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Would You Put a Tracking Device On Your Child?

Hugh Pickens writes "In 2007 businessman Russell Thornton lost his 3-year-old son at an amusement park. After a frantic 45-minute search, Thornton found the boy hiding in a play structure, but he was traumatized by the incident. It spurred him to build a device that would help other parents avoid that fate. Even though most statistics show that rates of violent crime against children have declined significantly over the last few decades, and that abductions are extremely rare, KJ Dell'Antonia writes that with the array of new gadgetry like Amber Alert and the Securus eZoom our children need never experience the fears that come with momentary separations, or the satisfaction of weathering them. 'You could argue that those of us who survived our childhoods of being occasionally lost, then found, are in the position of those who think car seats are overkill because they suffered no injury while bouncing around in the back of their uncle's pickup,' writes Dell'Antonia. 'Wouldn't a more powerful sense of security come from knowing your children were capable, and trusting in their ability to reach out for help at the moment when they realize they're not?'"

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  1. A device that helps find lost kids by Hentes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean like, I don't know, a phone?

    1. Re:A device that helps find lost kids by mellon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It would be essentially a phone, only with no ability to place calls—just data+GPS.

      I don't really see why this is remotely controversial. The point at which the kid starts to think about disabling it is the same point at which the kid is probably capable of making rational decisions. A three-year-old is not yet capable of doing that, and having a device like this would be a major anxiety-reducer for parents. It's not likely to make the kid hugely safer, but who cares?

    2. Re:A device that helps find lost kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why you imbed the device into his skin, cover it up with a cheezy tatoo and call it a day. Yeah my toddler has an anchor tattoo, big whoop.

    3. Re:A device that helps find lost kids by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One a 3-year old can use?

      My friend's 2 year old can pick up his BlackBerry Playbook, turn it on, find the application she wants, launch it, and play with it. No issues whatsoever.

      She doesn't yet understand the concept of a phone call I don't think, but I should think at this rate she'll have a pretty good grasp of that before long.

      I mostly just stand there shaking my head that she can navigate it so easy, since when we were kids we had absolutely nothing of the sort. Kids are just exposed to this a lot earlier now. Hell, I was a whole lot older than she when we got Pong for crying out loud.

      I'm pretty sure the average 2-4 year old can do stuff that 10 years ago I couldn't have even explained the concept to my mother, let alone how to use it.

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  2. always with the children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    everything controversial can be made acceptable by saying it will protect the children. Well you know what? fuck the children, we dont need any more of them, and who cares if we lose a couple a year? thins out the population.

  3. Re:Just buy them an iPhone with a strap by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's really simple. I expect my kid will actually want a phone. Leaving location services on is a condition of getting to keep the phone. If I ever check on him and find it is disabled, or is reporting him to be somewhere he is not, then he loses the phone.

  4. No I would not. by santax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The risk isn't worth the lost of privacy. If we teach our kids it's ok to be tracked anytime and always, it won't be long until all the kids wear government mandated trackingdevices. Which they get to keep to wear when they grown into adults. So no. It's not worth it, the risk is so small, don't do it. Keep an eye on your kids, make sure your kids know when to kick, bite and scream, but don't go tracking them with hardware. It's stupid.

  5. Some separation is good by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kids need to learn how to function without relying on parents, and if you do things right it will help dramatically when your kid is now 18 and headed to some faraway place for college. While 3 is probably a bit too young, by about 8 or 9 the child should be able to go places on their own. And a kid who is never ever lost when he's between 3 and 6 years old is a kid that is probably being watched too closely.

    The secret is to do so in stages. For example, my folks wanted me to get used to traveling without their help: At 3, they were still taking me most everywhere. At 6, I was now responsible for walking to school with an older neighbor's kid. By the next year, I didn't have to stick with the neighbor's kid anymore. In theory, something really bad could have happened to me, but the only real challenge came from traffic, not crime.

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  6. Re:Who, exactly, was traumatized? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a new father myself (one who was once a kid...), I suspect that you're reading it right and that's what's intended. Children running off to play in places unknown can be very traumatic for parents, and fun for children.

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  7. Re:I have one on him by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right, and because they know about it - they can give their phone to a schoolmate who plans on going to school, while they head off to the local crack den.

    You aren't describing a problem that technology can fix.

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  8. my 2 cents by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think one of the reasons there's an obesity epidemic in the U.S., particularly in children, is because parents are scared sh*tless to let their kids outside or out of their yards for fear that something bad would happen to them. So they end up staying home and watching TV or playing video games...leading a sedentary lifestyle and eating. It was quite a bit different many decades ago when I was a kid. So I think that having a way to track your kid isn't a bad thing if it will give parents peace of mind and allow kids to ride bikes and exercise more, the way dinosaurs like me did when we were kids.

  9. A bit of a stretch. by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

    'Wouldn't a more powerful sense of security come from knowing your children were capable, and trusting in their ability to reach out for help at the moment when they realize they're not?'"

    Sure, when they're 16 years old. Throw a four-year-old out in the middle of a large crowd of unfamiliar people and rational thought is the last thing you can expect. That's why it takes a rational adult to calm them down and ask "Are you lost?"

    I wish I could be that parent that never loses their child, but I'm a realist and accept that it can happen, so these tracking devices sound appealing to me for use on very young children who are as of yet incapable of rational, level-headed responses to scary situations like getting lost in a shopping mall.

    I wouldn't stick it on my 16-year-old's pants when he or she starts driving. That's a different situation involving a (hopefully) much more mature and logical person. Not to mention I probably don't want to know where those pants are at certain moments. ("GPS Location Update: on the floor at boyfriend's house")

  10. I have. by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the olden days, when my kid was very small and most phones didn't have GPS, she carried one of those mountaineer walkie-talkies with GPS when we were on vacation. She had fun playing with it and it helped guarantee that we could find her when she got lost in a crowd. Later when she got better at identifying her position, she carried a smaller walkie-talkie strapped to her wrist. (The first day she wore it, she wandered off during a parade and got separated from us. She called and said she was by "the big lemon" -- a lemonaid cart a few blocks away.)

    Later, she carried a smartphone with GPS turned on. I periodically looked her up in Latitude, called her when her position was not where I expected. I did this because she traveled a lot between 12 and 18, to tutors, night classes, and various school functions.

    Now she's 18, has her own car, and the GPS in her Bionic is routinely turned off, because, apparently, it's no longer my business to know where she is. I have learned to accept this. She will turn on the GPS if she gets lost or has an equipment failure, and I can then pinpoint her position and send help or go myself.

    Regarding having the satisfaction of getting un-lost yourself, there is truth to that. At six or seven, she was quite proud of the fact that she was able to identify her position (the big lemon) well enough for us to reconnect with her. (That may not be the best example.) She liked knowing where *I* was (I keep gps on all the time) through Latitude, and enjoyed using this knowledge to find me. More recently, she called me, said she was lost trying to drive to a friend's house, was very frustrated, and wanted me to go get her. As it was 11:00 PM on a work night, I was reluctant to do this, as she had gas and wasn't in danger. She figured it out on her own and was quite proud of herself afterwards. (The solution, by the way, was quite clever: The problem was a hiccup in Google Maps, which steered her to the wrong place when she entered a certain address. She tried an address close to her goal, and that worked well enough to find her goal.)

    So yeah, I recognized very early on that my daughter doesn't have the instinct to cling to a parent, and as a result, we were early adopters of technological solutions, upgrading as new solutions became available. These days it's hard to find a phone that *doesn't* have GPS. Parenthetically, I'm all for giving a kid a cell phone (one of the cheap ones) at an early age. For her to be able to contact me in emergencies trumps other considerations.

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  11. Re:South Park did it first! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have tracking devices on my children.

    The device is made by Apple.

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  12. Nothing new here. by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to work for the company (Zoombak) Securus acquired. During testing of our device (originally, designed for medium/large dogs), I had my son (who has ADHD) wear our device while on a Scout trip to the middle of a large National park. The device communicated via SMS over T-Mobile's network. It worked well and I knew his location throughout the entire trip.

    When the economy turned, people began using the devices not for tracking their pets, but other people (usually, spouses, girlfriends, etc) without their knowledge. (We used to laugh at some of the names users gave their devices). Some used the device to stalk and kill their intended victims. That's the down-side to their use.

    The primary difference I see in their new device is the one feature we wanted to see added to ours - that is a button to send an alert. They also improved the ability to obtain a location even when a GPS signal could not be obtained. Given the recent events where kids have been abducted and killed - the moment that somebody realized there was a problem, their location could be ascertained. Hypothetically, if the girls had these devices, they might still be alive today.

    If you have been to a large amusement part and lost sight of your child, being able to pull out your smartphone and find your kid is a blessing.

    It's good to see they are getting some good press on this.

  13. Re:I have one on him by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right, and because they know about it - they can give their phone to a schoolmate who plans on going to school, while they head off to the local crack den.

    You aren't describing a problem that technology can fix.

    Exactly. But this is a problem that proper parenting can fix. My daughter is 13. I can track her phone. I also know her bank password and can see the transactions on her debit card. Nearly every weekend she goes to her BFF's house to "study", but the two of them really go hang out at the mall (according to both the phone and the bank transactions).

    Here is what I have done about the situation: nothing. Lying and deceiving your parents is a normal part of growing up, and the point of spying on your kids is not to prevent them from being normal, but to protect them from real dangers. If you use your spying to keep your kid from occasionally skipping a class, then you will not be able to protect them from the crack dealers.

    Trust you kids. Let them do stupid stuff, make mistakes, and grow up. Only intervene when they make the big mistakes.

  14. Track the Parents by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Funny

    The tracker needs to go on mom and dad. Ask any 3 year old and they'll tell you "I never get lost but mom and dad get lost sometimes and they freak out when they do"

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  15. What are parents so paranoid? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Geez....

    I was actually talking to my Mom the other day...laughing about when I was about 2-3yrs..I wandered off from her, and got lost in the dept store...and they had to call over the intercom for her to get me.

    She said I never would wander off after that, and if I acted bad, she would tell me she was leaving..and I'd cry and promise to act right..etc.

    But, not long after that, I'd guess when I was about 1st grade...when we'd go to the mall, she'd leave me in the toy section or the book section and I'd be happy there till she was done. A couple years later, she'd let me wander the mall to look at the book stores, etc......

    I can't believe things are that much more dangerous now, are there? I often wonder, instead of more 'craziees' out there...if it is just more sensationally reported due to needing to fill up 24/7 news?

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    1. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually violence against children has been going down for a long time now. But the 24-hour news cycle has made abductions and other horrors seem like a common thing. You're a helluva lot safer as a kid alone in the mall today that you were 20-40 years ago.

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    2. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, things are not more dangerous. Today, kids are statistically safer than they were in the 60's.. But, we now have 24-hour news that needs to fill time... Lookup the book "Free Range Kids".. You are 20 times more likely to kill your own child while driving, than to have a stranger take off with them. Yet parents still, every day, pile little junior into the SUV to drive 1 mile to school.. (placing a child in a car is the single worst thing you can ever do for their safety, apparently)

      The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children flat out says "stranger danger" is wrong, and very dangerous to teach kids: http://us.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/NewsEventServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2034

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    3. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by HaZardman27 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's what I'm constantly telling people who talk about "how when they were kids they could play in the street without worry." People tend to believe sensationalized media over sound reason and logic, even when you show them crime rate statistics for the last 50 years and show how much higher a risk they were at when THEY were a kid.

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    4. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by yurtinus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously, I still do that when my mom heads out of town. Who else is gonna bring a new bag of cheetos down into the basement!?

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    5. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by wumingzi · · Score: 4, Informative

      THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

      If I had mod points I'd mod you up...

      Here's how it breaks down (courtesy of National Center for Missing and Exploited Children)

      About 800,000 kids go missing each year.
      The vast majority of those are either family abductions (200,000/year), younger girls running off with older and bolder men, younger boys running off with older and bolder women, disgruntled teenagers who hitch a bus to Seattle to start a band and get real big, or whatever disgruntled teenagers do these days.

      Number of honest-to-god stranger abductions? 115 last year. In a country of 300 million people.

      I'm not quite sure, but I think your chances of running into an honest-to-God flying saucer are better than that.

    6. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by isorox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually violence against children has been going down for a long time now. But the 24-hour news cycle has made abductions and other horrors seem like a common thing. You're a helluva lot safer as a kid alone in the mall today that you were 20-40 years ago.

      Now then now then now then, kids in those days listened to showaddywaddy and have Jim fix it for them.

    7. Re:What are parents so paranoid? by rkww · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've been doing much the same with my son, who's now 13. From when he was three or so, we'd play 'if you were lost, what would you do' games in stores and shopping streets (in a shop, ask somebody at the till for help; in the street, go into a store); and I had him learn my mobile phone number; and we'd happily leave him to read books and magazines while we did our shopping. He timed out a few times and asked a shop assistant to call us on the intercom and we'd reassure him he'd done the right thing. The aim was to get him thinking 'oh bother, I'm lost /again/'.

      When he was eight he moved to Denmark with his mum and they'd get a train each day - but his school was at an earlier stop than her office so he'd get off and walk the last half-mile or so on his own. A few weeks after he arrived there (and speaking no Danish), he got an earlier train back and she wasn't on it. So he got off at the right stop, went to a tourist bureau where he'd been before, and had them phone me in England on my mobile number. He was eight, and on his own in a foreign city - but not, technically, lost. Since then I've not really been too bothered about his finding his way about.

      He's now back in England and quite happy to take trains and buses on his own which, of course, is how it should be.

  16. Re:Just buy them an iPhone with a strap by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Leaving location services on is a condition of getting to keep the phone.

    Makes all kinds of logical sense until:

    *) Sorry Dad, I forgot it in (locker, backpack, Jim's Mom's car)
    *) Sorry Dad, I didn't have time to charge the battery this morning
    *) Sorry Dad, the battery died right after school
    *) Sorry Dad, Mary borrowed it to call her mom and she left with it
    *) Sorry Dad, the teacher made us turn them off. I forgot to turn it on.
    *) Sorry Dad, we're on Sprint, remember? I only have one bar unless I'm under the tower in Tokyo.

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  17. Re:Just buy them an iPhone with a strap by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you underestimate the number of parents who see that as a win-win situation.

  18. Re:I have one on him by Gaygirlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nearly every weekend she goes to her BFF's house to "study", but the two of them really go hang out at the mall (according to both the phone and the bank transactions). Here is what I have done about the situation: nothing. Lying and deceiving your parents is a normal part of growing up, and the point of spying on your kids is not to prevent them from being normal, but to protect them from real dangers.

    Hm. Personally I would rather catch the child from lying and then have a chat about lying and why she feels she needs to lie to me in the first place. I mean, I wouldn't be angry about the occasional skipping of class or hanging out with friends, that's all normal stuff, but never confronting her lying is just gonna raise some serious issues later in her life. If you can solve the issue in a way that the child doesn't any longer feel the need to lie to you you're BOTH better off than before, plus you've just taught the kid a valuable lesson.