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Bill Gates Talks Windows Future, Touch Interfaces

Nerval's Lobster writes "In a YouTube interview released by Microsoft, co-founder Bill Gates offered a few hints of where Microsoft plans on taking Windows in coming years. 'It's evolving literally to be a single platform,' he said, referring to how Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 share a kernel, file system, graphics support, and other elements. At least in theory, that will allow developers to port apps from the desktop/tablet OS to the smartphone OS with relatively little work. The two operating systems already share the same design aesthetic, with Start screens composed of colorful tiles linked to applications. Gates also praised natural user interfaces — which include touch and voice — while taking a subtle dig at Apple's iPad and other tablets on the market. 'People want to consume their mail, reading, video anywhere, and they want it to be awfully simple,' he said. 'But you want to incorporate touch without giving up the kind of mouse, keyboard capability that's just so natural in most settings.'"

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  1. One or the other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you try to "incorporate touch without giving up the kind of mouse, keyboard capability that's just so natural in most settings.", you end up with Windows 8, Unity, and others I don't even want to know about. Keep touch interfaces out of my desktop, please.

    1. Re:One or the other by flirno · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some. Not all.

      Touch is great for accessing and consuming content.

      Touch is currently horrendous for producing or modifying content.

      These are not yet 'unified' avenues of usage as yet.

    2. Re:One or the other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Touch is also heavily dependent on the distance between user and monitor.

      Basically, if you have to move your shoulder *at all* to reach the display, that repetitive motion will get very tiresome very quickly.

      Tablet/phone: Touch works great.

      Laptop with keyboard: Touch is just so-so. Even with the notebook right on your lap, you have to move your shoulder a bit to reach it. If it's on a desktop in front of you, it gets worse.

      Workstation with large monitor: Touch is horrible. I don't want to move my 30" monitor any closer to me, and I don't want to reach way out to it.

    3. Re:One or the other by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Workstation with large monitor: Touch is horrible. I don't want to move my 30" monitor any closer to me, and I don't want to reach way out to it.

      Lay the monitor almost flat on the table. It would feel like drawing with pencil and paper. Upright is fine if it's mounted on the wall, and you're standing in front of it, like they they show in the movies

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    4. Re:One or the other by Synerg1y · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also requires A LOT of screen cleaner... an excellent investment opportunity for anybody that believes that touch screens will skyrocket in popularity in the near future.

    5. Re:One or the other by danomac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, I have. Well, not exactly Windows 8, but Windows Server 2012, which is the same interface.

      It took me 15 minutes to figure out where Windows Update was. This is a server and doesn't need a stupid touch interface that makes it impossible to find sysadmin tasks. If anything, it should be an option on RDP servers, and that's it.

      I really wonder what the hell the devs were smoking when they put a touch interface on a server.

      Tip: Use the bottom-right corner of your screen to find the search tool. Instead of clicking the Windows button and typing a search string. Oh yeah, the interface is so much better now. [/sarcasm]

  2. what a difference a decade makes by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's ironic that the guy who was telling us a decade ago that tablets (with styluses) were the future of personal computing, is now such a big fan of the mouse and keyboard.

    Each input method (touch, stylus, mouse, keyboard) has its uses. Different devices need different methods.

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  3. An absolutely critical product? by OldKingCole · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe for Microsoft's survival.

    The surface ARM is no more than another netbook (remember those? TABLETS replaced them), and the surface x86 version is just another ultra portable with touch screen support.

    As far as Window 8 is concerned, Microsoft is used to shoving its products by leveraging its monopoly in the OEM market. The case with mobile devices however is very different. Microsoft HAS to prove Windows 8 is worth all the fuss (comparing to existing Android and iOS), with the only advantage (which is yet to be tested) of having apps for your Windows based x86 share information with their ARM counterparts (please spare the build-once for both platforms BS). This synchronization may have been a killer app in the early mobile device days, but today information is synchronized across all platforms quite easily.

    Microsoft is definitely all-in on this one, if people adopt Windows 8 as a mobile OS, we may very well see Windows taking over the mobile devices market. If it won't, it's only a matter of time until desktop OS's (or at least Windows OS for most desktops) is obsolete, and so will be Microsoft.

    Only time will tell, but my money is on a colossal failure for Microsoft

  4. Anti-trust suit weakened Microsoft by concealment · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After that anti-trust investigation and suit in the 1990s, Microsoft has been waiting for other companies to take innovative steps so that it can adopt them later. The Apple "app store" was a boon to Microsoft, as they couldn't have done it on their own without ending up back in court.

    What's come of this is an intelligent strategy. They are essentially reviving an older strategy for making a standardized interface, which will allow developers and users more ability to mix-and-match interface components.

    It's also intelligent to sneak away from the venerable win32 and make a gift to developers, which is one platform for mobile, desktop and any other form of computing (knowing Gates: smart house and smart agents) that will arise.

    While I have my doubts about the Fisher-Price interface as well, I also felt this way about the "new" desktop in Windows XP. It'll be great to see Microsoft restoring some competition to the world of computing with this new strategy.

  5. Re:Like Apple? by gmack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing to do with Luck. Microsoft's mistake was assuming people wanted a desktop experience on a device too small for it to be effective. They have now come to their senses and come up with a good cell phone experience but now want to do the opposite and inflict a mobile interface on their desktop users.

    As for Apple: The core kernel may be similar but their interfaces are completely different between desktop and mobile.

  6. Awfully Simple by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny
    Bill Gates

    'People want to consume their mail, reading, video anywhere, and they want it to be awfully simple,'

    I think he meant to say 'simply awful'.

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  7. Re:Like Apple? by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Open letter to M$... It's clear you're trying to copy Apple's success in the tablet/smartphone world by creating so-called unified interface for both them and desktops. But if Apple is such a clear leader and their vision for the future is so good, then why doesn't OSX look like iOS?

  8. Am I the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who doesnt want to put fingerprints all over my freaking monitor?

  9. Re:Like Apple? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why did it turn out just to be "lucky" for Apple?

    Lucky because Apple HR got the right "Steve" and Microsoft pickup up the wrong one. 50:50 chance.

    A near thing, you realize.

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  10. Re:Like Apple? by doti · · Score: 4, Informative

    apple borrowed from bsd, not linux

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  11. Re:Like Apple? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also attributing it to luck doesn't really make sense since Apple had been planning the device for years, and only released it when the components had become cheap enough to sell the device at what they believed to be a reasonable price point. Also, cheaper components and better touch screens are insufficient to explain where the iPhone came from. Why is it that Apple was first to market with a device like the iPhone, and it took other manufacturers years to catch up?

    The iPhone was not obvious. When it was first demoed, people responded in one of two ways: (a) "Holy shit, that's some amazing sci-fi tech right there and I want one,"; and (b) "No physical keyboard, less Exchange support than a Blackberry. Lame."

  12. Re:Like Apple? by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple borrowing from BSD was a brilliant move. OS9 (the predecessor to OSX) was absolutely horrible. Slow, prone to crashing, and it ran on PowerPC chips that were far slower than Intel chips. When Apple brought Jobs back it was partly because of the operating system that NeXT had developed that was based on BSD. It evolved into what is now OSX.

    Apple did not invent BSD or Linux or UNIX but what they did do was take a very stable, open source, version of UNIX (BSD) and put a beautifully appealing graphical front end on it (AQUA). I would argue that OSX is the most user friendly version of any UNIX or Linux based kernel. It's very stable, it's easy to use and it looks nice. I would bet that a lot of Mac users don't even know, or care, that it's based on UNIX. They just know that it works and is enjoyable to use.

    Apple hasn't invented a lot of things but they have taken what others have done and made it better. That's innovation. In the same way that Android looks and works very much like IOS. In the same way that nearly every modern smartphone uses a touch interface. Apple didn't invent the touch interface either, they just perfected it. Some people think that Microsoft "stole" the GUI from Apple, who in turn "stole" it from XEROX. Who knows?

    In my view, none of that stuff is stealing. It's simply the industry realizing that there is a better way to do things and then everyone embraces it. Balmer and Gates have seen the writing on the wall. PC sales are down drastically. For many people, particularly in developing countries, a smartphone is their first and only internet enabled device. That's where the growth is. So Windows is going to have to evolve if it wants to stay relevant in the consumer space. Time will tell how successful it is.