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Will Microsoft Dis-Kinect Freeloading TV Viewers?

theodp writes "Just when you think the cable TV viewing experience couldn't get any worse, GeekWire reports on the Microsoft Xbox Incubation team's patent-pending Consumer Detector, which uses cameras and sensors like those in the Xbox 360 Kinect controller to monitor, count and in some cases identify the people in a room watching television, movies and other content. Should the number of viewers detected exceed the limits of a particular content license, the system would halt playback unless additional viewing rights were purchased."

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  1. Re:Masking tape by JustOK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "No one is watching. Guess I'll turn off then."

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  2. more copying by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am enthusiastic about Microsoft's apparent desire to increase illegal copying.

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    1. Re:more copying by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course.. Anything to give the cops 'probable cause' to knock your door down can only be a good thing.

      Cops don't need "probable cause" to knock on your door. They can, legally, knock on your door any time.

      fuck i'm an idiot, i need to learn to read better.

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  3. Re:Masking tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today's my turn to watch the movie without wearing the burqa!

  4. Well, crap... by PieEye · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...guess I'll have to move out of my hall of mirrors. "You are licensed for two viewers...we show 185 currently watching this program."

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  5. Re:Masking tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Huxley, not Orwell. No one is forced to own/watch television.

  6. Re:Typical dual use technology by Chatsubo · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can bet your ass at some stage this will lead to your wife asking: "Why are you jerking off to C-SPAN?"

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  7. Patent != intention by tambo · · Score: 5, Informative
    This article makes a mistake that I've seen a hundred times before on Slashdot: confusing "the patent says...", and "the patentee intends to..."

    I write software patents for a living. (I didn't write this one.) Let me describe how the patent drafting process goes.

    A client comes to me with a simple invention - we'd like to do (A), (B), and (C) to achieve result (X). I talk to them at length about what (ABC) is, and what critically sets (ABC) apart from every similar example. I ask questions about how each of (A), (B), and (C) could be varied; what other elements (D), (E), and/or (F) could be added; and whether (ABC) could also be used for results (Y) or (Z).

    And when I write up the patent application, EVERYTHING goes in there. (ABC) is described as the base invention, but all of the other material about (D), (E), (F), (X), (Y), and (Z) is also included as optional extensions or uses of (ABC).

    Now, here's the critical thing: I haven't fully considered whether (D) is a desirable feature, or whether (Y) is a desirable result. My client doesn't even know, or says, "we don't really intend to implement (D) or do (X)." None of that is relevant. All that matters is: They are all logical, valid extensions of (ABC), so, typically, they all go in. Anything that could make the basic technique more valuable, appear more useful, or might more fully distinguish (ABC) over known techniques is helpful to add to the specification.

    I read this patent the same way. The basic invention is: "Use a camera to count and identify people interacting with a device." Now, you can't just stop there - you haven't said what that information might be used for, and the patent office typically rejects applications that look like, "The technique is: Generate some data." So the patent discloses several uses of that information. That doesn't mean that Microsoft has any interest in using that technique - only that it's logically achievable from the basic techniques.

    Look, we all agree that technology is neutral, right? For example, DRM has been *used* for lots of obnoxious purposes (including limiting fair-use rights), but the basic technology of DRM is neither good nor bad - it just is. The same principle applies here.

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  8. Re:Masking tape by Megane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tampering detected, TV shuts off and you're fucked.

    Fuck that, I've heard of this new show called "Outside", and you don't even need a TV to watch it. It's in super HD and it even has some sort of temperature generators, so hot stuff feels hot and cold stuff feels cold. Take that Hollywood 3-D!

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  9. Re:Masking tape by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Capitalist America, Television watches you!

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  10. Re:Masking tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it comes to the point that I have to do this just to watch a movie, I think I'll just opt out altogether and play my guitar while I watch my oscar swim around his tank.

  11. Re:Masking tape by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Kinect has (and would probably use for identification anyways) an infrared camera. I doubt a photo would work on that very well. Better idea is just don't use the damned XBox for movies if it does this.

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  12. Re:Masking tape by Fishchip · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stop presenting sensible alternatives!

  13. Ransomware was tried before by Laxator2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember that some years ago, somebody came up with another brilliant idea: Have the TV sets locked on to a particular channel when the ads are shown, and ignore anything the user does with the remote control. Return control to the user only after the ads are finished.
      And to top it off, the new "feature" included an "upgraded" service, where the user will pay extra to have the channel lock removed. Patented ransomware.

    What they did not take into account, is that people who were unknowingly buying such a thing were going to return them to the store in droves, declaring the units defective.

    This move simply smacks of desperation from M$ after their blah launch of Win8 and the Surface tablet (plus the obligatory Apple and Google tablet launches around the same time)

  14. Re:Masking tape by Custard+Horse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heat the room to 36 degrees centigrade and make everyone invisible?