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D&D Monster Study Proves Eyes Have It

sciencehabit writes with this excerpt from Science: "The dungeon is pitch black — until the dungeon master blazes a torch, confirming your worst fears. A Beholder monster lurches at you, its eyeballs wriggling on tentacular stems. As you prepare to wield your Vorpal sword, where do you focus your gaze: at the monster's head or at its tentacle eyes? Such a quandary from the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons may seem like a meaningless trifle, but it holds within it the answer to a tricky scientific question: Do people focus their gaze on another person's eyes or on the center of the head? In fact, a father-son team has used D&D monsters to show that most people will look to another creature's eyes, even if they're not attached to a head."

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  1. Boobies by PoopManners · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't watch at eyes, I watch at boobs amirite?

    1. Re:Boobies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't watch at eyes, I watch at boobs amirite?

      Those tits certainly have the look.

    2. Re:Boobies by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Old joke: Why don't men look women in the eyes? Cause their eyes aren't on their tits.

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    3. Re:Boobies by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better study: Show men pictures of women with nipples for eyes and eyes for nipples and check where they look. Take the pre-photoshop picture in a cold studio.

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    4. Re:Boobies by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Actually...get the boob looking out of the way before you approach her....

      For building repoire with a girl you're trying to meet....give them eye contact, and usually...have them to be the first one to drop it, dominance thing.

      This isn't just with women...in meetings, or when I'm trying to push my agenda, etc...I generally focus my gaze usually directly into their right eye (just pick one, doesn't really matter that much I don't think)...but with that situation or even just friendly ones....it imparts to people that YOU are engaged in them, and interested and listening to them.

      Staring at the floor, or something else on them...just doesn't cut it, if you're wanting to truly interact with them, or especially want to exert your influence...I find that doing the right eye contact is a big help.

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    5. Re:Boobies by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Funny

      I generally focus my gaze usually directly into their right eye (just pick one, doesn't really matter that much I don't think)

      I had a roommate with eyes that focused in different directions, I would usually look at the eye that wasn't looking at me to make him keep shifting his gaze.

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    6. Re:Boobies by al.caughey · · Score: 5, Funny

      I knew I came to /. for a reason... and I just figured out that it is to get expert advice on social skills and how to meet girls

    7. Re:Boobies by azalin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, I just got a hardon imagining a Beholder with boobies on all it's tentacles instead of eyes...

      So beauty would in the boob of the beholder?

    8. Re:Boobies by houghi · · Score: 2

      I generally focus my gaze usually directly into their right eye

      As you are apparently into a staring contest of some sort, you better NOT look into the eyes, but right between them Much easier as you will not be tempted to look into the other.

      The other person will look into your eyes and then will often go from one to the other. As you are not looking into the eye(s) you will not do that.

      OTOH if you are not in a staring contest, letting you eyes wander a bit around the face will make you more human and let people open up to you easier.

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    9. Re:Boobies by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 2

      No, you fool: Booby would be in the eye of the Beholder!

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    10. Re:Boobies by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could print a tshirt with eye balls on the nipples and the words 'look me in the eyes'.

      It might sell.

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    11. Re:Boobies by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

      Maybe you need a woman with jiggly eyes.

    12. Re:Boobies by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2

      Beholders don't have boobs you insensitive clod!

    13. Re:Boobies by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      "I hate looking at people's eyes (probably aspergers) s"

      STFU.

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  2. Eyes show emotion by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It has been shown many times in studies that people are able to read a lot of emotion by looking at another person's eyes. Looking at foreheads doesn't give you a tactical advantage, but if you can look in someone's eyes you can see what they are feeling most of the time. You can also see where they are looking, and where their attention is at, which is critical. Of course, good magicians know this and look at the wrong things at the wrong times to mislead you ;)

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    1. Re:Eyes show emotion by ideonexus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One of my martial arts teachers always instructed me to focus my gaze on my opponent's solar plexus so that I could see what their legs and arms were doing in the peripheral vision and to never move the gaze from that point so as not to telegraph my intention with my eyes. Kick boxing ended up being probably the most important class I ever took in my life. It taught me to never get in a fight.

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    2. Re:Eyes show emotion by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It has been shown many times in studies that people are able to read a lot of emotion by looking at another person's eyes.

      This is also the main reason most manga and anime authors prefer to draw big eyes. They're a much easier way to transmit emotions than body postures, allowing for a faster drawing process. In fact, one of the ways they to show a character (usually a villain) as having little to no emotion is by drawing small eyes on him, what also serves as contrast between pure lack of emotion and mere introversion (a character with cold demeanor plus big eyes). Lead characters, in contrast, have the biggest eyes in the cast. And if it's a soap story directed towards female teens you'll find HUGE eyes almost everywhere.

      As a side note for those who don't know: there are tons of "small eyed" manga. Those are usually directed towards adults. What actually defines manga as a style isn't eye size then, but scene transition, which is based on action movies. That's why supposed "manga" drawn by Western authors usually feels wrong to fans: even though their characters are manga-like, their scene transition tends to follow super-hero comics patterns, with lots of poses, high expectation "halted impact" scenes, and step-by-step slow-motion-like narrative. Hence, not manga.

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  3. But... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 4, Informative

    But the head IS a giant eye.

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And a vorpal sword is going to be terrible against a beholder. The natural 20 auto-kill bonus is going to be useless. A regular +5 sword is going to be considerably more effective.

    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the next person doesn't wonder why:

      The vorpal sword's "auto-kill" is supposed to involve separating the critter's head from wherever that is being kept. If your enemy is a floating head, you will be about as effective as Galstaff.

      On that note, where's the Mountain Dew?

    3. Re:But... by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      Against the rear or flanks of it, yes, but it really doesn't matter what you use against the front, because the beholder turns to face those attacking it. Thusly you'll be in the effect of the Anti-Magic Eye, temporarily making any magic in front of it, useless. So what you do, is send the Tank up right front and center....his job is to stay right in front of it...and kill the eyestalks. Because he is in the anti-magic effect,the stalks can't be targeted at him because they don't work. It's the stalks that get you...so everyone else should stay in the cone of effect and use missle attacks on the stalks. Now the beholder might decide to close the main eye against those using such strategery, but if it does...that's when you blast with a wand/spells/magic items.

      But odds are, someone will get disintegrated.

  4. That explains everything by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Being in IT support, we see many people come in without eyes, or common sense, attached to their head. Many times, the head is firmly impacted in the nether regions but this malady is most common with upper management.

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    1. Re:That explains everything by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 2

      Having been in IT support in a healthcare environment, we had a term for that: Cranial-rectal colocation. It comes in two kinds, acute (for short periods) or chronic (seemingly all the time). Our group had diagnosed several cases of CCRC before I left for greener pastures, but I still use the term today.

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  5. Is this a trick question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I, and I imagine most slashdotters, look at my feet when interacting with other people. Especially women.

    1. Re:Is this a trick question? by vlm · · Score: 5, Funny

      I, and I imagine most slashdotters, look at my feet when interacting with other people. Especially women.

      Why are your keyboard and monitor by your feet? I'm not flexible enough to type that way anymore.

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    2. Re:Is this a trick question? by Darby · · Score: 3, Funny


      I, and I imagine most slashdotters, look at my feet when interacting with other people. Especially women.

      Not me. I'm a bold, dashing ladies' man. I look at their feet.

  6. Survival Advantage. by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a profound and significant bias towards looking early and often at the eyes of humans and humanoids and also, critically, at the eyes of monsters.

    Makes sense. There's a survival advantage whether you're predator or prey, it doesn't matter if you can see it, it's whether or not it can see you. Being able to see its head, claws, or gelsacs is useful, but the thing that gives you a survival advantage is knowing whether or not it can see you. If you can see its eyes, it can see you. (The converse - if you can't see its eyes, it can't see you - does not hold unless you're a Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.)

    Car Analogy: Same as if you're driving on the highway past an 18-wheeler. If I can see the trucker's eyes in the side mirrors, he can see me. (I'll assume he can't for the sake of prudence, but it's possible he can see me). If I can't see his eyes in the side mirrors, it's my responsibility to position me vehicle in such a way that he can see me, and/or somewhere he can't hit me whether he can see me or not.

    1. Re:Survival Advantage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      During motorbike training we were taught to position ourselves on the road where a driver would be, i.e. about 2/3 the way in, because (for one reason) other drivers look to that spot when looking for traffic -they instinctively look for another driver rather than another vehicle and further, they would look for their eyes. Worked for me so far.

    2. Re:Survival Advantage. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      I don't know why they need a study to do this. If anyone has a pet, and that pet wants something from you or wants you to do something, it's looking at your eyes. Even if I just walk into a room and my cat wants to see who it is she still looks at my eyes.

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  7. Neither by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most D&D players look at their shoes. The extraverted D&D player looks at the GM's shoes.

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  8. I wonder by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this "research" will qualify for the Ig-Noble awards next year.

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  9. I knew it! by shaitand · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is proof that D&D contains all the secrets to life, the universe, and everything!

  10. Re:Basic martial arts. by Tragedy4u · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not true, many instructors (Sensai, Sifu etc) will tell you to stare at the centre of your opponent's chest. The eyes can lie, if look at the centre of the chest you get a better field of view of how an opponents limbs are moving which can allow you to react better against a feint or a true attack.

  11. read the abstract, disappointed with the methods by HPHatecraft · · Score: 4, Funny

    For starters, did any of the participants in the experiments roll any savings throws? Lame.

    Experimenter: "OK, you encounter a beholder, and... it gets initiative. You: it fires... (dice roll) a beam from eye-stalk number 7."

    Participant: "Uh, OK."

    Experimenter: "Roll the dice. No. No, the other one. Yeah. OK. I see you failed your save vs paralysis".

    Participant: "Huh? (sees the taser in the experimenter's hand) No, wait!!"

    Experimenter: Zzzzzaaap!

    Experimenter: "Hm. He's not moving... oops. Hey. Did anyone roll a cleric? Anyone? What?!? Goddammit!

  12. Re:Basic martial arts. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Slightly off topic, but this is how you're coached to defend in basketball and football too. Check the opponents center of gravity, not their eyes.

  13. Re:Basic martial arts. by Princeofcups · · Score: 3, Informative

    Always look at your opponents eyes, (if they're not highly skilled) they will usually look at an area before making a move in that direction.

    Please mod this down. Looking at your opponents eyes is the last thing you want to do. Nor do you want to stare at a weapon, or at their chest as someone else posted. You want to see all of the opponent, and not focus at any one particular place. If anything, you want to fix your gaze slightly past the opponent. Then any movement, be it head, foot, hand, can be seen equally. Just watch UFC if you disagree. See that kind of glassy unfocused look in their eyes? That's what you want.

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  14. Re:Basic martial arts. by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

    and many of these guys have never been in a real street fight.

    As a consequence, none of them will tell you "here's how to defuse this situation so that it doesn't escalate. Fighting cause you to owe money if it goes to court. You could go to the hospital. The person(s) attacking you could go. Someone could die." And most don't teach how to do this.

    They also will not tell you "the complicated stuff you are learning, the spinning kicks, the block-strike patterns, will probably not work". Under adrenal stress, you lose fine motor coordination. Those techniques will go out the window, probably, and you'll be reduced to playground style fighting.

    You are better off learning basic, easy to use techniques that are "high percentage". Practice those under pressure.

    If you are a pro fighter, veteran cop, etc, feel free to ignore this. For the rest of us schlubs, this is how it is.

    I've been practicing various martial arts for over 30 years. My very first instructor's first lesson was "Best self defense is good pair of sneakers."

    I'll *always* avoid a fight if I can. It's never OK to hurt someone unless you really have to.