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HIV Vaccine Safe Enough To Pass Phase 1 Human Trials

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from Western University in Canada: "The first human applied clinical study (SAV CT 01) using a genetically modified killed whole-virus vaccine (SAV001-H) to evaluate its safety and tolerability was initiated in March 2012. This study is a randomized, observer-blinded, placebo-controlled study of killed whole HIV-1 vaccine (SAV001-H) following intramuscular (IM) administration. Infected men and women, 18-50 years of age, have been enrolled in this study and randomized into two treatment groups to administer killed whole HIV-1 vaccine (SAV001-H) or placebo. Sumagen announced today the patient enrollment has progressed smoothly and there have been no adverse effects observed including local reactions, signs/symptoms and laboratory toxicities after SAV001-H injection in all enrolled patients to date. With these interim results, the SAV001-H has proven safety and tolerability in humans and given Sumagen confidence for the next clinical trials to prove its immunogenicity and efficacy evaluation."

141 comments

  1. What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Along with the anti-vaccine nutters?

    Clearly using real HIV viruses must be very risky and dangerous

    1. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by ClioCJS · · Score: 0

      With your ability for nuance, the debate is bound to go far!

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    2. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I dunno, I'm starting to think vaccines really do make people retarded.

    3. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Smallpond · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Along with the anti-vaccine nutters?

      Clearly using real HIV viruses must be very risky and dangerous

      Is that your informed opinion or just baseless fear and nonsense? What makes it dangerous? ..and what makes you think you're smarter than the genetic engineers who are developing it? the Internet just sucks sometimes because stupidity spreads just as fast as logic.

      Wow, since AC knows that its safe, I wonder why they are even bothering doing safety trials on already infected people. Why not just jump directly to mass inoculations?

    4. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by m.ducharme · · Score: 0

      Well, I'd rather mess with my body as little as possible when it comes to stuff like this. Vaccines aren't always a sure fire bet, and something like AIDS warrants extra circumspection. I'll wait for version 1.5 or 2.0, or 3.0, thanks.

      See, this is why they're doing phase I trials on people who are already infected with HIV. You know, like it says in the summary?

      This also mitigates the risk of unwanted kids as well as the unjust pressure feminist law has foisted on society in the context of relationships.

      What the fuck are you talking about, and what the fuck does it have to do with the article? You know what? Never mind, I don't want to know.

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    5. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You listen to what she says?

      I just stare at her tits and try to ignore her skinny legs.

      She was made for fucking and noth'in else.

    6. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

      Those are some pretty hilarious excuses for why you can't get laid. I know it's hard for virgins to understand, but seriously, AIDs is worth it.

    7. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Jenny McCarthy, maybe I'll get few more years of free sex before my middle age is over. The three decades of AIDS have been so dull.

    8. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ahead then, since you're no nutter, inoculate your children, tell us how it goes.

    9. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by aliquis · · Score: 3, Funny

      It all depends on how much you dilute it.

    10. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Along with the anti-vaccine nutters?

      Clearly using real HIV viruses must be very risky and dangerous

      You go first. If you're still healthy in 20 years, maybe I'll try it.

      LK

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    11. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This also mitigates the risk of unwanted kids as well as the unjust pressure feminist law has foisted on society in the context of relationships.

      "Waaaaaaaah I don't get to be a deadbeat dad!! Woe is me!!".

      Yeah like anyone believes you'll ever gave the chance to father a child.

    12. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those are some pretty hilarious excuses for why you can't get laid. I know it's hard for virgins to understand, but seriously, AIDs is worth it.

      Depends on how desperate you are.

      If you are not desperate you have options. You can afford to be with low risk people.

      If you will fuck anything that moves and says yes - well you are engaging in risky behavior. And what, are you going to say you didn't know that? That slut you're banging that you met in a bar 3 hours ago well just how well do you know her anyway? You trust her to be honest and forthright? Why? Her or him if thats your thing I'm not here to judge but you get the point.

      Funny thing about AIDS is that most ways you would risk contracting it involve shit you shouldn't be doing anyway for your own good for lots of non-disease related reasons. See that is a problem. It makes the "god hates fags" crowd feel vindicated. They don't deserve to be vindicated. Any real God hates nothing, obviously. Those people are douchebags. But it does make them feel justified in their little tiny minds.

    13. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This also mitigates the risk of unwanted kids as well as the unjust pressure feminist law has foisted on society in the context of relationships.

      "Waaaaaaaah I don't get to be a deadbeat dad!! Woe is me!!".

      Yeah like anyone believes you'll ever gave the chance to father a child.

      You dont go out much huh?

      Every 350 pound fatass lardass blubbery fat white chick in America has at least one half black kid.

      Im just sayin man. Some people will fuck anything. A quick fuck is just a sacrificed dignity away. Enough time passes without something desirable coming along and most ppl will cave.

    14. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please learn to recognize sarcasm.

    15. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Nocturnal+Deviant · · Score: 2

      as troll and lacking in taste/etiquette as this comment is...i did laugh...

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    16. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by somersault · · Score: 1

      seriously, AIDs is worth it.

      What the hell? Just how desperate are you? Sex is nice and all, but personally I find it more of a nice bonus when in a serious relationship, rather than something that's worth getting a life ruining disease over just for a bit of fun with some skank.

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      which is totally what she said
    17. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Any real God hates nothing, obviously. Those people are douchebags. But it does make them feel justified in their little tiny minds.

      I dunno.. If you read mythology, any real god hates EVERYTHING. ... But I agree; those "God hates fags" guys are douchebags.

    18. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I'm starting to think vaccines really do make people retarded.

      Higher population and better reporting technique makes autism and other disease more visible. If anything our diets are solely responsible for it.

    19. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Now I have to Google who it is.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Jenny+McCarthy&l=1

    20. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1

      Actually, if they are looking for volunteers, I'm more than willing. It wouldn't be the first time working around life-threatening biologicals. I was part of a team researching MRSA back in the '90's and the experimental vaccine we all had to have to work around it was no joke for side-effects (necrotizing fasciitis).

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    21. Re:What is Jenny McCarthy going to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      our diets lead us to need these absurd vaccines in the first place

      a well fuelled immune system is more than enough immunization for one human being.

  2. I wouldn't want first post on that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't want first post on the sign up list.

  3. Does that mean by starworks5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That I can tell women that I have the AIDS vaccine at the bar, and can give it to them through intra-muscular administration.

    1. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It still means Africa is going to be the last place to get the vaccine

    2. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's not the problem. Believe it or not, the problem is getting them to use it. My father has worked in Africa for more than 20 years now and there is a massive amount of distrust for this sort of thing among the native populations. Many average people even think this type of thing is a CIA plot to kill them off. With the things people have done to them over the centuries, I'm not terribly surprised, but there has been a lot of effort over the last few generations to fix that, and yet it still remains. It won't be easy to overcome.

    3. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Empathy is overrated...

    4. Re:Does that mean by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 0

      We bring them crap such as war, drugs, weapons and Christianity, and they embrace it. We instead bring them the cure for HIV, and they reject it. WTF.

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    5. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently so is trying to not run your continent like a bunch of shitholes.

    6. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the rest of us are immune, we won't much care that they want to be left alone to play with the virus. They can either learn and survive, or enjoy the "fun" as they currently are.

    7. Re:Does that mean by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, they already had war, drugs, weapons, and Christianity......

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    8. Re:Does that mean by grinchier · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have lived in Africa my whole life and that CIA plot thing is old. It's now a "plot by multi-national pharmaceutical companies". At least, it was during Thabo Mbeki's tenure as South African president (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism#In_South_Africa). AIDS awareness is alive and well here.

    9. Re:Does that mean by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      Yep. But we keep spending money on this waste of space.

      We have to stop spending money on all the world's problems.

    10. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the problem. Believe it or not, the problem is getting them to use it. My father has worked in Africa for more than 20 years now and there is a massive amount of distrust for this sort of thing among the native populations. Many average people even think this type of thing is a CIA plot to kill them off...

      Yes, it must be the CIA behind it all. I mean after all, without anyone's intervention, no one at all is dying, right? Right?

      I guess I find little pity in trying to save the ignorant. Tends to weigh down the rest of the human race.

    11. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We bring them crap such as war, drugs, weapons and Christianity, and they embrace it. We instead bring them the cure for HIV, and they reject it. WTF.

      assume it is sarcasm - but to clarify for the younger generation of 'fully vaccinated' people - cause they assume it will will turn out to be equally bad....

    12. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola: Nature, Accident, or Intentional?" by Leonard G. Horowitz and ponder the possibilities.
      http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/44113856

      http://www.amazon.com/Emerging-Viruses-Nature-Accident-Intentional/dp/0923550127/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352299099&sr=1-1&keywords=emerging+viruses

    13. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Spending money would be one thing. We're spending debt, money we don't have.
      It's the same as charging to your credit card a thanksgiving meal to a homeless person, so that you can go home and eat a can of beans.

      I'm all for charity, but you have to take care of yourself first (take care of, not live in luxury.) The country needs to get out of debt before we continue all this foreign aid.

    14. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is merit to this.

      I recall that General Chuck Yeager was stationed in Libya in the 1960's and he recalled that one of our US Aid programs there was to give out free condoms to the population. People didn't use the condoms because in Libya, white is the symbol of cleanliness, and condoms came in multiple colors, but none of them were white.

      I couldn't call them superstitious, but local cultural mores need to be factored into any kind of NGO program.

    15. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you use a fiat currency, all money is debt. There's never any "getting out of debt", there's only debt per capita.

    16. Re:Does that mean by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      strictly speaking, their wars had simpler motivations, their drugs where natural and for ceremonial use, their weapons far less advanced, and they certainly didn't have something as retarded as christianity.

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    17. Re:Does that mean by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Your sarcasm detector seems to be broken.

      Anyway, nobody asked anything from the US. Actually, you've caused most of this century's international conflicts, so please stay home.

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    18. Re:Does that mean by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      War and its motivations are as old as the hills, drugs were used just like MJ is for 'medicinal' purposes, their weapons were certainly less advanced, and their religion involved human sacrifices (and Christianity has been in Africa longer than it's been in Europe).

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    19. Re:Does that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After those previous gifts, do you really blame them for rejecting this next one?

  4. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The test for HIV tests for antibodies... So the human body already makes antibodies against HIV... So how are the antibodies for this vaccine different? *These* work? How?

    1. Re:So... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A very small percentage of the population makes them. One option for a vaccine is to try and hack that immunity into the rest of us.

    2. Re:So... by slew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I understand it, humans will always produce antibodies to fight infections like HIV. Unfortunatly, the antibodies that humans normally produce in the attempt to neutralize and HIV infection don't appear to be very good at it. The short story is that somehow HIV evolved to avoid having many fewer binding locations so the most effective "Y" shaped antibodies cannot effectively attach bivalently (in two places). This bivalent attach is apparently the most common strategies used by our immune system.

      Apparently some people can make more potent antibodies called bNAbs, but often HIV mutates to avoid these as well, but sometimes there are successes.

      I'm unclear on why this new Canadian/Korean HIV vaccine would be any better at bootstrapping the immune system than the most recent failed attempts. The only novel part that I can tell about this, is that they are using "whole" (but genetically modified) HIV instead of putting HIV protein genes codings into more common viruses, but if HIV is as crafty as it seems to be, this may only be a simple shot-in-the-dark hope that somehow bootstrapping the immune system will allow the body to come up with a way to fight off HIV before it gets a chance to overwhelm the immune system. Color me skeptical as that was what the other vaccines attempted to do, but it's not clear that this will be a successful route.

    3. Re:So... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, look at it this way:

      Worst case scenario, nothing happens. Good-case scenario, it cures aids. Best-case scenario, HIV mutates into something radically worst and gives us the zombie apocalypse we've been waiting for.

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    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww, were your mommy and daddy impatient with you when you were a kid?

    5. Re:So... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      A very interesting question.
      Especially (from the /. summary) that this vaccin is claimed to cure HIV.
      Vaccins usually empore your imune system to protect against starting infections. However they don't cure an infection that already has broken out.

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    6. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least it would be very easy to identify safe sex partners. If it moans and feels like a corpse... uh...

      Damn, my last girlfriend... I think I should get checked.

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    7. Re:So... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I think it's a bit simpler than that. Antibodies are very specific to a protein, and must be, you don't want your antibodies recognizing a protein you make yourself. Retroviruses mutate extremely fast as a result of going backwards, from RNA to DNA. I forget the numbers, but a professor in a molecular biology class I was in calculated it on the board. Given the rate of mutation, the number of viruses in an infected patient, and how fast the immune system responds, the odds of the immune system destroying all the viruses before the protein mutates and is no longer recognized by the immune system is extremely unlikely. He concluded with "That is why traditional vaccines will never succeed against HIV."

      I guess the concept here is that there are so many targets given with the current vaccine that it's unlikely a virus will have them all mutated enough to not be recognized by one of them.

    8. Re:So... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      I was referring to the very small percentage of people who are immune to HIV, and trying to figure out what causes that, and how to get it into the rest of us.

  5. subjects were already infected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it interesting that all the subjects were already HIV positive. It looks like this study only shows that it is ok to inject into a human, not that it does anything useful.

    1. Re:subjects were already infected by slew · · Score: 5, Informative

      I find it interesting that all the subjects were already HIV positive. It looks like this study only shows that it is ok to inject into a human, not that it does anything useful.

      That is all Phase I testing is: identify a safe dosage range and screening for side effects...
      Phase II, they will be attempt to determine if it does anything useful.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial#Phases

    2. Re:subjects were already infected by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup. Phase I results aren't generally considered newsworthy. Pharmaceutical companies have drugs get through phase I trials many times per year. Most turn out to not work, or to have subtle but serious side effects.

      The kinds of problems that you can actually spot in Phase I trials are the kinds of problems that would wipe out entire cities if you actually put the pills on store shelves. We're not talking about "maybe causes a 10% increase in heart attack risk" dangerous - more like "causes half those who take it to turn purple and gasp for air" dangerous.

      It is the logical first step in testing drugs on people, and it confirms that testing it on sick people isn't going to outright kill a bunch of them, and it helps you to understand how it is metabolized so that you can get the dosing about right when you start the "Real" tests.

    3. Re:subjects were already infected by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "Most turn out to not work, or to have subtle but serious side effects."

      Sure but also sometimes (sildenafil citrate) the side effects are so unsubtle that the test objects are reluctant or flatly refuse to give back the rest of the drugs after trial.

    4. Re:subjects were already infected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But usually Phase I studies are done on healthy volunteers. Because you are testing safety, you don't choose a more vulnerable group (patients), but healthy people.
      The other thing that strikes me as odd about this study is that it is not double-blinded, but observer-blinded.
      I could find no reasons for those two deviations from normal practice in TFA.

    5. Re:subjects were already infected by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

      Or you could just take 100mg of magnesium every other day.

    6. Re:subjects were already infected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to imply that erectile dysfunction can be cured with Magnesium? Who told you that?

  6. Vaccinating People Already Infected? by sandysnowbeard · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why is a vaccine useful to (and being tested on) someone already infected?

    1. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Vaccines can still be effective on people recently exposed.

    2. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because if the vaccine is still active in any way, it can't infect anyone further.

    3. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by alen · · Score: 0

      We should go ask magic Johnson

    4. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Phase 1 trials are the "prove the vaccine doesn't give you AIDS" (or cause other medical problems) stage of things.

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    5. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      guessing:
      Because HIV is the virus, not the disease. If you develop an immune response to the virus before it causes AIDS, then that's the prevention.

    6. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the highly unlikely case that it goes Horribly Wrong, it won't give them HIV again.

    7. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that It's actually possible to get DOUBLE HIV (super AIDS?). It's safe to assume, however, that the patients have been typed prior to trial entrance...

    8. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by m.ducharme · · Score: 0

      This.

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    9. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the medical definition of vaccine is different from the "normal" definition. The UK has been working on a vaccine for melanoma, a skin cancer, for a few years but only give it to patients already with the cancer. I think in this way it means making the immune system fight an "infection" that it normally would have trouble with. I'm making a guess at that because I know the only successful melanoma treatments all require getting the immue system to fight it when it normally wouldn't.

      I would think this has nothing to do with how the flu vaccine works. It probably marks the HIV virus as something the immune system will kill instead of ignore like it normally does.

    10. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2

      Actually, each strain of the virus is unique, and if an infected individual gets infected again with a different strain, it can actually make it worse.

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    11. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Think about it. They are giving someone the full blown HIV virus. Modified, but still the HIV virus. You know how people sometimes get sick with teh flu after being given flu shots? Same deal.

      Do you really want to be responsible for giving someone, who was healthy before, HIV from your experimental vaccine?
      So you test its initial or macro scale safety on people who already have HIV.

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    12. Re:Vaccinating People Already Infected? by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      Vaccinating for HIV usually has no real effect since it only immunizes the host to one HIV antigen when there a multitudes due to highly recombinant genes. The only way this vaccine could work is if it immunizes the host to all possible antigens of HIV or somehow allows the adaptive immune system to recognize some kind of shared antigen that is otherwise not recognized as being pathogenic.

      Usually vaccinating for an infection already in place is pointless since the adaptive immune system will either already be primed and active or overrun by the pathogen and unable to deal with it.

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  7. Re:Calling BS by lowlymarine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It doesn't, but then again that isn't what this stage of testing was about. But hey, I get it - reading to the end of the first sentence of the summary is a lot of work. A busy man like you can't be bothered to invest that much time before rushing off to enlighten us with your genius commentary.

  8. Re:The government created HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is not found in mankind prior the last 100 years.

    In many ways you are misguidedly correct. If the governments of Europe did not initiate their heavy colonisation of Africa during the late 19th century, it is unlikely that AIDS would have ever spread outside of the remote areas of Africa where it orginated and would not likely be the pandemic problem that it is today.

  9. Details?!? by wincel · · Score: 1

    Has anyone found any details on the genetic modification. Because ... HIV is not alive, a virus is only a blueprint for itself, which the cell starts to copy. And this copying process than leads to side effects depending on what the virus information contains - the symptoms. So a "whole virus" that is "killed" is plain nonsense. And as there are only extremely rare cases where there are therapeutically relevant anti-HIV antibodies ever (usually the restriction is T cell based or CCR5 mutations) ... a vaccine that is supposed to induce antibodies with a full virus makes no sense whatsoever.

    1. Re:Details?!? by wincel · · Score: 1

      I suppose it is that. That is just the envelope protein delivered by another virus (Vesicular Stomatitis Virus). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19264597 These mutate like crazy, so expressing a single one is not going to help much ever to generate a therapeutically active immune response. Having tons of antibody that don't work against the developing HIV mutant is of no use.

    2. Re:Details?!? by wincel · · Score: 1

      No surprise, the impact factor of the journal this system was published in is very low, just 3.36 . Good journals have at least 5-10, the top ones an impact factor of 20 and higher ... http://vir.sgmjournals.org/

    3. Re:Details?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Killed virus" means the virus is damaged to the point that they cannot be replicated, but the immune system can still recognize and remember it.

    4. Re:Details?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The usual term is "inactivated virus". I guess it got "translated" into killed for the lay press.

    5. Re:Details?!? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      A virus is made up of a protein shell containing RNA or DNA. This virus is enveloped in cell membrane and contains RNA transcriptase to generate DNA from RNA (meaning retrovirus). The virus latches to a beta T4 cell and injects RNA+transcriptase, which transcripts DNA and then inserts it into the DNA, which produces RNA to build new viruses. These viruses are packaged in a protein shell and then budded--they push against the cell wall until a lipoprotein envelope wraps around them (cell wall material), then bud off without destroying the cell (most viruses pile up until the cell ruptures from filling itself with viruses).

      Damaging or removing the RNA or DNA strand in any virus will kill it. It is then simply a protein envelope.

  10. Re:Calling BS by nedlohs · · Score: 0

    If you knew how clinical trials worked you'd understand what a phase I trial is and isn't, but apparently you'd rather just call BS and remain ignorant.

  11. It's not. by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    They're testing whether or not it's safe, not whether it will be effective.

  12. It's not a bug... by mrbluze · · Score: 1

    It's a feature!

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  13. my vaccine already works by Ruede · · Score: 0

    dont stick your penis in an unknown and untested wet hole.... or a used needle into your body. quite easy and cheap isnt it?

    1. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know that also protected against crazy people and stabby muggers. The more you know!

    2. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also don't be the child of someone with HIV, or the wife/husband of someone who gets around (esp in countries where the wife is not in a position to refuse the husband), or be in a country that isn't great with medical sterilisation.
      Or don't contract it in a freak incident such as sharing a leg razor with sister, or the other numerous ways the infection has spread through no fault of the infected.

    3. Re:my vaccine already works by JanneM · · Score: 4, Informative

      ..or get raped by somebody that is infected .Or get a blood transfusion from somebody that turned out to be infected. Or cut yourself on something with blood from an infected person.

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    4. Re:my vaccine already works by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2

      Easy and cheap, and it works, but it's not a lot of fun. Unknown, untested wet holes are exactly the place you want to be.

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    5. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've discovered a wonderful side effect of your "vaccine": it prevents the birth of idiots.

      Too bad we didn't have this vaccine back our parents' day, eh?

    6. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee. Mr No F*CKing FUN are we?

    7. Re:my vaccine already works by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Or get a blood transfusion from somebody that turned out to be infected. "

      BTW, that's the reason we don't get any more Isaak Asimov novels.

    8. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But to be fair, the freak accidents are a tiny tiny percentage of overall infections. You'd be better off statistically investing in a good motorcycle helmet and wearing it 24/7 than worrying about such cases. For the most part, GP is correct that avoiding dangerous sex/drug habits pretty much eliminates all practical risk. And yes, avoiding dangerous sex habits means not marrying the kind of douche who's involved in those habits for you. As for the "esp in countries..." bit, AIDS is the least of your problems in such a situation.

    9. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Adulterers! Sodomites! Mothers breast feeding infants over the age of four weeks! REPENT AND BE SAVED . . ."

      (from Greg Egan's "The Moral Virologist")

    10. Re:my vaccine already works by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

      How sad. I've been reading a lot of his books for the first time recently and some of them are really good. What a way to lose a great author.

    11. Re:my vaccine already works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't mean "untested for entertainment value". He meant untested for disease - otherwise I might agree with you ;-)

  14. 2nd poluation explotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, this will inevitably lead to a second population explosion in Africa.

  15. Hardly the first trial to get that far... by DrCJM · · Score: 2

    There are *lots* of HIV vaccines in development, many reaching phase I and others going further. There's even one recent phase III showing some evidence of a preventative effect.

    For a review check: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22710904

  16. Yahoo! by cyberzephyr · · Score: 1

    I'm going to cheer for these folks.

    It's been almost 20 years since i lost friends. :-(

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  17. With a little help from Bill by CityZen · · Score: 2

    From Sumagen's website:

    "Sumagen’s HIV/AIDS vaccine is also supported for its R&D cost from the HIV/AIDS vaccine development fund, jointly launched by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the government of Canada."

    1. Re:With a little help from Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all the flak Bill Gates gets in the tech world, you have to admit he trying to do a lot of good with the windfall he got with Microsoft, malaria prevention/vaccination research is just one example.
       
      I can't think of anything Steve Ballmer has done with his sums of cash. The same goes with Jobs, Ellison, and Bezos but I've never checked to see and leave it at that..

    2. Re:With a little help from Bill by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Hopefully, these vaccines work more reliably than the other Microsoft products.

      But now that I think of it, Microsoft is already quite an efficient protector against typical situations where you could get or give AIDS...

    3. Re:With a little help from Bill by canadiannomad · · Score: 1

      The same goes with Jobs

      Yeah, I sure hope Jobs gets off his lazy ass and starts donating some of his money to charity after he retires......

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  18. An anonymous Geeknet customer paid for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what it should say, "not an anonymous reader writes". Another one of those paid pharma stories and
    this is not even the target segment, the world knows Slashdot Geeks don't get laid ever. Anyhow most of Geeknet's
    business is to place paid for articles on sites they own such as slashdot and this is what happened

    As far as the 'vaccine' itself is concerned, be my guest let them shoot you up with this crap I will not give you a
    cent when I see you begging at the traffic light because of all the neurological damage it dealt you.

  19. It's the University of Western Ontario by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    There is no (Canadian) Western University. It's the University of Western Ontario, sometimes called "Western" for short, but never Western University. It's also only western if you're from southern Ontario since its actually located in the south east corner of the province.

    1. Re:It's the University of Western Ontario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They rebranded themselves as the "Western University of Canada" a year or two ago. So technically the summary has it right. It sounds stupid, I know ... especially since they're located in Central/Eastern Canada.

  20. the low-risk choice by r00t · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you will fuck anything that moves and says yes - well you are engaging in risky behavior.

    Definitely. The low-risk choice is to find something that says no, then make it stop moving.

  21. Re:Or, stop buttfucking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mom liked it.

  22. Re:you need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I know I shouldn't (and for all I know the US child support system is totally screwed) but dude, those are his kids, kids cost money and effort to raise, and he needs to provide 50% of both. If he loses his job, then surely these things get re-assessed (I know they do in my country). His kids welfare matters, not his, and if they've been raised by their mother so far, then obviously a judge is going to have her continue to provide that care.

    Sorry, but men's choice point over kids is at choosing to have sex, women get a little bit longer than that - but then they have a lot more invested in it. Plenty of women are maimed or die having babies, but I suspect a vanishingly small number of men risk their lives when having sex!

  23. And it does not help when tehy are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean when you see we got bin laden thru such a vaccination program... That does not help cement the trust into doctors.

  24. Re:It is dangerous. Very dangerous. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean that stuff cures HIV and on top of it I get a fashion sense and a higher mean income? Sign me up!

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  25. Six month trial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that ought to be enough. Let's rush it through before any long-term effects get noticed.

  26. Re:you need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sorry, but no. If a woman becomes pregnant and wants to keeps the child while the man wants an abortion then that child should be the sole responsibility of the woman. She chose to have sex too, she chose not to use any kind of birth control too and ultimately she decided that she wanted to keep the child.

    No more of this inequality. This bullshit were a woman can basically trap a man for his money or his life by forcing him to have her child with her.

  27. Re:It is dangerous. Very dangerous. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Yes, but the down side is that it also comes with a strong attraction towards other people who also have fashion sense and a higher mean income.

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  28. Re:The government created HIV by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2
    Of course it wasn't found prior to the last 100 years. HIV is difficult to detect with current medical technology, and the most obvious effect is AIDS. But no one dies of AIDS, they die of whatever their weakened immune system was unable to fight off, such as a common cold.

    Oh, and which government do you think had the ability to engineer a lentivirus 100 years ago? Because I'd like them to provide my healthcare...

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  29. Dr Sebi by johnov · · Score: 1

    Search Dr Sebi on youtube, he had been curing cancer for more than a decade just by herbs.

    1. Re:Dr Sebi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a spam account. Check out his bizarre user page.

  30. HIV doesn't cause AIDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spending money on things like this is a waste. HIV is a harmless virus that has existed in humans at least 100 years before AIDS started killing us off in the 80s. AIDS drugs actually do more to cause AIDS than HIV which does nothing especially since your body developes antibodies as soon as you're infected making it dormant at the worst.

    1. Re:HIV doesn't cause AIDS by andreasg · · Score: 1

      Cool story, bro.

  31. Re:you need to know by sexconker · · Score: 0

    I know I shouldn't (and for all I know the US child support system is totally screwed) but dude, those are his kids, kids cost money and effort to raise, and he needs to provide 50% of both. If he loses his job, then surely these things get re-assessed (I know they do in my country). His kids welfare matters, not his, and if they've been raised by their mother so far, then obviously a judge is going to have her continue to provide that care.

    Sorry, but men's choice point over kids is at choosing to have sex, women get a little bit longer than that - but then they have a lot more invested in it. Plenty of women are maimed or die having babies, but I suspect a vanishingly small number of men risk their lives when having sex!

    Things typically don't get reassessed.
    You have to fight long and hard to prove that you're not earning $X and thus you should have to only pay $Y.
    But the court will say you're willfully underemployed and throw you in jail for violating an order to get a better job.
    While in jail your fines continue to rack up and you'lre fucked forever.

    It's always hilarious when people say women bear all the responsibility of having children when they are the ones with all the choices to drop their responsibility. Men are the ones with zero choice in the matter, even when raped, and men are the ones who are forced into slavery for children they cannot afford. If a woman has a child she cannot afford, she can abort it, kill it and claim postpartum, drop it off at a fire station, give it up for adoption, or keep it and live off the state and whatever man she can get on the hook as the presumptive father (it doesn't have to be the actual father).

    If men had the ability to waive all rights to, and thus responsibility for, a child once they're formally informed of its existence, then there would be a LOT fewer unwanted children in the world. But the courts don't want that, they want to siphon off $$$ from support payments.

  32. Does your current insurance cover this? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to get rid of HIV and other disease, then you'll have to wait for National Health Care since your inusrance isn't going to pay for it.

  33. Infected men and women by Punto · · Score: 1

    I don't think they understand what a vaccine is?

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    1. Re:Infected men and women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you just don't understand what phase I clinical trials are.

  34. Re:It is dangerous. Very dangerous. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    A small price to pay. I mean, what's the problem? At least he won't get pregnant, and I can keep my high mean income!

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  35. Re:It is dangerous. Very dangerous. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Actually, in all seriousness, my gay friends tell me that the biggest down side is more or less the opposite of what I said: there's a significant chance that anyone that they're attracted to won't even be interested in people the same gender as them, let alone them specifically. If you think that gay people make up around 5% of the population, there's a one in twenty chance that someone they find attractive will also be gay. And if they are, the probability of them being gay, single, and attracted to you is even lower. At least for heterosexuals start with a nineteen in twenty chance before adding in the other factors...

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