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Google Security Engineer Issues Sophos Warning

angry tapir writes "Google security engineer Tavis Ormandy discovered several flaws in Sophos antivirus and says the product should be kept away from high value information systems unless the company can avoid easy mistakes and issue patches faster. Ormandy has released a scathing 30-page analysis (PDF) 'Sophail: Applied attacks against Sophos Antivirus,' in which he details several flaws 'caused by poor development practices and coding standards,' topped off by the company's sluggishly response to the warning he had working exploits for those flaws. One of the exploits Ormandy details is for a flaw in Sophos' on-access scanner, which could be used to unleash a worm on a network simply by targeting a company receiving an attack email via Outlook. Although the example he provided was on a Mac, the 'wormable, pre-authentication, zero-interaction, remote root' affected all platforms running Sophos. (Ormandy released the paper as an independent researcher, not in his role as a Google employee.)"

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  1. Can someone explain by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why a user would not simply install MS Security Essentials and be done with it?

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    1. Re:Can someone explain by Rennt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Users don't install Sophos. It's the kind of product that is marketed to the CEO level (thus forced on enterprise IT departments).

    2. Re:Can someone explain by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Security essentials is packaged for businesses as Forefront, and can be managed centrally.

      Being "massive in the enterprise market" doesnt mean youre good at it.

    3. Re:Can someone explain by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bingo. I work at a large fortune 10 company with a few hundred thousand employees and it seems like a monthly occurrence where Sophos actively gets in the way. If it's not flagging benign content, it's causing resource problems on end-user systems. To call their support sluggish would be doing it a kindness. I believe we're actively looking for a replacement.

    4. Re:Can someone explain by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Funny

      I could email you a PDF to install that replacement for you...

      No, not a PDF on *how* to install it, one that *would* do so (or rather, cause Sophos to do so) as soon as it entered your email server! :-)

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    5. Re:Can someone explain by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Informative

      Security essentials is packaged for businesses as Forefront

      You're so last month! We're calling it System Center Endpoint Protection now, because it rolls off the tongue more naturally.

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  2. MS Security Essentials on a Mac? by dclozier · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think there's an app for that. ;)

  3. Released.... in August! by BLKMGK · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was the subject of a talk given at Black Hat (or was it DEFCON?) in August out in 'Vegas. Why it's news now suddenly is a mystery to me. The guy did thoroughly hack the product to include reversing it's signature encryption (homebrew crypto?!) and figuring out that some features simply didn't work. However at the time of the talk he also told the audience that he had been working with the company and that they had changed some things and would be switching to standard crypto. I'd still agree the company comes across as slimy since some of their claims were pure crap (some signatures apparently obviously machine generated despite claims they didn't do that etc.) but now months later to post this like it's news? Really? Maybe he should have had this paper ready to roll right after the talk?

    http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-us-11/bh-us-11-briefings.html#Ormandy

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    1. Re:Released.... in August! by BLKMGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh yeah, I asked the guy after his talk if he was going to research any other AV products - his response was that no he wasn't. I wish he would or that perhaps someone else would. I'm pretty sure Sophos isn't the high bar in AV but I'm betting that there may be some others with some pretty crappy behavior out there that haven't been highlighted. Why not give them a shot too? Wasn't clear why these guys were such a target although he did mention their being used in various hardware products as an AV engine as part of the reason .

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  4. Official Sophos Response. by Deathlizard · · Score: 5, Informative

    From http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/11/05/tavis-ormandy-sophos/ and reprinted here in case of slashdotting...

    As a security company, keeping customers safe is Sophos's primary responsibility. As a result, Sophos experts investigate all vulnerability reports and implement the best course of action in the tightest time period possible.

    Recently, researcher Tavis Ormandy contacted Sophos about an examination he had done of Sophos's anti-virus product, identifying a number of issues:

    A remote code execution vulnerability was discovered in how the Sophos anti-virus engine scans malformed Visual Basic 6 compiled files. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 10 September 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers completed: 22 October 2012 (42 days later)

    The Sophos web protection and web control Layered Service Provider (LSP) block page was found to include a XSS flaw. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 10 September 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers completed: 22 October 2012 (42 days later)

    An issue was identified with the BOPS technology in Sophos Anti-Virus for Windows and how it interacted with ASLR on Windows Vista and later. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 10 September 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers completed: 22 October 2012 (42 days later)

    An issue was identified in how Sophos protection interacts with Internet Explorer's Protected Mode. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 10 September 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers cbegan: 5 November 2012 (56 days later)

    Vulnerabilities were found in how Sophos's anti-virus engine handles malformed CAB files. These vulnerabilities could cause the Sophos engine to corrupt memory. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 10 September 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers completed: 22 October 2012 (42 days later)

    Vulnerabilities were found in how Sophos's anti-virus engine handles malformed RAR files. These vulnerabilities could cause the Sophos engine to corrupt memory. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 10 September 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers began: 5 November 2012 (56 days later)

    A remote code execution vulnerability was discovered in how the Sophos anti-virus engine scans malformed PDF files. Sophos has seen no evidence of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 5 October 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers began: 5 November 2012 (31 days later)

    Tavis Ormandy has provided examples of other malformed files which can cause the Sophos anti-virus engine to halt - these are being examined by Sophos experts. Sophos has seen no evidence of this occurring in the wild.
    First reported to Sophos: 4 October 2012
    Roll-out of a fix for Sophos customers will begin: 28 November 2012 (55 days later)

    Best practice
    Sophos customers are reminded of the following best practices:

    1. Keep systems patched and up to date

    2. Upgrade to the latest version of Sophos software to get the best protection

    Responsible disclosure
    Sophos believes in responsible disclosure.

    The work of Tavis Ormandy, and others like him in the research community, who choose to work alongside security companies, can significantly strengthen software products. On behalf of its partners and customers, Sophos appreciates Tavis Ormandy's efforts and responsible approach.

    1. Re:Official Sophos Response. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's worse?
      1. That a security company had so many serious flaws in a flagship product
      2. That the same security company considers it OK to take (on average) over 40 days to fix the issues. Remember that this is an Anti-virus product. One of the main use cases is to respond quickly to flaws in other software, to cover the period between the flaw becoming known, and the vendor releasing a fix.
      3. That most clients won't see a problem with 2.

  5. Re:Hospital by myxiplx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No way to easily report the files? You just email them in, a 30 second phone call to Sophos will get you the details.

    In a previous role we would help clean users home computers from time to time, and we discovered a good number of new viruses. I submitted half a dozen viruses to Sophos that weren't being picked up by any virus scanners. They confirmed them all within a few days, and signatures were added within weeks. The whole process is incredibly easy.