS tablet if you weren't interested in running MS software.

  5. MS still hasn't answered the main question by Tridus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would I want to buy a Windows tablet?

    That's it. If they can come up with a good answer for that, they'll be able to sell them. Thus far, they haven't been able to. "Windows" itself is a negative brand name that carries a ton of baggage from crapware infested poor quality OEM PCs, and not something that makes people feel good about buying. The market tolerates Windows because it doesn't have a choice, it doesn't love Windows.

    Only problem is that in the tablet space, the market *does* have a choice. There's a clear leader, and it's not Windows. Why would I want Windows instead of the market leader? A lower resolution screen and Office are not exactly compelling selling features for home users.

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  6. Re:It's got Office and that's good enough for some by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...if it means I don't have to fart around with reformatting at teh last minute in Keynote, Page and Numbers on an iPad, or any of the other feeble attempts at Office compatibility to do a presentation, then that's just fine by me.

    Just wait until you try to open an Office document that uses a font outside the small subset of fonts included with the Surface. Hell, just opening a PPT on any laptop other than the one it was created on often requires last minute editing to get everything on the screen.

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  7. Two equivalent models by Brannon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about this for two equivalent models:

    iPad 32GB with 2560x1536 pixels : $599
    4xMicrosoft Surface 32GB tablets to yield a combined >2560x1536 pixel count : $1996

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    iPad looks like a much better deal to me.

    Or, how about we just compare them the way a consumer will:

    cheapest iPad: $499
    cheapest Microsoft Surface: $499

    "The iPad has a nicer screen but the Surface comes with more storage (32GB vs. 16GB). The iPad probably works better and has more apps--decision, iPad."

  8. 2 very different versions of Surface by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    One thing I don't see getting a lot of play is that there are two different versions of the Surface. On the face of it they both pretty decent and with the keyboard people should actually be able to use on to produce content. The resolution is disappointing, but as has been pointed out elsewhere Microsoft has figured out three different ways to address that issue.

    The RT model is the one that just went on sale. That is your toy that is really just a windows version of an Ipad except that it can produce content. However this model has serious drawbacks if you want to use one in a professional setting. You can't load or distribute apps for the Metro interface without using a process called side loading. Side loading can't be used unless your on a domain. The RT model can't join a domain, effectively making this a burden at best to try manage (third party agents etc). You also can't use any traditional application on it as it uses the ARM processor and Microsoft has been very adamant about not allowing any backwards compatibility with x86 or x64 apps.

    The Pro version can join a domain and use all the apps that a normal Windows 8 computer can use. This is the model that is meant for use on networks and for use in a professional setting. The best way to keep them straight in your head is to think back to the day when XP came in two versions. The Pro version was the one that was meant to be used for production work, the regular version was the one meant for home users. For all intents and purposes you have two very different products with the almost identical name and size.

    If you have to work with them professionally you should seriously considering putting out a memo to only allow purchase of the Pro model. This of course is why the pro model is built this way, because that is where the money is.

  9. Re:People who buy a Surface for Office by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For me, it doesn't matter so much how they impact typing speed, but the fact they free up half the screen from being obscured by a virtual keyboard that is appealing.

  10. Re:A very MS centric blog indeed... by Otter+Popinski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently you have not seen the new retina screen. Nothing prepares you for it because you can't see it on any monitor you have now. Letters look like they are carved in the glass with a diamond stylus. They just pop with sharpness you never knew you were missing.

    Have you seen the actual letters MS based their fonts on? You can't tell from the way they look on your retina display, but in person each letter looks as if it emerged fully-formed from the head of Zeus. When I first laid eyes on the "A" I wept tears of sweet honey and was transported to a world of dazzling rainbows.

  11. Re:Yawn or the Cure for Cancer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, we've had the cure for cancer for almost a decade now.

    Basically, it involves heating the cells 1 degree F internally.

    That takes care of 50 percent of all human cancers.

    We also have cancer-targeting ligands that allow us to provide docking receptors for targeted drug delivery, have binding tags that add phosphorescent snippets to cancer cells so we can locate any missed cancers during surgery (we actually turn out the lights and the cancer glows in the dark, it's way cool), and we have remote blood sugar measuring with wristwatch devices.

    But human trials take a lot longer than you think, and we have to start with mice, which we squish flat between plates to measure cancer growth and then chop open at the end. And that makes you all squeamish. But it works.

    Now .. you were saying?

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  12. Re:Some thoughts from an iPad user. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First of all, I do have an iPad. And an Android tablet. So I'm not talking hypotheticals here, but basing it on my own experiences using them.

    If you want to store more photos, why don't you get a bigger SD card for your camera. At $700/64GB the iPad makes for a very expensive SD card replacement, if that's actually the role you've envisioned for it.

    I did not suggest to store photos from your camera on your tablet. The idea is to view the photos from your camera on your tablet, especially when you want to show them to someone else.

    It's a lot like the keyboard dock (which Apple no longer sells) in that regard. Once you use the iPad, you really see that there's no sense attaching a keyboard to it.

    That is true, but it's because iPad is plainly not designed for use with a keyboard (much less a mouse!). It gives you the very basic capabilities, like entering text in textboxes, but you still have to rely heavily on touch. Consequently, few apps are designed to use the keyboard to its full extent when it's there.

    On the other hand, something like Android fares much better, because Google has actually taken care to promote keyboard support throughout the OS - there are many useful keyboard shortcuts, like switching apps or keyboard layouts, and browser has a bunch of its own as well (e.g. Ctrl+L to activate the address bar). They also give you a real mouse cursor when you have mouse or a trackpad connected, which makes it possible to do some precision pointing where it matters. Now, there are still few third-party apps that are similarly attentive, simply because few Android devices come with a convenient arrangement to be used with mouse+keyboard, but those that do are indisposable (e.g. a VNC/RDP client that understands both).

    Win8 is designed to be used for convertible devices from the get go. So when you attach the keyboard (and, to remind, it also has a trackpad), it's a fully supported use case throughout the OS - and don't forget that it has the classic desktop, too. Much easier for things like file management in Explorer, or when you have to surf that website with Flash that wants hover. Or Office, which is probably the biggest deal. Even more importantly, because it is, essentially, the "standard configuration" for Win8 tablets, all third-party apps that are published to the Store will take it into account, and will be designed to be not only touch-friendly, but also keyboard-friendly.

    If you don't get my point, my suggestion to you would be your own: try it. Find a store that has Asus Transformer (an Android tablet with a keyboard/trackpad dock that makes it look like a laptop) on display, and see how it works compared to your iPad.

  13. Re:Yawn or the Cure for Cancer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Informative

    Long involved biochemical reason why. Basically, the easiest way to kick in the apotosis chain is to heat the internal cell temp by approx 1 F. Heating to 1 F kills circa 98 pct cancer cells and impacts 2 pct non-cancer cells. Heating to 4 F kills 100 pct but kills 20 pct non-cancer cells, which causes organ failure and terminal death for person.

    Methods for doing this vary. Trials underway right now.

    Science never sleeps, it just doesn't always get attention when it says stuff, cause people get distracted by useless things like football and celebrity weddings.

    Good point re fevers. Note risk factors in medical science for very old or very young in running fevers. Much higher than for 20-60 yo. Sadly, cancers crop up later in life.

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