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Motorcycle App Helps You Ride Faster, Turn Sharper, Brake Harder

Posted by samzenpus on from the machine-assisted dept.

Hugh Pickens writes "Alexander George writes about a new app that takes the data from a smartphone's accelerometers, GPS, and inclinometer to plot information for braking force, lean angles, speed, and on-track location onto Google Maps to shave precious milliseconds off each lap time in motorcycle races. Race Sense is designed to be a useful tool for someone who races for a living and a very fun toy for those who just like to brag about what lean angle they got at their ride day, and what top speed they reached down the main straight. Australian Grand Prix motorcycle road racer Anthony West provided much of the R&D that went into tweaking the app. 'With sponsorship's so hard to find and I need another way to survive. I spent some of my own money developing it with an Italian guy who also likes to ride himself, and who writes programs,' says West who designed Race Sense to fulfill the needs of a genuine MotoGP racer. 'Sometimes it's one second [separating] 20 people. If you adjust one little thing thinking about something in one corner you can lose four places.'"

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  1. This will probably kill people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have the feeling that people are going to try using this to perform techniques that are above their skill level. They will probably die. Its awesome for racers who are trying to shave time off their laps, and who are in a controlled setting. For most riders, I think this will lead to a slight increase in fatalities.

    1. Re:This will probably kill people. by Random+Data · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or it could save people by letting them realise just how awful their riding skills are, with some pointers to improve them. Watching people try to drive or ride on a twisty road shows you just how poor most of them are at picking lines, making corrections if required, and judging entry/exit speeds. This is supposed to be used on racetracks, which means the local fun roads will be tracked/mapped about 3 seconds later.

    2. Re:This will probably kill people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good news for those in need of organs!

    3. Re:This will probably kill people. by mrbluze · · Score: 2

      I have the feeling that people are going to try using this to perform techniques that are above their skill level. They will probably die. Its awesome for racers who are trying to shave time off their laps, and who are in a controlled setting. For most riders, I think this will lead to a slight increase in fatalities.

      This app would make an excellent gift for certain people...

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    4. Re:This will probably kill people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hopefully, the people using this will either mount the phone on the tank or on the tail so it is out of view.

      This won't stop irresponsible people from being irresponsible, but at the track we tape over things that could be distracting to the eyes (speedometers, lap timers, etc) that way we don't try to check them instead of watching the turns/other riders/turtles that may be trying to hitch hike.

      And no, you don't need to see the speedometer at the track. Your gut/butthole provide much more feedback in much less time than it would take for your brain to process looking at the speedometer. Although, again, a lot of these things are actually out of view of the rider because of the posture you're in.

    5. Re:This will probably kill people. by 2fuf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Smart phone apps don't kill people, reckless drivers kill people.

    6. Re:This will probably kill people. by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      perform techniques that are above their skill level

      Not a rider, so I don't know, but if you perform the "technique" of turning, isn't that "your skill level?" How else do you learn to take a corner well, if not trying to corner well?

    7. Re:This will probably kill people. by fche · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... including that belief system wherein one may judge and disrespect other people's belief system(s) ?

    8. Re:This will probably kill people. by fafaforza · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right. You aren't looking at the device while riding. You look at it after putting in a few laps to see where you're losing time. You analyze the data, go back out to alter your braking point, acceleration point, etc, put in a few laps, and compare.

    9. Re:This will probably kill people. by deroby · · Score: 2

      Just wondering, but isn't the speedometer a necessity in racing ? As is some indication that you're over-revving the machine for instance ?
      => Sure, your "gut" can guesstimate how hard you're turning into a corner but if you KNOW it can be done at speed x, then why assume that you can 'feel' it better than (or just as good as) a quick glance at the speedometer ? Feels like a lost opportunity if you actively shut it out.... Heck, you probably could have the app tell you if you're above or below the 'required' speed using some kind of signal (audibly (probably not an option as those racebikes make one hell of a noise, really not my cup of tea) or visibly via some light that's mounted in the peripheral of your eyes. Red = too fast, blue = too slow, green = within margin). You'd still need to decide if you go along with it, but I'd guess that it would make you think twice to add that little bit of extra when science predicts you won't make it.

      On a related note : I've found myself on the road going into situations where I assumed my speed was x while in fact it was well above that... (*) Luckily I don't have to drive 'at the edge' and so at worst I was mildly surprised and needed to brake a bit harder than foreseen; but I guess when you're flirting with the laws of physics you don't have that luxury.

      (*: I guess this happens when doing a long drive and the brain seems to get used to the speed, or maybe I just got drowsy, not impossible either. In each case, IMHO 70 kph in the first 5 minutes always feels faster than 70 kph after doing an hour of 120 kph on the highway)

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    10. Re:This will probably kill people. by Walter+White · · Score: 2

      One risk for riders is to follow someone more skillful than themselves. That can result in getting in over their head and resulting in a crash. I suppose that's the risk the GP alludes to.

      OTOH, the app could simply satisfy someone's curiosity about their riding. I suspect I would discover that I don't lean near as far as I think I do. ;)

    11. Re:This will probably kill people. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, racebikes don't have speedos. Anyways a speedo has nothing to do with overrevving, if you're concerned at that you should be looking at the tachometer, not the speedometer.

      Racers (at least motorcycle racers, I donno about cars) don't think in terms of "Ok next corner is a 75mph corner". They think in gears, as in "This is a third-gear corner and I should be at 7000 rpm when I begin my drive out of the corner"

    12. Re:This will probably kill people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't look at your gauge cluster. It's too far out of view (racers don't sit on top of their bikes, they hang off the sides). Honestly, I don't know anyone that even looks at their tach. We have shift lights, but you can tell where you're at in the rev range based on sound and power delivery. And in the event you forget then your rev limiter will remind you. :-)

      What some people don't know, or don't realize, is that at the track there's only one thing you are focusing on and that's the next turn. So you're fully aware of your velocity, where you need to brake, where you need your body, and where you need the bike. 99% of the time the only place you're looking is where you want to go, which is way out in front of your bike. And your bike is capable of a lot more than you are, so almost always your limiting factor is what you /think/ is the limit, so your gut gets tight and your butthole closes shut when you start to test your limits. Your brain will recognize if you're going into a turn 1mph faster than you have in the past and it will let you know in every way it knows how (more adrenaline, an "OH SHIT" feeling, total panic, whatever you're set up to do).

      Whereas when you're driving on the road you're worried about paying a bill when you get home, or who let the DJ play that crappy song, or what a road sign up ahead says. You get lost in thought, you realize you don't remember the last kilometer of driving, or whatever. Not because you're bad drivers, just because the different circumstances give you a luxury of time.

    13. Re:This will probably kill people. by cellocgw · · Score: 2

      Would you care to elaborate? We should all respect Scientology or the Flat Earth Society?

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  2. "If you adjust one little thing" by Neil_Brown · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the additional weight of a smartphone count as one little thing?

    1. Re:"If you adjust one little thing" by TwentyCharsIsNotEnou · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope. A racing driver will test in many conditions, with various fuel loads being one of the main considerations. If they were actually to be so picky, they'd just reduce the fuel level by the weight of the phone.

  3. Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit by nloop · · Score: 4, Informative

    Really? A plug for a paid app? I feel like you're trolling me slashdot. The only possible reason I can see to post this is as prologue to an American lawsuit the first time a user dies using this app on a highway.

    On a similar note, perhaps a story about the lawsuit against Strava would be more appropriate? A free cycling gps app that has the ability to ghost race yourself, your friends, and strangers was sued for negligence when a user broke the laws of the road trying to win a virtual race and was killed in traffic. See what I did there? A piece of free software, most people own a bicycle, tricky legal questions arising from technology, more than just an add.

    But hey, what do I know? I'm no Samzenpus!

    1. Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I agree with your overall objection of this being neither newsworthy or anything more than an advertisement, the stub says that this is a track day app. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't function on normal roads, just like the Nissan GTR disables a speed limiter only when you're on a track (by GPS location).

      If it does work on the road, then maybe people should take some responsibility for their own actions and not race on the fucking road.

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    2. Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit by pev · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some of us quite like reading about interesting technology, especially those that ride motorcycles! It's also interesting to hear about lone developers working on things that were previously only in reach of professionals with large budgets i.e. race teams with money to spend. Oh, and of course theres a good healthy slice of physics involved too. Great stuff.

      On another note, slashdot would be REALLY dull if it never mentioned products that you have to pay for! Of course if you don't like it, you can always filter your feed to only include open source stories and you'll be blissfully ignorant of the other stories...

  4. New evidence for speeding violations... coming up! by LostMonk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you really want your smartphone collecting information about you when you're fooling around on your bike? more evidence your for future speeding tickets? I can already see court orders waiting in line for the company's data.

  5. Two wheels by rossdee · · Score: 2

    All you have to do is hit a patch of gravel in the middle of a corner, or wet lane markings or something spilled on the road...Even small animals can be a problem

    Theres only a small patch of rubber that is keeping you from hitting the road at high speed

    Been there done that have the scars...

  6. Re:tech helps by fafaforza · · Score: 2

    Out of curiosity, what do you think this app actually does?

    When a scientist uses a measuring device to better understand something that he couldn't understand fully with a naked eye, is he cheating? Living a lie? Are we as human beings big frauds because we use microscopes and know about things like bacteria and mold? Should we kill half our population because they should be dead from cholera and do not deserve to be here?

    These are some confusing sentiments I'm reading on here regarding a simple data logging app...

  7. Re: No need to lie by nloop · · Score: 2

    He exceeded the posted speed limit by 10 mph then braked to avoid an oncoming car when he lost control. So yes, he both "broke the laws of the road" and was "killed in traffic."

    http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2012/08/13/suing-strava/

  8. Re:but it wont.. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    This is true, but you should consider the kind of inked-up rockabilly chick you're more likely to attract with a Harley, whereas a horrendously overpriced Italian bike (or reasonable facsimile) will attract the classy gold-diggers ;)

    Plus why satisfy her before the ride's over with a lumpy V-twin, when a smooth performance engine will tease her halfway there >:)

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  9. Comments from a motorcycle racer by Burning1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am actually a motorcycle racer. First thing: Apps like this have been around for years, and hardware to accomplish the same thing has been around for even longer. This appears to be more or less a slashvertisment.

    To address a couple of points above: I don't really see apps like this being a safety issue. Very few street riders use data-loggers or lap timers. While lap timers may encourage risk taking, data loggers almost certainly wont. The use to us for data-loggers is to establish strategy, and analyze riding technique. It's useful as a teaching tool to identify bad riding habits (mid-line corrections, over-braking, etc.) It's great for comparing two different approaches to a corner to identify which is faster. Data loggers are very useful on a closed circuit where you can easily take the same corner a dozen times over a two hour period. Few street riders will pay that much attention to a single corner*, and the data is rarely useful because of changing road conditions.

    The additional weight of a smart-phone or full data logging system is pretty much irrelevant at most levels of racing. The value of the data obtained far exceeds the cost of the weight. Many of us also mount cameras (Go Pro, Countour, etc.) which also add aerodynamic drag and weight.

    Using a datalogger in traffic is pointless. The traffic it's self adds too many variables to make the data meaningful.

    Finally, no one uses a data logger to 'turn sharper.' On a motorcycle, turning radius is usually limited by rider confidence first, and cornering clearance second. It can be increased with training and proper technique. If there was an app that said "you could probably lean further" then yes, such an app would be dangerous. Modern bikes however, already come with such a feature (peg feelers.)

    * On a given weekend, you'll find me walking around any track I ride, looking at surface irregularities, camber angle, analyzing lines, etc. We pay huge attention to each corner.