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Canadian Researchers Create Wireless Charger For Electric Cars

An anonymous reader writes "University of British Columbia researchers have developed a wireless charging system for electric cars. It involves a spinning magnet beneath the parked vehicle which turns another magnet in the underside of the car. Charging takes four hours and is about 90% as efficient as plugging in. From the article: '"One of the major challenges of electric vehicles is the need to connect cords and sockets in often cramped conditions and in bad weather," says David Woodson, managing director of UBC Building Operations. "Since we began testing the system, the feedback from drivers has been overwhelmingly positive." Four wireless charging stations have been installed at UBC's building operations parking lot. Tests show the system is more than 90 per cent efficient compared to a cable charge. A full charge takes four hours and enables the vehicle to run throughout an eight-hour shift.'"

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  1. efficiency: 90% of cable? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, so it can double as a garage heater in winter. However, in the snowier parts of the country (i.e. NOT Vancouver and its suburbs), this will not be appreciated for outdoor use - lots of meltwater turning into smooth ice...

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    1. Re:efficiency: 90% of cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's see if you're right. A Tesla Roadster has a 50kWh battery. Charging that in 4 hours requires 12500W of power. 10% of that is lost compared to the cable charger. That's 1.25kW of heat in addition to the heat from the inefficiencies of the rest of the charging system and the battery. That's in heater territory, but not enough to significantly heat an uninsulated garage. Problems with molten ice and snow can't be much different from parking a car with a warm engine.

    2. Re:efficiency: 90% of cable? by Eric+Freyhart · · Score: 2

      OK, so it can double as a garage heater in winter. However, in the snowier parts of the country (i.e. NOT Vancouver and its suburbs), this will not be appreciated for outdoor use - lots of meltwater turning into smooth ice...

      This can easily work outdoors. Both magnet sets can be encased in a non conductive cover when outdoors, so no moving parts will be exposed. I have worked with something very close to this device for charging. Wish I had thought of this first!

  2. Re:Why the second magnet? by Latentius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nevermind...finally read the article thoroughly. They're just placating the idiots who think that other types of wireless power transmission is black magic or something, as if quickly rotating magnetic fields (not to mention large magnetic discs) is any safer than electrical fields alone. Apparently these people have never heard of electromagnetism and aren't aware that the two are intrinsically linked.

  3. 90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not if I'm paying for the electricity. I don't really feel like paying 10% extra to charge my car for the convenience of not having to plug it in. How much more does this charging system cost and how much does it add to my car's weight? Qualitatively, let's estimate that as "too much."

    1. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by trout007 · · Score: 2

      I think it would be more useful for public charging places. Less potential for vandalism is its embedded in the road.

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    2. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tesla Motors is deploying solar power charging stations. When the fuel is free the 10% loss is worth it for the simplicity of having a car park where every space automatically re-charges your car, included in the cost of the ticket.

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    3. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by vlm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Less potential for vandalism is its embedded in the road.

      LOL so you think. Give the 4chan-ers a box full of BBs or ball bearings and watch the fun begin. Depending on rotational freq etc this could be pretty exciting or dangerous.

      Foreign conductive bodies are the bane of high power wireless charging. Womens fashion shoes with a conductive ring, finger rings like wedding rings, all issues with high power chargers. Even bycycle and motorcycle wheels are round enough to act as a shorted turn. Using rotating magnet power is no less of a hassle.

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    4. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Especially disappointing coming from Canada where plug our gas powered cars in during the winter anyway. Is it seriously that hard to plug in your car? Why not just build in some sort of robotics and sensing system so that the charging station can maneuver the plug into the car if you are really that lazy.

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    5. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by fikx · · Score: 2

      How about an electric grid above the cars with a metal tongue to pick up the current? Problem solved.

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    6. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      All conductive rings would have current induced in them. This will cause them to heat up _and_ generate their own magnetic field, which will cause torques but no net force.

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    7. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Funny

      And you need new solar panels every 20 years. There will undoubtedly be more maintenance costs as well.

    8. Re:90% as efficent as a plug is good enough? by AdamWill · · Score: 2

      "And solar works remarkably well on cloudy days. the heat-based aggregators with tracking mirrors and such take a hit because they are focusing the heat of the sun, which is diffused, but PV doesn't take nearly the hit."

      I don't know why people always seem so terribly surprised by this. I don't know about you, but I can still _see_ on cloudy days. Where do people think the photons are coming from?

  4. F-Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have visions of the recharge lane.

    1. Re:F-Zero by Latentius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Joking aside, that's not a half-bad idea. Even if we're talking about the non-magnetic forms of wireless power transmission, it could be possible in the distant future to embed the technology in our highways and have it powered by roadside solar panels, etc.

    2. Re:F-Zero by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'll only have to drive in that lane for four hours every day while it inductively slows down my car.

    3. Re:F-Zero by Latentius · · Score: 2

      But you wouldn't drive in the lane to get a full power-up; you'd only need enough to maintain cruising speed, which is a lot less power. Or even less than that, if you're just looking for any sort of external boost to make up for the inherent issues with trying to store power onboard.

      As for slowing the car down, that may be the case with a magnetic charger, but I'm not sure about inductive coupling--I'll defer to the EEs to make a ruling on that one.

  5. Lots of Canadian stories this weekend by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not that I'm complaining... I'm just a bit surprised. News for nerds north of the 49th.... If this was November, I'd suspect some sort of alliteration joke to be forthcoming.

  6. Existing tech by trout007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is used all of the time in pumps where you don't want a dynamic seal. You have permanent magnets spun by a motor and inside a sealed case the pump is coupled by a magnetic field.

    http://www.proconpumps.com/brands/Magnetically-Coupled-Pump-(Sealless).html

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  7. Re:Spinning magnet in the car? by robot256 · · Score: 2

    Straw man. It's no harder to close the magnetic circuit of an inductive charging system (electromagnets) than it is a pair of permanent magnets like this, if you know what you're doing. The only difference is this system will produce a much lower frequency electromagnetic oscillation--in fact, it would be easier for the inductive system, since higher frequencies require smaller and less sophisticated materials to contain. What is the radiative effect when the two spinning magnets are not centered perfectly, as compared to a non-centered inductive system?

    Also, permanent magnets are expensive, and annoying. Try not to drop your credit card on the garage floor, even when it's turned off--and what is going to stick to the bottom of your car as you drive?

    The only remaining question is: if there really is a power efficiency gain, is it not wholly negated by the added weight of this ridiculous, possibly unreliable mechanical contraption, compared to a standard induction charger?

  8. What, a spinning magnet? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not make it a two-part transformer? You'd just have a spinning magnetic field with no moving parts. You would also eliminate two extra rotary electrical machines (the motor in the charger and the generator in the car).

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    1. Re:What, a spinning magnet? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Read the article. The researchers are aware of that. They are also aware that there are lots of 'OMG EMF!!!' people who still think that wifi is cooking their brains. This magnetomechanical charger's big selling point is that there is no high-frequency magnetic field to scare people.

    2. Re:What, a spinning magnet? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Anything less than 20KHz is likely to produce audible noise.

  9. back to the future by slick7 · · Score: 2

    Thank you, Nikola Tesla.

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  10. Wind up cars return! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I knew if I waited long enough I would get my wind-up toys back. But why aren't they using a big spring?

  11. Re:Spinning magnet in the car? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    Fortunately charging a car wouldn't need a 100kW microwave. Both because you don't need 100kW (unless you are in a hurry of charging your car, but then, I'm not sure the battery would take that anyway), and because you'd not use microwaves to do it (after all, you don't have to remote-charge your car; instead you'd put it directly onto the charger).

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  12. Re:Is it Canada day again? by danomac · · Score: 2

    Nope, us Canadians have nothing better to do on a Saturday other than post articles to Slashdot. Y'know, we have bitter cold and snowy winters, eh?

  13. Brilliant Idea, but One Suggestion by mtrachtenberg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Brilliant. I'd make a teensy change. Replace the spinning magnet outside the car with a cable, and replace the spinning magnet and generator in the car's underbody with a plug. Run power through the cable to the plug, but only after there's been a handshake between the cable and the plug. Use the equipment that would spin the magnets to establish a physical connection between the cable and the plug.

    I think the efficiency of this, compared to old techniques, will be closer to 100% of existing efficiency than to 90%.

  14. Re:Er... lots are normally plowed by cynyr · · Score: 2

    because you can park on top of 4"-8" of snow just fine even if the lot isn't plowed.

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  15. Re:Spinning magnet in the car? by robot256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's called a "magnetic circuit" (scroll down halfway for an actual diagram). They are used all the time in high-efficiency motors and solenoids. By putting the right type of iron in the right shape around a coil or a permanent magnet, the iron provides a "path of least resistance" for the magnetic field lines and the field that escapes from the iron is small or miniscule.

    If you have ever taken apart a mechanical hard drive, you will have found the very strong neodymium magnets used in the head travel motor are attached to a piece of metal--probably an alloy called "mu metal" or similar--and the observable effect is that you can only magnetically stick things to the magnet side, not the mu-metal side. That is because of where the magnetic field lines go: instead of going out one side of the magnet, around in the air, and back in the other side, they go out into the air on ones side and then directly into the mu metal, then through the mu metal and into the magnet. This not only shields the magnetic data on the hard drive platters from the motor magnets, but also greatly increases the efficiency of the motor.

    I assume they will do the same thing with this car. There will be a pretty significant "air gap" in the magnetic circuit, which increases leakage, but it is easy to provide iron on the top side of the in-car magnet so that all the field lines are directed downward and away from the interior of the car.

  16. Re:A four-hour charge time? by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    Street. Shark.

  17. Effects on the family cat? by xQx · · Score: 2

    IRRC the biggest unknown with these chargers is that it's effects on a small animal that chooses to sit right in the path of the inductance loop is largely unknown.

    It's a bigger issue than you would think, since it does put out some heat, it is extremely likely that your family cat will find a new favorite sleeping place under the car.

    Granted the biggest risk might be that of a 'squashing' incident when you park or drive off without first checking for your loved one; but the effects on living tissue of spending hours sitting on top of a giant electromagnet are not exactly known.

    We know that running a 60 watt TV from across the room via inductance has zero effect on human health - but running 12.5kW through a cat is a slightly different equation.

    1. Re:Effects on the family cat? by Prune · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unbelievably ignorant comment. The 12.5 kW is running through the free space between the cat's electrons and nuclei with only a tiny tiny fraction of it impacts anything in the cat, none of it having any physiological effect. It's been long established that magnetic fields are basically inert to biological matter. In 1997 they levitated a frog using 16 Tesla field, which is orders of magnitude stronger than anything used here, and the frog had no subsequent physiological problems: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15420771.600-frog-defies-gravity.html The rate of change of the magnetic field is far too slow with this mechanical rotation to create an appreciable electric field--there's no measurable charge separation that can be induced in the cat. There's also no EM waves anywhere in the vicinity due to an extremely long wavelength, putting the whole system including the car, cat, and rotating magnets in a near field situation.

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    2. Re:Effects on the family cat? by putaro · · Score: 3, Informative

      Different type of charging system.

      The charging system in your references is working via induction - basically a transformer and the energy is transferred through an alternating magnetic field that creates a current in the coil on the car.

      The system that's references here appears to use a magnet to spin a magnet on the other side that then spins a generator. I'm not sure exactly how the intensity of the magnetic field would be different because the power is still being transmitted magnetically, but it's going to be at a much lower frequency. The induction charging has a frequency of 40KHz while this would be more like 60Hz.

  18. Re:Why the second magnet? by Prune · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're an idiot. Due to the slow rotation, the slow rate of change of the magnetic field puts the whole system is in a purely magnetic near field regime. While the rotating magnet emitter would, all by itself, produce extremely long wavelength EM radiation starting at a few kilometers distance (any closer, the only electric field that can be induced is in conductors), that does not happen when there is an interacting object in the near field which acts as a sink for most of that energy. Given their efficiency numbers, the leakage is 10%; a kW or even a few of multi-km long wavelength fields are not an issue for biological matter, even less when they don't even exist as EM until km distance over which you've had quadratic falloff! Anywhere within the vicinity of the rotating emitter / car receiver system there is only a relatively slow varying magnetic field and no measurable charge separation can be induced by this in biological matter. Magnetic fields of 16 Tesla were used to levitate a frog around 15 years ago, and the frog had no physiological effects during or after the experiment--and those are magnetic fields orders of magnitude higher than what was ued here!

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