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Does Coding Style Matter?

theodp writes "Over at Smashing Magazine, Nicholas C. Zakas makes the case for Why Coding Style Matters. 'Coding style guides are an important part of writing code as a professional,' Zakas concludes. 'Whether you're writing JavaScript or CSS or any other language, deciding how your code should look is an important part of overall code quality. If you don't already have a style guide for your team or project, it's worth the time to start one.' So, how are coding style guidelines working (or not) in your world?"

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  1. It's easy with an IDE by tirerim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At my workplace, we just all plug the same code style settings into our IDEs, and everyone's code gets formatted the same way automatically. And yes, it matters: having everyone's code formatted the same way makes it much easier to read.

    1. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... and it makes version control diffs shorter and to the point.

    2. Re:It's easy with an IDE by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... and it makes version control diffs shorter and to the point.

      ...and makes global search and replace easier, because you can more often use plain strings, rather than having to construct a regex.

    3. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Derekloffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would say, white space rules are definitely important, but not the only style stuff that may be important. Standard variable naming conventions can also greatly help, as can keeping certain common code structure being all done in the same manner. Both of these can make it much easier to find things. The question is where is the point where standard style starts to become more an exercise in keeping to the style rather than getting the work done.

    4. Re:It's easy with an IDE by StormReaver · · Score: 2

      That's along the lines what I was thinking (but not exactly). A good IDE makes coding styles far less important than they use to be. I can load someone's horrendous looking K&R styled code, hit the "reformat" keyboard shortcut, and have readable code as a result.

      Coding style only matters if you're not using a decent IDE.

    5. Re:It's easy with an IDE by sribe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like pandering to the lowest-common denominator.
      Why don't you switch to programming in VB while you're at it?

      Bullshit. If I want to search for every time that a certain condition is evaluated, I should be able to search for "if (foo.bar ==", not "if\s*\(\s*foo\.bar\s*=="

      Wait? Is that even right? Can = be used without escaping when it is outside of a capture or a positional assertion???

    6. Re:It's easy with an IDE by robthebloke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why don't you try managing a large scale programming project with hundreds of developers, rather than 2 or 3? A large project has developers of all abilities, from recent grads, all the way up to seasoned pro's. In that enviornment, pandering to lowest common denominator is a good thing. For example, a coding convention that bans complicated C++ meta-template programming techniques, helps to extract the maximum from recent grads, by making sure they don't have to read 'Modern C++ Design' cover to cover 7 times before making their first commit (and that also applies to R&D folks who have PHd's in maths/physics, yet would struggle to write their own linked list template). Remove variation in programming style from the equation, and large projects suddenly start moving forward at a much faster pace. You can argue against that if you want, it just marks you out as a terrible team member, and a terribly inexperienced software developer. My 2 cents.....

    7. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's silly. You let the experts in your team write the "complicated C++ meta-template programming techniques" and the mediocre programmers use them. That's the point of C++-templating: Make it easy for the users of the code. It's incredible what kind of extremely convenient libraries can be written by template wizards.

      Gladly the next standard will also make it easier to write, see "static_if" proposal.

    8. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having a consistent style means that you don't end up in the situation we are, where we have several patches that are probably a days work to merge with the main line, not because our patches are large, but because some bonehead decided it would be good to run an automated code reformatter on his source tree.

      This not only reformatted everything to a style that no-one else on the project uses, but re-sorted all the fields and methods in the source files affected. This made everyone elses copy of the source conflict violently with essentially every change made in the reformatted files, giving everyone else the headache of re-implementing their patches.

      Peoples edits continue to make the format of these files a mess because they are indented in a way that's inconsistent with the source.

      Alas, we can't undo these patches because the bonehead is the lead developer. But catering to prima-donnas means more work for everyone else.

    9. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Emetophobe · · Score: 2

      Eclipse can do it. You can setup a formatting style and then have it auto-format on save or do it manually with Ctrl+Shift+F.

      Here's a screenshoft.

    10. Re:It's easy with an IDE by WaywardGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It all comes down from the guy in charge. I've set the coding style at two of the last three companies I've worked for, and while new guys may not like it, it does promote effective teamwork. It's a lot more than just indentation. We use the same data structure styles, iterator styles, and everything from start to finish. It can be very difficult to determine who wrote any given piece of code, and a git-blame shows that it's a patchwork quilt with everyone contributing all over the place.

      The guy who I will say is now the lead developer of our main software suite writes code that looks exactly like mine. We've even on occasion wrote entire functions, in the same place, which were identical down to the last character, even in the obligatory comment. No git conflict in that case. At the other company, there literally were no coding style guidelines, and the result is no one was able or willing to easily edit anyone else's code. That makes it very difficult to move people around to projects that need them most.

      There are a ton of developers out there who are loners. It's a field that attracts geeks who are somewhat social-phobic. I've never seen programmers voluntarily adopt a common coding style. It's more fun to fiddle around on your own. So, instead of working together as a team to solve real problems rapidly, individual programmers go off in different directions, learning more about different ways to write code than actually writing code.

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    11. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      .. and then you commit your changes and everyone wants to kill you. You just broke all their patches.

      There have been various proposals for an IDE that stores the sources as a raw format that has no formatting, and you apply the formatting in the view, but they obviously have the disadvantage of not working with a plain text editor, needing a special IDE, probably a special version control system as well.

    12. Re:It's easy with an IDE by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Coding style has one function and one function only: To keep the Aspergers productive. For normally functioning people, any coding style is as good as any other (in other words anything that isn't a mess), but for Aspergers it is important it is consistant and strictly enforced, otherwise they will complain loudly and start arguing over which style is better (as evidence I present every thread in this story).

      After enforcing strict coding style only one more thing is important to keep the Aspergers productive: Never mention or talk about coding style, and forbid anybody from ever bringing it up. If it is brought up, nothing will get done that day.

    13. Re:It's easy with an IDE by stanlyb · · Score: 2

      I have seen it how it works. At the end, no one but the author of all these templates knows what the code is doing, how to use it, and how not to use it. So go ahead, if you wanna to have unmaintainable code, use as much "templates" as possible.

    14. Re:It's easy with an IDE by stanlyb · · Score: 2

      I am usually the guy with his own coding style, but after witnessing some code without any code styling at all, man, now i am just happy to have one standard for everyone, even if it says "use tabs, not spaces" :)
      And btw, only idiot would use tabs instead of spaces, 3 spaces actually :P

    15. Re:It's easy with an IDE by robthebloke · · Score: 2
      Once again..... Try managing a large scale project of a few hundred developers, rather than 2 or 3.

      You let the experts in your team write the "complicated C++ meta-template programming techniques"

      No, No, and No again! What you are suggesting is nothing more than compartmentalising a team such that programmer A owns that bit of code, and programmer B owns that bit of code. It's nothing more than an artifical barrier for less experienced members of the team, designed to prevent them making small commits to address any bugs they may find. It makes it much harder to distribute the workload evenly between team members, and ensures that the senior devs spend all day programming, rather than spending time advising and guiding the junior team members.

      That's the point of C++-templating: Make it easy for the users of the code.

      There is a big difference between programming with templates (e.g. using a container, or templated method), and meta-template programming (e.g. using TypeLists et-al, as a form of functional programing, but with a syntax that is far harder to understand & maintain than say, haskell).

      C++ templates make life easier for the users of the code, if and only if, it is 100% bug free, and 100% feature complete. If there are bugs, junior devs may be the ones who end up having to debug it. I'd rather they were able to fix the problem themselves, rather than having to utilise a senior devs time (who may be involved in more important things, which may cause a delay in getting the bug fixed). Now you may say "Ahh, well, you should be writing unit tests! Bad developer!". I'd counter that by saying that time constraints often get in the way of unit tests, and on occasion you will encounter bugs which you'd never have been able to foresee (which makes writing a unit test beforehand very difficult indeed). More often than not, this is usually the result of a new feature being added to the template, which has some subtle side effects to other aspects of it's usage, and the origal tests haven't been expanded accordingly.

  2. Er by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course coding style fucking matters. Code's generally going to be part of a much larger product that existed long before you joined a company and will continue to exist long after. You don't want the codebase turned into some sort of elaborate puzzle with 200 different methods of laying out code contained within. Uniformity makes maintenance much easier.

    1. Re:Er by udachny · · Score: 2

      coding style fucking

      - I am aware of different styles of fucking, but this new 'coding style fucking' intrigues me. So you are coding and she is .... trying to distract you from it with your 'fucking implement'? Or is it about maintaining proper indentation at every point of the fucking perimeter? Do expand on this theme.

    2. Re:Er by Your.Master · · Score: 2

      You're stuck on the idea that coding style is just whitespace. There is not, and cannot be, a text format utility that unifies coding styles.

      Moreover if you read the article, one thing a coding style could help to catch is a missed break in a switch statement. It would be wrong to automatically add a break (because it might be intended to fall through), or a fall through comment (it might be intended to break). That's a layer of defense that doesn't exist if you don't have all your code (or at least, all your new code) follow the standard of adding fall through comments, because otherwise the absence is not notable.

      You don't need to reformat 3rd party source code, you just need to have a style in your code and understand the API surface of 3rd party code.

  3. Kinda Subjective but... by Onuma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always preferred to use tabs over spaces for indentation, 2 breaks in between major sections or functions, and clearly named vars or functions. The kind of code most people can drop into and say "Oh, I see where this is going" and immediately begin to understand and therefore modify.

    I can't stand opening up any type of code, even web pages, and finding ugly difficult-to-follow lines which seemingly make no sense. Then again, it's all a matter of preference and perspective, isn't it?

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    1. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Out of curiosity, why do you prefer tabs? Seems like unless everyone has the same tab size set, it can make the code more difficult to read than spaces.

      Further, most IDEs and text editors have "smart tabs", allowing the simplicity of working with tabs even though you're using spaces.

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    2. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I use tabs because anyone can set the width to whatever they like (2, 4 or 8 spaces usually).

    3. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tabs indent, spaces align. Your code should look equally good no matter whether tabstop is three characters or eight.

    4. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Out of curiosity, why do you prefer tabs? Seems like unless everyone has the same tab size set, it can make the code more difficult to read than spaces.

      For the same reason why CSS was invented to style HTML. Tabs are entirely font-agnostic and they are semantic. Spaces are not, and are directly visual.

      There are people who like two characters of indentation and there are those who like eight. Some like six! There are people who like proportional fonts for coding. There are people who like special narrow monospaced pixel fonts. Even Consolas on Windows, a very popular coding font, is narrower than the standard monospaced width, so code is less indented with Consolas than Courier.

      Tabs are also easier on the eyes if you have "show special characters" turned on in your IDE. Also, tabs are easier to work with if you ever need to run some regex on your code.

      There are no benefits whatsoever to using spaces, only downsides.

    5. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      For the same reason why CSS was invented to style HTML. Tabs are entirely font-agnostic and they are semantic. Spaces are not, and are directly visual.

      We're talking about code here. Is anyone using anything but a monospaced font when viewing it?

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    6. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Tabs indent, spaces align. I do this with my own code too. When I use different editors with different tab settings, I often don't even change the tab setting, my code still aligns nicely, just bigger indent. And this is from someone how loves to align things, even inserting spaces or changing variable names to get all "=" nicely linked up in variable initialisations.
      Even when I break lines (on my small netbook screen), use the appropriate number of tabs to match the indent, then align the
      rest with spaces, and everything behaves as it should when the tab size changes.

      Following coding styles is good, especially when working on something with other people, but tabs-size should _not_ be part of the standard at all ! everyone can set the tab size to whatever they like.

    7. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 2

      We're talking about code here. Is anyone using anything but a monospaced font when viewing it?

      Yes, plenty of people. I was using a proportional font for a while when I had a low-res monitor and needed more stuff on the screen. I have two coworkers using proportional fonts right now.

      What is readable to one person might very well not be readable to someone else. That is why some people like their code on black backgrounds and some will get severe eye strain if they look at white-on-black for a couple of minutes.

      Nevertheless, see the post above about monospaced fonts wildly differing in character width.

    8. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Teckla · · Score: 3, Informative

      I use tabs because anyone can set the width to whatever they like (2, 4 or 8 spaces usually).

      There still exists a lot of tools that assume tab stops are 8, without the ability to change them. Some people use those tools by choice, some people use those tools by mandate.

    9. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      a tab is a tab. It is not 8 spaces. It might be the same width as 8 spaces, but that is because your editor displays a tab as that width. Most editors allow you to change it.

      If your code style calls for tabs, do not insert 8 spaces instead of a tab. it's annoying, and you break the tab settings everyone chose for themselves.

    10. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Yes, plenty of people. I was using a proportional font for a while when I had a low-res monitor and needed more stuff on the screen. I have two coworkers using proportional fonts right now.

      I havrn't seen this first-hand, so thank you for the information.

      (I'm not being snarky - and on Slashdot I do feel the need to say that!)

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    11. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And when you use tabs, it doesn't matter what tab size they assume. That is the point. Proper use of tabs means you use tabs to indent to the block level and spaces for further indentation, like so:

      {
      <-tab->a = long expression
      <-tab->____continued;
      }

      ...where underscores are spaces, because Slashdot messes with spaces, even in <code> sections.

    12. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by slashping · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, most editors allow you to change, but I also use command line tools like grep, less, or diff, and they just send the tabs to the terminal which interprets them the standard way with a spacing of 8. Sure, I can set my terminal to change the tab width, but if I then grep some other sources, such as the Linux kernel tree, in the same terminal window, it gets messed up again. The solution is obvious and simple. Just leave the tab width at 8, and everything works fine, even it uses a mix of tabs and spaces for formatting.

    13. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's the funny thing, and I'm honestly not joking: one of these guys is using Comic Sans as his coding font, as he's dyslexic and it helps him. The other is using Tahoma, because it's very narrow.

      Visual preferences vary. That is why we are able to set our own fonts and colours in our IDEs. It is strictly a personal thing. I'm a black-on-white guy, but the Tahoma guy from above is using the old Borland nineties colour scheme, yellow-on-blue. Strangely enough, I "grew up" on those same colours, and since switching to LCD monitors, I can't stand it any longer. No idea why...

    14. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      Some people don't even use a font- I work with a blind programmer. He uses a screen reader.

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    15. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by DrMcCoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, this just means you (and/or the people you work with) are using tabs in the wrong way.
      Tabs for indenting, spaces for alignment. Makes sense logically too, because those two functions are fundamentally different.

      I.e. it should be:

      <TAB>int_a;________//_Hello
      <TAB>int_whatever;_//_Yeah

      Where <TAB> is a tab and _ is a space.

      Works beautifully. Think, people!

    16. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      man expand

      read it.

      And your post is exactly why people standardize on spaces. Because some people think they can insert a bunch of spaces instead of a tab, breaking everyones formatting, making diffs a huge mess and putting your whitespace changes in the commit log. Tab is not space.

      A space is ascii # 32
      A tab is ascii # 9

      stop mixing them.

    17. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by icebraining · · Score: 5, Informative

      one of these guys is using Comic Sans as his coding font, as he's dyslexic and it helps him

      Has he looked into fonts designed to help dyslexics, like Gill Dyslexic and Open-Dyslexic?

    18. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by rgbrenner · · Score: 3, Informative

      no, it's you who broke the formatting by mixing whitespace characters.

      and you don't want to type "| expand -t4", so you're going to make a mess of the commit log, make diff a mess, and force everyone else to run everything through indent.

      It's sloppy and inconsistent.. and you're making it harder for everyone else on your team because of your laziness.

    19. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by rgbrenner · · Score: 2

      Ok... I've figured out the problem: you have no idea what you're talking about; do not understand the differences between whitespace characters; and/or don't understand the settings of your own editor.

      There is a difference between setting "replace tabs with X spaces", and "display tabs as X spaces"

    20. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Teckla · · Score: 2

      And when you use tabs, it doesn't matter what tab size they assume. That is the point. Proper use of tabs means you use tabs to indent to the block level and spaces for further indentation, like so: { <-tab->a = long expression <-tab->____continued; }

      ...where underscores are spaces, because Slashdot messes with spaces, even in <code> sections.

      It does matter, because some tools that are hard coded to 8 space tabs make things hard to read, like side by side diffs.

      Also, I have used editors, like the AS/400 editor SEU, which displays a single inverse block character for tabs. It was pretty much impossible for me to maintain that code until I converted the project from tabs to spaces.

    21. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 2

      Are there really people who get their jollies by changing the tab value to make code look different on their screens

      Yes.

      And why should anybody pander to your bizarre fetish?

      Use Unix "unexpand" and shove in tabs everywhere you want. Whack off while changing the indents; I don't care. But for the source code I have to deal with, why must I try to figure out what particular tab setting made you orgasm?

      If you are truly obsessed with a 7-space indent, then go ahead and use that but don't make me have to try to guess it.

    22. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by robthebloke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, you're just being obtuse. If I developed with a tab spacing of 4, and I allow a maximum page width of 120 characters, what happens other people view my code with a tab spacing to 8? Chunks of code extend beyond the maximum page width, and it simply looks like an unreadable mess. Using spaces is the only way to be absolutely certain of how your code looks when viewed by other people.

    23. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by DrMcCoy · · Score: 2

      So because apparently some people will inevitable do it wrongly, it's best to just not do it at all? I find this idea completely and utterly weird.
      Everybody will spell things wrongly every now and then, so just ban coherent spelling altogether? Some people will use this interface in the wrong way, so just throw out the whole shebang?

      I'm feeling reminded by the Hitchhiker quote about how coming down from the trees was a mistake.

    24. Re:Kinda Subjective but... by bertok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously, what the fuck are you doing that depends on the exact way that tabs are displayed by other people!? Why would it possibly be that important? Just how fragile is your workflow that it's broken by someone else's display metrics?

      Maybe you need to take a long hard look at your toolchain, then throw it outside in a heap and set fire to it.

      I've been using whitespace-insensitive diff and merge tools since the 90s, and I reformatters since 2001 to solve even the largest formatting inconsistencies. There is never a reason for any programming task to be "broken" by the use of tabs, spaces, or any combination with any configuration. The tools to fix any conceivable problem have been around for over a decade.

      If you're finding you're writing regular expressions looking for a specific number of space-equivalents made up from tab characters, just stop. Re-think your career in programming, and considering going into the secretaries typing pool. You'd fit right in, because many of them also still haven't figured out that a tab is not the same thing as 'n spaces'.

      Next, you'll be complaining that people are putting spaces in their file names...

  4. Learn one word by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Learn one word: consistency.

    Be consistent from one piece of code to the next, from one project to the next. Be consistent about your design ideas, be consistent in your thinking. It's going to help you and anybody else working on the same stuff.

    Everything else is sugar.

  5. Re:Let people code how they like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note to self, don't hire this one.

    The reason we enforce code style is the same that we enforce requirements traceability. We must have maintainable, auditable code. If we were writing throwaway scripts to delete old comments on a website, perhaps that would be okay. However, when we're writing production code that needs to work and be maintained, code style is very important. Yes, we audit code. Yes, it works. We have yet to have gotten hit with a real-world exploit, critical bug or unexpected behavior from garbled input.

    Is writing code this way slower and more expensive? Hell yes, if you believe that SLOC is a good measure of success. However, we care about lifecycle cost, and our approach is working very well. And, it's easy to take a month of vacation when you know your code's good enough that nobody will call and ask about it.

  6. Style has always mattered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mine is best, yours sucks to the extent that it isn't mine and most editor/IDE authors are too lazy to make mediating style a critical feature; but they seem to be slowly getting there. Now get those goddam spaces out of my indents so I don't have to get carpal tunnel, or else make me an editor smart enough to automaticly import them as tabs and export them as spaces so that we can just. stop. talking. about it.

  7. Code style, not formatting style by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't really care how you *format* your code. Do you put the brackets on the same line as the beginning statement? Do you put a space between the function name and parentheses? Do you double-space your code? I don't give a fuck. That's all syntax. It's easy to figure out.

    Coding style is more important to me, how the actual *code* works. Do you initialize your variables as soon as possible? Do you properly use for loops and while loops? If you use recursion, does it make sense? Do you give your variables meaningful names like $activityType, or useless ones like $_a? How do you decide when to break something out into a function?

    I work on a project with several other people. We all have our unique styles, both for format and for code. I, for instance, have been told I code with a "LISP accent", rarely storing the return values of a function in a variable, rather using the return value as an argument to another function. Another puts a blank line between nearly any two statements. Another assiduously follows some code formatting standard nobody else in the company has read.

    Although it can make it harder to work on each other's code, it has one benefit - you can easily tell who wrote the code. "Putting the braces on a new line? This must be Pete's code!" or "There's an underscore at the front of every variable name? This must be Jimmy's code!" or "There's a for loop that starts ''for (;;){''? This must be Kevin's code!".

    And if I do go in to "someone else's code" and change or fix things, I follow their style, more or less. Unless I'm completely rewriting a section, or making enough of a change that it should be considered a rewrite.

    1. Re:Code style, not formatting style by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      I like you. There are style things that are important, but it's not how the code is laid out in the editor. Concentrate on the important things, not the things everyone has to deal with.

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    2. Re:Code style, not formatting style by gman003 · · Score: 2

      Well, there's the full SVN history if we want to be sure, and some comments get tagged with an initial (eg. /* @@@@K: this will break if we ever get over 4 million users */ for Kevin saying that we might want to make that a 64-bit int, not 32-bit, at some point). And we use Javadoc (or similar) whenever possible, so we know who's worked on a file.

      The code formatting is more of making it *convenient* to know, intuitively, who wrote the code. I can even tell whether it was 2011 Kevin or 2012 Kevin writing the code, because by 2012 Kevin had finally gotten used to the weirder functions of the framework, using the active record classes instead of hand-written SQL.

    3. Re:Code style, not formatting style by dfghjk · · Score: 2

      "Although it can make it harder to work on each other's code, it has one benefit - you can easily tell who wrote the code."

      and that's SO worth the price of admission since it's so hard to achieve that otherwise.

      "And if I do go in to "someone else's code" and change or fix things, I follow their style, more or less."

      Which really helps everyone tell who wrote the code. ;)

      It's amazing how hard people are trying to justify their own prejudices here.

  8. Re:Let people code how they like by Misagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Coding style is not just be about making code look pretty (according to someone's personal definition of pretty). The purpose of a coding standard is to make the code more readable and thus, more understandable. Having the code look consistent helps in that regard.
    Most of the time as a programmer is not spent on producing code but on skimming through other people's code and trying to figure out how something works, or why something doesn't work. Time is money, and it is better that a code writer spends a few extra seconds on making the code more readable than a code reader spending maybe fifteen minutes on the same piece of code because he misunderstood some detail of it the first time around because it was written in a weird way.

    There are some things that are more important than whitespace and braces, that are too often overlooked. A coding style/code standard should also include conventions for code patterns, comments and how to choose reasonable variable names ... and these things can not be changed by a "pretty printer".

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  9. Style is Substance by afgam28 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The best article that I've ever read on coding style is Style is Substance by Ken Arnold.

    I won't repeat what he has to say here, because he explains it better than I could. But I wish that more programming languages would follow what he is advocating, because we waste way too much time arguing about braces and tabs.

  10. Re:Instant Code Style fix by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ctrl+K, Ctrl+F

    Presto, you've got your coding style for code that you didn't write.

    Doesn't work for me. Ctrl+K deletes the current line, and Ctrl+F moves the cursor forward one character. What version of emacs are you using?

  11. Run everything through a formatter by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just use Artistic Style for C and its derivatives C++, C#, and Java. I usually set it for "--style=ansi", but that's a project preference. External code is run through Artistic Style before use. This way, everyone knows the indentation is consistent.

    For Python, of course, there are few formatting options, so this isn't an issue. Dreamweaver will indent HTML. Javascript remains a problem.

  12. Style != formatting by redfood · · Score: 2

    Almost all the posted comments are talking about formatting (tabs vs spaces, indentation, line breaks, etc).

    While its good to be consistent with these. Style is so much more.
        Consistant naming schemes for variables/functions/classes/methods etc.
        Useful and meaningful comments.
        Handling non-expected input and states gracefully
        Catching and handling of exceptions
        meaningful feedback to the user if there is a problem.

    I would call all these things and more "style." These are the things that make it easy to maintain code after it is written. They also help to reduce the incidence of bugs.

    1. Re:Style != formatting by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

      Max number of lines in method.
      Max number of lines in file.
      Cyclomatic complexity.
      Use of standard design patterns. (factory, singleton, adapter, and iterator)
      What subset of the languages commands are not allowed.

  13. KR by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 4, Informative
    Kernighan and Ritchie stands for an exemplary coding style. It's spirit can be transferred to more modern languages. It was thought of with readability and screen economy in mind.

    My does:
    • Never omit braces for conditions and loops.
    • Spaces instead of tabs. This is a holy war which I have fought with myself. Stated with tabs but after years of persevering I realised spaces had less issues.
    • In related projects, choose one style and stick with it.
    • Let the IDE do the code formatting for you.
    • At any cost, avoid the order of members to be significant.
    • If you need fancy formatted comment then your design may need a review.
    • Design your software to be a set of modules and develop each module as pure as you can. Solving one problem well reflects in the code you produce.
    • Divide your compilation units in units containing data structure definitions and units containing processing code. That also makes your code more readable.
    • Learn from better programmers and become a better programmer every day.
    • Avoid the pitfall of cryptic programs. The more people can read you code the better it can be maintained.

    My don'ts list is getting shorter and shorter. Most programmers have reasons why they produce the code the way they do. Lack of experience should be met with understanding and appreciation for improvements.

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  14. Re:Let people code how they like by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, really he's not. I am quite capable of reading code with different indent styles, brace styles, etc. I do so on a regular basis, even when working with language approved styles as I regularly program in multiple languages. I have no trouble with it mixing program to program, file to file, or even function to function.
    In fact, most code bases I've worked on looked like that. And there was no noticable speedup in places that did enforce a style vs those that didn't.

    In fact, he actually tends to harm code quality. Why? Because he bogs down code reviews. Rather than looking for serious maintenance or correctness problems, we focus on his half dozen style complaints. This wastes our time and causes people to hate code reviews, or take them less seriously. The places I've worked with style guidelines all had shitty code review processes, and this was the reason.

    So no, that anal retentive asshole made everyone's job far worse. There are code style issues that matter, like naming variables well and commenting sufficiently. Formatting is not one of them, and being particularly picky about it is a BIG red flag about both a person and a company.

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  15. It does matter by TheCount22 · · Score: 2

    When writing code everything matters.

    Forcing people to follow a style I think is counter productive. It prevents the styles from evolving. In recent years for example people have been moving towards using better naming rather than commenting.

    Strict rules prevent creativity and for that reason I disagree with the conclusions of the article to require one. Requiring anything more than just to follow a style no matter what that style may be and to try to maintain the existing code in the style that it was in is about as much as you can do.

    "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." - Alan Kay

  16. Have worked on MANY large teams by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    then you have never worked on a free software collaborative project; you have never submitted patches to free software projects; you have never worked for a large software engineering firm with ISO9001 (Software TickIT) practices in place;

    I have worked with large engineering firms; I have not have submitted small patches to OS projects long ago but as I noted, for small changes I mimic existing coding style.

    I have worked with dozens of teams ranging in size from two to thirty or so.

    in fact you have probably never worked with revision control tools ever in your life.

    I have worked with many such tools starting with RCS, then CVS, then git.

    running a code formatter and then creating a patch automatically includes your modifications in amongst a bunch of whitespace modifications,

    You may have not noticed where I said small changes I mimic existing coding style. I am talking about new code, where someone who is submitting the code is also the guy who has been writing it for a while. As long as the people working on that block of code are consistent, there is no SCM issue with them coding as they like. I am not saying to re-format a whole file and check that in; just to make it more readable as needed.

    bottom line is: i'm not impressed.
    And I am sad you cannot read, nor understand the point I am making.

    Hopefully for the good of future teams you can eventually lodge the stick out of your ass that companies have made you push in so far you don't even know you have it any longer.

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  17. Re:It doesn't matter by halo_2_rocks · · Score: 2

    If you have to enforce a standard for using proper names of variables, functions, and classes and documenting your code - YOU ARE HIRING the wrong people to start with. I'd fire anyone that you have to actually state that to or even if I was forced to point that out to.

  18. Re:Let people code how they like by rgbrenner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note to self; don't work for people who don't have a real account on Slashdot.

    Seriously? How is having a slashdot account a positive personality attribute? Were you too busy reading the articles to notice what gets posted here?

  19. Re:Python Indentation: Style is the language by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 2

    Well maybe that's going to be fixed. Let's see:

    >>> from __future__ import braces
    File "", line 1
    SyntaxError: not a chance
    >>>

    Nope.

    PS: That's real, try it yourself

  20. Re:style by veg_all · · Score: 2

    Your coworkers, however, might.

    ftfy

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  21. Re:No it doesn't by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

    Poor or inconsistent coding style, OTOH, gets in the way of producing correct, working code. If you have to constantly stop to figure out how the current statement's nested or which block it's in, that takes time and attention away from concentrating on what the code's supposed to do. That means more errors, more bugs, more time debugging and a greater likelihood of missing bugs or a deadline or both. If I look at code and find no consistent coding style in it, that tells me that either the programmer didn't take too much care writing the code or there were several programmers working on it who didn't take any care to mesh their work. Either way it makes me wary of the code.

    And while mostly the exact style doesn't matter, only that there's a consistent style, some styles do have their drawbacks. Forinstanceomissionofwhitespacetends tomakecertainerrorslike=vs==harder tostopandmorelikelytolinger. Now, how long did it take you to find the typo in the previous sentence? I rest my case.

  22. Re:No it doesn't by FalseModesty · · Score: 2

    Seemingly you are the one who can't click a button. And that is your fault.

  23. Re:No it doesn't by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

    If you make a typo in your code then you made a typo, the best code style in the world doesn't prevent mistakes.

    Code style can, however, make it easier to spot typos when you make them, easier to scan for them. Eg. the regexp "if .* = " to spot use of an assignment inside an if condition, which is normally a bug. If you consistently use whitespace between tokens, it's easy to write that regexp and have it reliably catch all occurrences while also reliably not catching anything else. If you omit the whitespace, it's harder to come up with a check that's resistant to false positives (and a test that throws up a lot of non-matching lines isn't helpful, the errors get lost in the noise). It can be done, but this is about easy not merely possible. You can make pigs fly with a big enough rocket strapped to them, but if you want a flying animal it's easier to just start with a pigeon instead. And anyone who wants to use techniques that make it easier to make errors and harder to spot them when you do make them... is not a professional.

  24. Re:It depends on whatcha mean when you say style by mysidia · · Score: 2

    Seriously? You are reading the code, fixing bugs, and you find formatting problems. So you back out your half-complete changes, fix the formatting, commit that change, then re-apply your fix-in-progress?

    NO. What part of dedicated commit for formatting changes do you not understand?

    You never leave changes from a previous session uncommitted; always commit all changes before leaving the desk.

    Before you start working on any code, you update your working directory from the repository. You correct any formatting problems and commit, after update from the repository, and you do this when you have not yet made any changes to the code, and 'svn diff' is empty.

    If you discover any formatting issues, you ignore any formatting issues you see, DO NOT CHANGE THE FORMATTING, while you are coding, finish your code changes, commit that.

    Then, only after your code changes are fully committed, you run the formatting script, and commit any formatting changes.

    Your diffs will then not be polluted.

  25. And it should never matter today! by GeekDork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Code editors (at least most of them) are still stuck in a dark age where everything comes down to hand-crafted ASCII-art, which is complete and utter bullshit. Editors could and should work much closer, if not directly on, the AST of the language in question, and completely abstract away all those pesky details like indenting scopes or formatting comment blocks "properly". That stuff should be left to user preference and style sheets.

    But I guess that would put an immediate end to the religious zeal displayed in tabs-vs-spaces (it's of course ts=8 sw=4 noexpandtab, noobs!), would not mask syntax errors in gobs of meticulously crafted gunk, and take all the "fun" out of programming.

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