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Glow-In-The-Dark Smart Highways Coming To the Netherlands In 2013

An anonymous reader writes "The Netherlands is moving forward with plans to build 'smart' highways that can become more easily visible in the dark or communicate weather conditions to drivers. Work will begin as early as next year. 'Special paint will also be used to paint markers like snowflakes across the road's surface — when temperatures fall to a certain point, these images will become visible, indicating that the surface will likely be slippery. Roosegaarde says this technology has been around for years, on things like baby food — the studio has just up-scaled it. The first few hundred meters of glow in the dark, weather-indicating road will be installed in the province of Brabant in mid-2013, followed by priority induction lanes for electric vehicles, interactive lights that switch on as cars pass and wind-powered lights within the next five years.'"

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  1. This technology would've been introduced long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    but cautious corporate officials decided to wait for AOL Netscape's patent on the "blink" tag to expire.

  2. So... by symes · · Score: 3, Funny

    How will drivers see glow in the dark images when there is snow on the roads?

    1. Re:So... by pokoteng · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's often black ice that is invisible on the roads that causes slipping, rather than visibly obvious snow. That is probably what this targets. Snow is an obvious indicator that road is dangerous, and this paint fixes parts where you can't easily see that.

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    2. Re:So... by infogulch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there's enough snow on the road to cover up the paint, I really hope that drivers don't need a snowflake graphic to know that there is snow on the roads.

    3. Re:So... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      And it keeps tigers away.

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  3. Dirt Proof? by parallel_prankster · · Score: 2

    What happens when a really dirty set of tires goes over these markings on the road continuously? If they are not visible, will that lead to more accidents? It seems like a "smarter" thing to do would be to somehow network these highways electronically or using WiFi or something so that you can then use the computer in your car or smartphone to get very localized information about the conditions on the road on which you are driving.

    1. Re:Dirt Proof? by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the point is that these coatings respond to surface conditions, rather than just local area averages. great for bridges and other areas which freeze first

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    2. Re:Dirt Proof? by arisvega · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What happens when a really dirty set of tires [..] network those highways [..] use the computer [..] smartphone ..

      Relax, this is about Europe: most people there with cars actually already know how to drive them.

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    3. Re:Dirt Proof? by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What happens when a really dirty set of tires goes over these markings on the road continuously?

      The same as happens with current signalization.
      I have never seen this to be an issue, so why would it be one now?

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    4. Re:Dirt Proof? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2

      What happens when a really dirty set of tires [..] network those highways [..] use the computer [..] smartphone ..

      Relax, this is about Europe: most people there with cars actually already know how to drive them.

      I know. Stuff like this can be hard to explain to people from a country where they actually ask if you can drive a car with a gearstick. I remember seeing an automatic in Europe once, and I thought "WTF is this?"

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    5. Re:Dirt Proof? by parallel_prankster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Really, then why the hell are these paintings being developed? Why don't Europeans just drive properly through the black snow shit! I am tired of the Europeans can drive nonsense. The US just has far more drivers and far more emphasis on driving a person vehicle as compared to other countries and hence it gets a bad name. The point of this article is not that, the point in making these improvements is to remove any human errors out of the equation. Now what is the best way to provide current weather conditions to the driver. By painting the roads or via some technology in their car??

    6. Re:Dirt Proof? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The US just has far more drivers and far more emphasis on driving a person vehicle as compared to other countries and hence it gets a bad name.

      Given how much 'emphasis' you say we put on driving, you'd think we'd be better at it no?

      Have you been to Europe? In Germany, it takes literally almost 2 years to get your license. Driving school is that long and costs a couple thousand dollars if memory serves.

      Compare that to the US where everyone gets their license after 20 minutes test consisting of a K-turn and nothing over 45 mph. Who do you think turns out better drivers?

      People routinely fail driving tests in Europe, because driving really is a 'privilege' and they make it hard to earn.

      We on the other hand let damn near anyone drive.

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    7. Re:Dirt Proof? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Now what is the best way to provide current weather conditions to the driver. By painting the roads or via some technology in their car??

      By having the technology in the road. Not everyone trades their car in every year, and some of us smarter ones buy our vehicles used. Mine's ten years old, I'll retire it when repairs start costing more than a car payment.

      If this tech were on my roads today, it would make me safer. But if it only came on brand new BMWs I'm SOL.

      Also, I don't know how well or badly Europeans drive, but I know for a fact that Americans drive REALLY bad.

  4. Obligatory XKCD regarding the wind-powered tech by milbournosphere · · Score: 4, Insightful
  5. This is a bad idea, right? by Nationless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    High friction surface which requires constant work and they want to paint it in temperature sensitive markings which will get covered in sot and worn down in a heartbeat? Prolonging any and all road maintenance.

    Why not just have a sign painted in the same material which does the same job, except you can actually see it a lot easier?

    I do like the idea of glow in the dark roads for increased visibility, but not for reading the temperature.

    1. Re:This is a bad idea, right? by houghi · · Score: 2

      They are painting on the roads now. They will just use a different paint.

      And I would be very happy to know that the road is around 0C so I know to watch out for ice.

      Having that on the road, especially at night, will be a great addition to roadsigns. Why choose if you can have both?

      The snow part is not the nicest part. What I like is the glow in the dark lines. It could save a LOT of money in Belgium and other countries.

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    2. Re:This is a bad idea, right? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2

      I do like the idea of glow in the dark roads for increased visibility, but not for reading the temperature.

      HAve you ever driven on clean black pavement in the rain at night, in a well-lit area?

      The reflections make it really hard to discern markings. I can only imagine that in the right circumstances, this will make it worse.

    3. Re:This is a bad idea, right? by mrbester · · Score: 2

      Then have sensors on the road. At the side, obviously, so they don't get smashed. The information is relayed to solar powered signs.

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    4. Re:This is a bad idea, right? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      If only the paint could change the wavelength of the light, it would make it stand out more in the presence of reflected light. Wait, that's phosphorescence. Like glow in the dark paint.

    5. Re:This is a bad idea, right? by hawguy · · Score: 2

      Then have sensors on the road. At the side, obviously, so they don't get smashed. The information is relayed to solar powered signs.

      Because that negates the "no maintenace" part that the previous poster was talking about?

      The linked to article shows these snowflakes painted every meter or so along the road. A single kilometer would have hundreds of them. Maintaining a network of hundreds of solar powered temperature sensors sounds a lot more labor intensive that repainting the temperature indicating snowflakes periodically when they restripe the roads.

  6. We already have this here. by dccase · · Score: 5, Funny

    Our roads turn white to signal that it is snowing.

    1. Re:We already have this here. by MartinSchou · · Score: 2

      And what does it do when it hasn't snowed, the air temperature is above freezing, but random parts of the road is below freezing and there's a light drizzle?

      This tends to form a very localized phenomenon known as black ice - patches of road that look innocuous but are about as slippery as it gets.

  7. Re:Dutch dykes by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    If you'd written "dike" instead of "dyke", maybe your joke would have been amusingly relevant instead of offensive.

    dyke (plural dykes)
    low dry-stone wall
    hedge

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dyke

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  8. Real world testing please by ehud42 · · Score: 2

    There's a stretch of highway by my place that has these really cool LED lights countersunk into the centre line that I'm sure were marketed as a great way to increase safety. The stretch of highway is a narrow 2 lane non-divided temporary by pass around a construction zone (major interchange being built to no where).

    The problem with these fancy LEDs is they are so dim that I actually find myself quite distracted trying to determine if they are in fact glowing. Had they gone with a much lower tech solution of putting countersunk reflectors, my headlights would have gladly lit up the centre line.

    Glow in the dark stickers, etc. only work when the surrounding area is really dark, otherwise there just isn't enough contrast.

    I hope this tech provides a significant visual contrast or else it will just be a distracting and annoying waste of money.

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  9. Re:Dutch dykes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you'd written "dike" instead of "dyke", maybe your joke would have been amusingly relevant instead of offensive.

    If you're really that easily offended .. what the hell are you DOING on the internet?!

  10. Inductive lanes? by hawguy · · Score: 2

    What are the "priority induction lanes for electric vehicles"? Do they inductively charge electric vehicles? Are they toll lanes to pay for the electricity?

    1. Re:Inductive lanes? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apparently it's the former: here

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  11. Re:The War On Common Sense by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first few hundred meters of glow in the dark, weather-indicating road will be installed in the province of Brabant in mid-2013

    They do realize .. you had to be outside to either get in the car or at least to pull out of the garage, right? Might notice things like "shit it's below freezing" or "shit it's snowy, roads might be slick". Just sayin'.

    I don't know if you've ever driving in winter conditions... but you do realize that road surface temperature differs from air temperature, and varies over time and distance? It might be 5 degrees when you leave your office, but by the time you reach your home outside of the city, it may have dropped to below freezing.

  12. Re:The War On Common Sense by flibbajobber · · Score: 3, Funny

    I drive in "winter conditions" 5-7 months every year...

    So you're familiar with it. This kind of system would be entirely appropriate for somewhere that gets frozen-road conditions only a few days of the year, or areas that experience high amounts of traffic from out-of-towners.

    This is for the visitors - the kind of idiot who follows his GPS into a lake - not the locals.

  13. Re:The War On Common Sense by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    I've driven from Dallas to Fargo in one day. Dallas was warm. Fargo was less so. If it passed below freezing, I wouldn't know. Yes, I got out to fill up, and it was colder than TX, but no idea on what the temperature was. Though many cars have temperature, which seems a better way to gauge, unless the air temp is significantly different than the road temperature.

  14. Re:Dutch dykes by xstonedogx · · Score: 2

    You say that like "guilt-trip-control" is a means to an end. It's not.

  15. Re:The War On Common Sense by hawguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first few hundred meters of glow in the dark, weather-indicating road will be installed in the province of Brabant in mid-2013

    They do realize .. you had to be outside to either get in the car or at least to pull out of the garage, right? Might notice things like "shit it's below freezing" or "shit it's snowy, roads might be slick". Just sayin'.

    I don't know if you've ever driving in winter conditions... but you do realize that road surface temperature differs from air temperature, and varies over time and distance? It might be 5 degrees when you leave your office, but by the time you reach your home outside of the city, it may have dropped to below freezing.

    I'm one of those weird guys who believes in fixing a problem at the source of the problem.

    Anyone who doesn't understand that and think it's bleedin' obvious is not qualified to drive a car and should never receive a license until they get a clue.

    Unlike this proposal, it would SAVE money, not cost money.

    How do you know it would SAVE money to not have freeze warning indicators painted on the roads? They didn't give any price for the indicators in the article, nor did they give any estimate of how many accidents it could prevent.

    If it costs $1000/mile to paint the indicators on the roads, and prevents one $10,000 accident per 10 miles, then it would break even.

    I don't know about the drivers in the Netherlands, but I can say with some certainty that many of the licensed drivers in the USA indeed do not have a clue. This is especially evident when driving to the mountains on ski weekends and seeing the reckless driving and accidents from out-of-area drivers that really have no clue about how to drive safely in winter conditions since they only drive in snow 3 weekends a year in a rented SUV. I think drivers like this would definitely benefit from freeze warning indicators.

  16. Re:The War On Common Sense by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    I drive in massive snow, and a "glow in the dark" road will be useless as it will be under 1 foot of snow.

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  17. disappointed by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first few hundred meters of glow in the dark, weather-indicating road will be installed in the province of Brabant in mid-2013, followed by priority induction lanes for electric vehicles, interactive lights that switch on as cars pass and wind-powered lights within the next five years.

    Those socialist hell-holes get all the good stuff.

    But we'll have the last laugh when the US becomes one big Foxconn dormitory, because we'll still have our liberty.

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  18. Re:The War On Common Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I also drive in horrible winter conditions for almost half of the year and have had to deal with icy roads in almost every month of the year at some point. I've actually never been in an accident as a result. But my first thought in response to "no warning needed" is "screw you, I'll take every warning or indicator I can get if reasonably priced." Shit happens, not everyone is in perfect mental condition when driving, even seasoned drivers make misjudgements. Experience can at times almost be a risk at times, as people become complacent and cut corners. I've also seen enough drivers claim to be good or amazing drivers who actually aren't, and thought maybe I shouldn't assume I am above average either. I also realize the road shouldn't be built for what the good drivers can handle anyways, it should be built for what the bad drivers can handle, as they can take you out with them. Besides, you can chose to ignore the indicators, but you can't chose to pay attention to them if there not there.

    This not to say I think they should be installed everywhere... I would need to see the costs and effectiveness before supporting it. It is not like I am the type that thinks everyone should be driving 5 mph, as people still need to get from point A to B in a reasonable time.

  19. Re:The War On Common Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the warning light might as well say "UFO overhead." A freezing warning means nothing to someone who has no idea how to drive in such weather. As a former Calgarian (Alberta), suddenly finding yourself on a stretch of ice that not even ABS can handle requires a steady hand and a calm head. Experience has taught me what to do and how, and fortunately without a single dent in the process, but to an inexperienced driver it's plain panic, pumping the pedal pointlessly.

    End result: those people would still be in the ditch.

  20. Re:The War On Common Sense by rooie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here in The Netherlands winter doesn't automatically means snow or temperatures below zero. So you can't see that roads are slippery. More often than not it's just below zero. The problem starts if it drizzled during the night and you only have ground frost. Then you get black ice. Which you don't see. Of course, if you walk towards your car you might know roads are slippery, but that doesn't guarantee that all roads are (or aren't) slippery.

  21. Re:Dutch dykes by r_a_trip · · Score: 2

    Oh fuck off, you oversensitive dyke. Just because you happen to have a vagina, doesn't make you entitled to live in a politically correct dystopia. You are a bald monkey, who will live, die and rot away. Just like the rest of us.

    Before you label me as a mysoginistic piece of straight, male scum, just out to denigrate you and tranform you into a sexual object, I have to tell you, you're wrong. I'm a gay, a sissy, a faggot, a fudgepacker, a queer. I'm light on my feet.

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