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WW2 Carrier Pigeon and Undecoded Message Found In Chimney

BigBadBus writes "The BBC is reporting that the remains of a World War 2 carrier pigeon were found during renovation of a chimney in England. What is interesting is that the pigeon's remains still had its message attached to the leg ring; even more interesting, this is the first recorded instance of a code being used rather than plain text. The successor to WW2 code-breaking HQ Bletchley Park, the GCHQ, is trying to decipher this unique code. Maybe a Slashdot reader can beat them to it?"

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  1. I got it! by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Funny

    It says, "Dresden agrees to surrender, no need to firebomb, Feb. 12, 1945"

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    1. Re:I got it! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

      "drink more ovaltine"

      doh! I knew it. just knew it.

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    2. Re:I got it! by ByOhTek · · Score: 4, Funny

      One more good reason not to stop for a smoke, eh?

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    3. Re:I got it! by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, it's a bit longer, and translates to:
      Don't look like Neanderthals
      Living in a cave
      Stay clean and ready with
      Burma Shave

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    4. Re:I got it! by linear+a · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Getting hungry on the front. Send more pigeons."

    5. Re:I got it! by gmanterry · · Score: 3, Informative

      "drink more ovaltine"

      doh! I knew it. just knew it.

      That's great. I'm over 70 and I do indeed remember my Ovaltine decoders. I bet a very large percentage of the people here on /. have no clue what your post was about. Thank you sir, for reminding me of some good childhood memories.

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  2. Undecoded? by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, encoded?

    1. Re:Undecoded? by ddd0004 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I prefer the doubly redundant not not undecoded. Oh well, back to my technical writing job.

    2. Re:Undecoded? by Triv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If a message is "encoded" it doesn't imply one way or another whether it had been decoded at some point. Just because the message is "encoded" doesn't mean it hasn't been decoded; decoding a message doesn't change the state of the original message as it's still encoded.

      Undecoded is more precise.

    3. Re:Undecoded? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, "undeciphered" is more precise. Because that covers the fact that it might not be encoded but the meaning if the message has not yet been interpreted.

    4. Re:Undecoded? by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're going to pick that kind of nit, then it was encrypted.

      read the article: the bird died in the chimney, there was no crypt involved.

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    5. Re:Undecoded? by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The pigeon was hidden in the chimney (for 70 years!). "Crypt" is Greek for hiding place. Stupid kids with no education!

  3. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It says, "All Germany's base are belong to us"

    1. Re:Translation by kiehlster · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's no wonder the pidgeon was found in a chimney. That pidgeon would have had to fly from Germany all the way across the English Channel and to some place in London. It must have died of a heart attack after such a flight. If such a pidgeon were alive today, we'd have the best IPoAC latency rates ever recorded.

  4. Serialz.pigeon.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously they were just sending serial numbers to aid in pirating punch card software.

  5. recovering an RFC 1149 "lost packet"??? by RobertLTux · · Score: 3

    i wonder how the bird got in the chimney in the first place

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    1. Re:recovering an RFC 1149 "lost packet"??? by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

      i wonder how the bird got in the chimney in the first place

      It walked there.

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    2. Re:recovering an RFC 1149 "lost packet"??? by gman003 · · Score: 5, Informative

      England, as you may be aware, is often cold. A bird could easily decide to perch next to a chimney to keep warm. It then passes out from carbon monoxide inhalation, and topples into the chimney, where it becomes lodged.

    3. Re:recovering an RFC 1149 "lost packet"??? by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Funny

      Very small helicopter.

    4. Re:recovering an RFC 1149 "lost packet"??? by DulcetTone · · Score: 5, Funny

      It flue in

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  6. One for the Brits by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 5, Funny

    It read "This pigeon is under no circumstances to be shot and eaten, nor allowed near chimneys"

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  7. Don't know why, but It's some sort of German by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!"

  8. Re:What are the lapel pins? by They'reComingToTakeM · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like a red flower, maybe a poppy. Is it some local or national thing? Can any slashdotter not working on decoding enlighten, please?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_poppy

  9. Encoded string by thrill12 · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least what I could read of it thus far from the image, some letters in parenthesis if I was unsure, and probably not everything correct: (please reply with your corrections)
    A(C)AKN HVPKD (F)NFJU YIDD(C/L)
    RQX(Q)R DJHFP (E/F)OVFN MIAPX
    PABUZ WYYNP C(M)PNW HJR(C)H
    NLXKE MEMEK ON(O)(I/L)B AREE(G)?
    UAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
    LKX(E/P)H R(E/F)(E/F)HT JRZCQ FNKTQ
    KLDTS (E/F)QIRU AOAKN (2)7 1525/6

    NURP 40 TW 194
    NURP 37 DK (7/1)6

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    1. Re:Encoded string by dch24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok, never mind about the AOAKN: http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2012/11/02/dead-pigeon-sparks-ww2-cipher-mystery

      And decryption efforts are being coordinated here: http://en.reddit.com/r/cryptography/comments/12jipi/ww2_pigeon_carried_an_encrypted_text_here_it_is/.

      (Thanks, by the way, for the info about all WWII German spies in the UK.)

  10. Really? by saveferrousoxide · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've boiled down the 32 comments (so far) to 2:
    "Drink more ovaltine! (ha ha)" and the like
    Undecoded = unnecessary double negative.

    Glad to save you some time, Dear Reader.

  11. Re:Undecoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it's natural language's wonderfully concise way of expressing "coded, but subject to ongoing attempts at decoding it" so that everybody who occasionally talks to people instead of machines immediately understands it.

  12. Original code by smitsco · · Score: 5, Informative

    AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
    RQXSR DJHFP GoVFN MIAPX
    PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH
    NLXKG MENEK ONOIB AREEQ
    UAOTA RBQRH DJoFM TPZEH
    LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
    KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN 27 1525/6

    NURP 40 TW 194
    NURP 37 DK 76

    lib 1025

    1. Re:Original code by F-3582 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't expect the British to already use Windows back then. Why they shared those serialz via carrier pigeon is beyond me, though...

  13. Britain's "Animals In War Memorial" by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://www.animalsinwar.org.uk/

    "This monument is dedicated to all the animals
    that served and died alongside British and allied forces
    in wars and campaigns throughout time"

    The second, smaller inscription simply reads:
    "They had no choice"

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    1. Re:Britain's "Animals In War Memorial" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The same is true for many of the soldiers.

  14. Re:What are the lapel pins? by SonnyDog09 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    -- John McCrae

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  15. hyperspace express way notice by dsvick · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, it says:

    Notice of intent to build a hyperspace express route is hereby given to the peoples of earth.
    Plans and demolition orders may be viewed at your local planning office in Alpha Centauri.
    Thank you,
    Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council

  16. Don't decode it! by slapout · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't decode it! It's a copy of the funniest joke in the world! It's in coded form so that it won't hurt anyone!

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  17. RFC 1149 : TCP over Carrier Pigeon by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 3, Funny
    Well, the reason it's so hard to decode is obviously because it doesn't follow standards that did not yet exist: RFC 1149:- Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avia

    .

    If people only used standards, then even multi-decades old avian-datagrams could route around the blockage of chimneys and continue onward! ;>)

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    The RFC even discusses encryption and tactical issues: ``Security Considerations Security is not generally a problem in normal operation, but special measures must be taken (such as data encryption) when avian carriers are used in a tactical environment.'' This BBN place sounds like a fun place to work if they've got this much time on their hands!

  18. How it got there by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Funny

    It entered the chimney because it was pining for the fjords.

    It's not pinin,' it's passed on! This pigeon is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late pigeon! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he would be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-PIGEON!

  19. Re:Huh by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is correct. Radio communications in the UK were restricted for this sort of thing in WWII. Even weather reports were restricted, lest the Germans should use them to determine the best time to do an air raid. Not only were pigeons used to relay important intelligence, but they were drafted. Individuals who were known to keep pigeons for pleasure were required to turn their hobby into a civil service, much as factories were converted to produce matériel and farms were directed to increase production of specific staples.

  20. Re:Huh by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They were still using carrier pigeons in WW II? Despite the invention of radio?

    The trouble with radio is that everyone else hears it too. Carrier pigeons, assuming they get through, can carry a message from the front lines to the rear without it being intercepted as easily.

    And yet the last cavalry charge occurred 80 years later!

    Actually, the WWII cavalry charges were done because they sometimes worked: For example, an infamous Polish cavalry charge early on in the war was successful in halting the advance of an infantry force - the trouble was that then some tanks showed up and the cavalry had to retreat (this later got propagandized as Poles charging tanks with lances, but that never happened). Later on, an Italian cavalry unit was surrounded by Marshal Tito's forces in the Balkans, and managed to escape by charging them with sabres drawn. And yes, the Germans used cavalry too, mostly on the Eastern Front.

    In short, the generals aren't as stupid as you think.

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  21. It says: by billybob_jcv · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hello, I am a Prince of the Nairobi Royal Family and I need your help...

  22. Re:What are the lapel pins? by quacking+duck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Poignant as the words are, recently (last 10 years or so?) someone scored them to music for Remembrance Day ceremonies. Let me tell you, listening to these words from the dead, sung by school-age children, is one of the most powerful and haunting things you can hear.

  23. NURP by slew · · Score: 3, Informative

    FWIW, the NURP... at the end of the message simply identifies the carrier pigeons (NURP stands for National Union of Racing Pigeons).
    This probably has nothing to do with the message.

    The 40 and 37 indicate the year of registration and TW194 and DK76 are the "serial numbers" of the pigeon.