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Samsung's Galaxy S III Steals Smartphone Crown From iPhone

zacharye writes "The best-selling smartphone in the world is no longer an iPhone. New data released on Thursday by market research firm Strategy Analytics finds that Samsung's Galaxy S III was the world's top-selling smartphone model in the third quarter this year, displacing Apple's iPhone for the first time in years. Samsung announced earlier this week that cumulative Galaxy S III channel sales reached the 30 million unit milestone and according to Strategy Analytics, 18 million of those were shipped in Q3 2012. During the same period, Apple shipped an estimated 16.2 million iPhone 4S handsets, slipping into the No.2 spot for the quarter..." Also at Slash Cloud.

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  1. Samsung is better than Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's why. :p

    1. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by kav2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Love the moderation on this one. Currently "Informative", but every single descriptor fits if you think about it.

    2. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do you think Apple is, exactly? There is prior art for every single patent Apple used against Samsung when they won in Germany, just for example. A funny take on a couple aspects of this: http://9gag.com/gag/5195630

    3. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not as easy as you think to be able to hide behind the Anonymous Coward moniker, Mr. Cook.

    4. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everyone is better than Apple. Apple stole every single "innovation" that they have ever laid claim to.

    5. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      he may be "stupid" by anon definition, but it doesn't mean he's inaccurate.

    6. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by Ziggitz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Were you trying to be ironic by linking to a site that contains zero original content?

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    7. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by Tangential · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's why. :p

      According to the article:
      However, the Galaxy S3’s position as the world’s best-selling smartphone model is likely to be short-lived. The Apple iPhone 5 has gotten off to a solid start already with an estimated 6.0 million units shipped globally during Q3 2012. We expect the new iPhone 5 to out-ship Samsung’s Galaxy S3 in the coming fourth quarter of 2012 and Apple should soon reclaim the title of the world’s most popular smartphone model

      So I guess at that point they won't be better.

      What would make this analysis more interesting would be to compare units sold, not just shipped.

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    8. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IP-stealing criminals.

      There's no such thing.

      1) There's no such thing as "intellectual property"
      2) Repeating a number someone else utters isn't stealing.
      3) Even conceding the ridiculous premise that points 1 and 2 are incorrect, "IP stealing," as you put it, would be a tort, not a crime.

    9. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple has the advantage that they only sell one phone and call it the iPhone. Samsung on the other hand has many Samsung Galaxy devices. A similar phenomenon exists for LG Optimus phones. So almost all of Apple's sales are concentrated on a single device. I wonder who sells more phones overall. Or more important, who makes more profit overall. I think Apple is still king on that one.

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    10. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by jakimfett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I think you mistook his meaning. If you have an Idea, I can copy it. If you use your Idea to make something, I can use that same Idea to make something too. If my use of the Idea isn't a copy of your product/implementation of the Idea, it's not a copy of what you did.

      Intellectual Property shouldn't exist (no claim has been made about actual property). You shouldn't be able to lay exclusive claim to an Idea.

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    11. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2

      I disagree. Woz's designs for the hardware on the original Apples were certainly innovations, and also original.

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    12. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      You might be new around here, so let me explain the thinking. Note that I personally don't necessarily agree with this, but I know how to apply the Principle of Charity.

      "IP" is an umbrella term which describes at least four things: copyright, patent, trademark and trade secret. These four things are very different, and obey very different rules. Moreover, terms like "IP protection" do seem to be thrown around in such a way that either the person using the term is confused that "IP" means four distinct things, or are deliberately trying to confuse the person they're talking to into blurring the important distinction between those things.

      Not only that, but it blurs the distinction (possibly deliberately, possibly not) with the laws of "property", something which copyright, patent, trademark and trade secret are not. In particular, so-called "IP" is covered under civil law, where property is dealt with under criminal law.

      Let's take the example of the book you wrote, which I copy without permission. This is copyright infringement. It is not "theft" or "stealing" of "IP", because there is no "property" of which you have been deprived.

      I haven't stolen anything from you or anyone else; you still have your copies, and everyone else has theirs. I haven't even stolen a "right"; you still have the right to copy it, exploit it commercially, publicly perform it and so on, and moreover these are all rights you would still have even if there were no copyrights.

      Copyright is not a piece of property you posess which I can steal. It is a restriction imposed on me (and everyone else) which I can break.

      And it's not an absolute restriction, either. I'm allowed to copy parts of the book, or even the whole book, under certain circumstances, and you can't do a damn thing about it.

      The phrase "IP doesn't exist" simply means that what you "intellectual property" is not a thing, not "property", and an unhelpful and confusing term.

      Did that help?

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    13. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      It's an overgeneralization to say that apple never had any innovations, but it's not a stretch to say apple doesn't create very much, they just refine things.

    14. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has the advantage that they only sell one phone and call it the iPhone. Samsung on the other hand has many Samsung Galaxy devices. A similar phenomenon exists for LG Optimus phones. So almost all of Apple's sales are concentrated on a single device. I wonder who sells more phones overall.

      I was waiting for it. The bad excuse that fanboys use to convince themselves this isn't happening. The different SGS 3 devices are akin to the fact Apple sells Iphones with Samsung, LG or Sharp screens, or the fact they have a 16, 32 or 64 GB SKU or do you honestly think there is no hardware difference between the Sprint/Verizon CDMA Iphones and the GSM Iphones? The SGS3 outsold the Iphone, you need to deal with it.

      Or more important, who makes more profit overall. I think Apple is still king on that one.

      You're right that this is important to a lot of people, but not for the reason you think. The fact that Apple is making more profit than Samsung per unit means that by buying a Samsung, I will likely get a much better deal.

      The litany of predictions does not bode well for Apple. In the beginning Apple fanboys said "Android will never sell" and Android sold.

      Next Apple fanboys said "Android would never outsell Iphones" and Android outsold Iphones.

      Then they said, "No single Android device will outsell Iphones" and the SGS3 outsold the Iphone.

      Please predict something epic next, I enjoy seeing them proven wrong.

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    15. Re:Samsung is better than Apple by Xest · · Score: 2

      "I think Apple is still king on that one."

      They are, but will that still hold true when Apple is eventually forced to pay all the patent royalties it owes but that it has been refusing to license?

      Effectively a non-trivial amount of their profit margin over their competitors is because they're not licensing the likes of FRAND and non-FRAND patents that they're legally obligated to.

  2. And if Samsung is the King... by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 4, Funny

    then surely the HTC is the Queen, primarily because it got f****d.

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    1. Re:And if Samsung is the King... by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      HTC's mistake was Sense and bloatware. All but their highest-end phones are completely unusable, and the high end ones are still crap compared to the competition. They have no one to blame but themselves.

    2. Re:And if Samsung is the King... by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would argue there biggest mistake was getting rid of the keyboard.

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    3. Re:And if Samsung is the King... by compro01 · · Score: 2

      HTC's mistakes were bootloader locking, not including microSD card slots or replaceable batteries in the One line, and getting rid of the Z line of keyboard phones. Associating themselves with Beats probably didn't help matters either.

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    4. Re:And if Samsung is the King... by eyegone · · Score: 2

      Nope. It's "fscked".

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  3. Why is the comparision made against the iPhone 4s? by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is the iPhone 4S outselling the iPhone 5 for some reason? Why is the current Samsung model being compared against Apple's last year model? I'm confused.

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  4. Its simply a better phone by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I'm sure the apple maps thing didn't help, the SIII just seems more sleek and modern. I've had a few android phones and they've always seemed like "almost but not quite" compared to Apple. In this latest round, head to head with the IPhone5 you can't really make an argument based on interface, design, screen size, speed, app quality, etc. Its all there, and I can't help but feel like Apple got complacent. Android has seen revolutionary upgrades to its OS, IOS hasn't taken the big leaps and now they're paying for it.

  5. But iPhone 5? by whitelabrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The iPhone 5 will absolutely CRUSH in Q4. Not a hater. I'm one of the GS3's in that Q3 number. I was about to buy the iPhone 5 but then Amazon was selling the GS3 for $99 and got my attention. That was that.

    1. Re:But iPhone 5? by wile_e8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but this is yet another data point along with Android-overtaking-iOS timeline. First it was all Android phones outselling iPhones for a quarter. Then it was all Android phones overtaking iPhones in market share, but the iPhone massively outselling any single Android phone. Now one Android phone outsold the iPhone for one quarter, if only for the worst iPhone quarter, but I'm expecting it to become more of a regular occurrence in the future.

      Although a lot of people will be dismissing these numbers as irrelevant outside of fanboi dick-measuring, they do matter. The Android phone app ecosystem was far behind the iOS phone ecosystem until the Android marketshare started too large for it to be ignored, and now they are effectively equivalent. However, when it comes to physical phone accessories, iPhones are massively more supported then any Android phone (at least as far as I can tell from personal observation). Once certain Android phones start selling in numbers comperable to iPhones, the accessory support will follow.

      Also, now that Google has started focusing on tablets, I'm expecting a similar pattern on those in the future.

    2. Re:But iPhone 5? by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Numbers like this absolutely do matter outside fanboy circles. As I pointed out in another thread yesterday, Apple has lost 20% of it's share price in the 7 weeks since it hit it's all time high, shaving $130bn off the value of the company.

      This figure has actually now increased to 22% including today's trading figures upping that dollar loss in value substantially more. Whether this is because of this news, or the story about them losing their Facetime patent battle I'm not sure:

      http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL+Interactive#symbol=aapl;range=20120919,20121108;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

      There seems little doubt Apple is faltering now, as their legal strategy has largely fallen flat in all but their own backyard too. The only question is whether they can do anything with next years product releases (iPad 4 and iPhone 6), or release any new devices in new markets to reverse the current trend. If they can't do that then I'd argue they're in pretty severe trouble, the vast majority of their profits are based on their mobile offerings right now. I imagine It'll be an interesting 2013 for those watching Apple one way or another, either a tragic plummet (if iPhone/iPad sales struggle they inherently suffer a risk of iTunes store content and app purchases plummeting too) or an impressive comeback.

      Either way, the tides have certainly changed against Apple this last month or two for the time being at least, despite two new major product releases.

  6. The Galaxy S III is nice, but.... by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    ...there are better phones, IMHO. For instance, the Samsung Galaxy Note II - gorgeous 5" super-AMOLED display, powerful hardware (CPU+RAM) and stylus input - perfection.
    There's even a docking station to connect it to keyboard, mouse and monitor. It's just the kind of phone that keeps a nerd happy.

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    1. Re:The Galaxy S III is nice, but.... by claytongulick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I just bought one on T-Mobile - most amazing piece of technology I've ever owned. Absolutely stunning.

      At first I was worried that the whole Pen thing would be a useless gimmick, but I use the damn thing all the time. For jotting down quick notes, it's actually as usable as carrying around a paper notebook, which has always been the bar I've measured these things against.

      In all the technology I've owned over the years, PDA's, tablets, smartphones etc... they've never given me the ability to do away with paper/pencil notebook. This actually has, which is fantastic.

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    2. Re:The Galaxy S III is nice, but.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Are you talking about the Galaxy Note II? The GS3 does not come with a stylus, although you can buy one for it.

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  7. iPhone 4s? by grnbrg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm as much a fandroid as anyone else, but GSIII vs iPhone 4s is a bit disingenuous. The iPhone 5 showed up part way through the 3rd quarter, didn't it?

    How did the GSIII fare against the iPhone 4s plus the iPhone 5 numbers? Seems to me to be a more fair comparison....

    grnbrg.

    1. Re:iPhone 4s? by Juba · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How did the GSIII fare against the iPhone 4s plus the iPhone 5 numbers? Seems to me to be a more fair comparison....

      And many people postponed an iPhone 4S purchase because they knew the iPhone 5 was going to be shipped. So it doesn't seem a pertinent period of time to do such a comparison.

    2. Re:iPhone 4s? by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      Wait, so you want to compare one model (GSIII) against two models (4S + 5)? That would seem to skew the numbers even more. If you're going to go that route, do all Samsung phones vs all Apple phones or all Android vs all iOS, etc.

    3. Re:iPhone 4s? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not supposed to be a fair comparison. It's supposed to be 2012Q3 sales figures. The press is trying to spin it into a story. If you want just the raw numbers from TFA:

      Galaxy S3: 18 million
      iPhone 4GS: 16.2 million
      iPhone 5: 6 million

    4. Re:iPhone 4s? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How did the GSIII fare against the iPhone 4s plus the iPhone 5 numbers? Seems to me to be a more fair comparison....

      Add a little over 5 million. So 21.2M vs. the GS3's 18M.
      4th quarter sales will be whatever number they can build. Considering that they are selling every one they make, their "market share" is as high as it could possibly be.
      That said, I've been buying AAPL puts (the right to sell at a given price) this week, as none of this matters in the short run.

      It will take Apple some time to gets its production run rates up to where it has a chance to meet demand. In the mean time that's putting an upper bound on sales.

      On a side note, many people dismiss Apple as just a "marketing" company, and yet Samsung will spend a whopping $11B on advertising this year, while Apple will spend a whopping $11B on machinery and production equipment.

    5. Re:iPhone 4s? by fredmosby · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to that article 28 million is the total sales for the SII over 23 months. The other numbers are the Q3 2012 sales, which covers just three months.

  8. Re:Purse Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    this message was brought to you by the small hands brigade.

  9. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by geekoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Becasue Q3 2012 is the last completed set of data available.

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  10. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by geek · · Score: 5, Informative

    These are third quarter sales. If I'm not mistaken the iPhone 5 was a fourth quarter release.

  11. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope that was a humorous remark regarding the vast discrepancy between your user id and jandrese's. The alternative is just too ridiculous.

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  12. meh by hottoh · · Score: 2

    From the fine article:

    "Samsungs' time at the top will be short-lived however, as Apple's iPhone 5 is expected to regain the title to top-selling smartphone in the December quarter."

    1. Re:meh by Wovel · · Score: 2

      And if you count the iPhone 5 in the September quarter Apple sold 22 million of the 4S and 5. The summary could not have been more misleading had they tried. Oh wait. They did try.

  13. What? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPhone never was the best selling phone "in the WORLD". Only in the US. Worldwide the iPhone's market share is laughable.

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  14. Steve! by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Steve! Still dead Steve? Take that! You good old Android-Crusher zealot.

    Burn, karma burn! Let thy fumes rise to heaven. Like from sweet smelling incense. Let us drink and be merry.

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  15. Re:Purse Phone by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I disagree about the size. I own the Galaxy S2 Touch and look forward to upgrading. In terms of size my phone is roughly comparable to the S3. I've never been uncomforartable with the phone in my pocket. Now the Note on the other hand is pretty friggin huge, but it sells so people must like it.

    I agree with you regarding the iPhone being pretty crappy, especially the 5. I hate typing on the tiny screen on one of my kid's iTouch screens. The iPhone 5's slightly larger screen is still small compared to most smart phones.

    The Iphone 5 is just more of the same-old from Apple. Slightly better specs under the hood, but not a lot for the average user to get excited about. Where's the innovation?

    Apple is becoming a follower instead of a leader.

  16. I have to wonder... by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Just how many of those people who bought the "iPhone 4S" knew that it wasn't a genuine Samsung Galaxy but were only fooled by its similar design?

  17. Re:Nice phone, but not as nice in the USA by firesyde424 · · Score: 2

    HTC did the same thing with the One X. If I understand it correctly, it had something to do with the Tegra 3 chipset not being compatible with LTE radios or something like that. I personally tracked down an International HTC One X. Cost me the same as a non-contract US HTC One X but I got twice the internal storage, quad core cpu, and a gpu that's at least as fast as the one in the US HTC One X.

    And no, I don't miss LTE support. HSPA+ works just fine for me.

  18. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    Because the iPhone 4S is (was, actually) the current best selling phone by total (cumulative) numbers.In that sense, it's 100% fair to compare the two phones that sold the most units in the history of smartphones.

    Maybe the iPhone will outsell the Galaxy S III, time will tell.

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  19. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by CDS · · Score: 5, Informative

    Which also explains why the numbers are lower for apple. The Galaxy S3 was released in June, if I remember correctly. They had the entire quarter for sales of their new crown jewel. With the iPhone 5 rumored to be coming, everybody was waiting for October and NOBODY was buying a 4S in Q3!

  20. Shipments != sales by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2

    From the court case, we saw that Samsung lies about how many it has "shipped". Colour me unimpressed.

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    1. Re:Shipments != sales by Wovel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It seems likely that Samsung dumped a bunch into the channel during the transition quarter so they could get an analyst to write this story and get some positive press.

    2. Re:Shipments != sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, they could not possibly have dumped any bunches into the channel. Because every single quarter, all these ~Apple zealots~ experts tell me that Samsung is shipping way more than are being sold. So by this point, all the warehouses must be full. It is not possible to dump anything more into the channel.

      I hear they've just installed a big conveyor belt that takes the phones right as they come off the factory production lines, and it takes them straight to the nearest garbage dump. Their business strategy is to make Apple zealots so angry about market share numbers that they have aneurysms which incapacitates them and prevents them from buying any more iPhones.

  21. Re:Nice Slashvertisement by Ziggitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kinda hard to shill a free product.

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  22. Do you guys want another monopoly? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can understand why some people don't want to get an iPhone, but to see comments about how Android will somehow take over and get the most market share is frightening.

    The last thing we need is yet another OS monopoly. I'd be happy to see 33% Android users, 33% iPhone users, 16% Blackberry users and 16% WebOS users.

    Or is the majority of posters so young that they didn't live through or at least read about how OS monopolies are bad?

  23. Dear Apple ... by jest3r · · Score: 2

    Dear Apple,

    I am a huge fan that has been left underwhelmed recently. Here's what you need to do to turn things around:

    1. You need to offer more selection of "new" iPhones. I want to be able to choose from different new models, new colours, and new price points. You let me do this with iPods ... even iPads now ... so why is there only ever "one" new iPhone???

    2. iOS6. When I got my iPhone 5 I upgraded from iOS3. And to my surprise not much has changed. Many things got worse somehow - feeling clunky with lots of bloat. Siri is useless, Maps took a wrong turn, the Interface hasn't changed at all and the Settings Menu is really unorganized compared to OSX System Prefs for instance.

    3. The screen size. You should have made it proportionally larger. So do that next time. Otherwise most Apps run smaller, Videos look smaller, Photos look smaller. Everything actually looks smaller on the bigger screen.
    (to everyone saying then it wouldn't fit in your hand - take a look at the iPad Mini photos which is massive compared to the iPhone and still fits in one hand).

    4. Laptop pricing. I used to be able to get a 13" MacBook for about $1000.

    Now the only laptop under $1000 is 11" (way too small for everyday business use) and everything else is overpriced. I don't mind paying more for Apple products because I do believe the experience is better - however your laptop pricing is ridiculous these days. I am in teh market for a new laptop and I don't understand why they are so much more expensive now?

    5. OSX ... I love it. But it's starting to feel like you are losing focus on that too. Launchpad is umm... blah. F12 widgets whatever that is I never use (what's with all these hidden secondary desktops??). The App Store on OSX feels half-baked. Moving the Software Update into the App store makes things harder to use. Overall a bit of a fail the past few releases.

    6. iPad Mini, should have been retina. iPod is retina, iPhone is retina, new iPad is retina, MacBooks are moving to Retina ... wtf?

    Anyhow get more iPhone selection, fix the laptop pricing, and refocus your OS's ... and things will be good again.

    Thanks!

  24. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if you compare all models of Android to all models of iPhone, people say it's unfair because "Apple has a single model", and if you compare a single model of Android to a single model of iPhone, it's unfair because "Apple has more than one model"? Interesting.

  25. Congrats to Samsung by f00zbll · · Score: 2

    Samsung has worked hard and they deserve a congrats. I do own an iPhone, but unlike some people I don't see Samsung's success a threat. I like competition, so this should make everyone push harder. Though I doubt RIM or Nokia will last much longer. HTC and Google/Motorola will hopefully push harder to beat Samsung. I hope this encourages Apple to push harder too. Though honestly, I doubt HTC, Motorola, Apple, Nokia, and Rim need us to tell them to push harder.

  26. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by msauve · · Score: 2

    He's saying he "feels for no one," because that's who fits his description.

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  27. History repeats itself by fuzznutz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Despite all the bickering and indignant attitude, most, if not all, fail to see the obvious. This is MacOS v. Windows again. MacOS was first to market (1984 vs 1985) and had all the goodies that the "cool kids" wanted. Microsoft came out with Windows and it was a pale imitation of the Mac System, but it ran on anybody's hardware. Apple derided Microsoft for their crappy junk. After a few iterations, Windows became the clear winner just because every hardware maker could and did bundle it on their PC for a lot less money than Apple wanted.

    Google has taken a page from the Microsoft play book. Android is already way bigger than IOS. IOS market share is dropping even while raw sales are expanding. Android has parity in usability and features. The top Android phone has sales parity with the top Apple phone. The Android ecosystem is just going to expand.

    As long as Apple earns massive margins on their product, more and more competitors will enter the market. This will reduce prices and steal more of Apple's customers. Many Android phone's have quality equivalent to the iPhone, and sometimes are in different ways better. Microsoft is now entering the market as a serious competitor. Apple knows this and they are pissing in their boots, They are lashing out the only way they know: litigation; just like before. They may have "invented" the smartphone or pioneered the market, but they are doomed by sheer numbers of competitors. They know it. Unless Apple can pull the next "big thing" out of their asses, they will fall back again. And Jobs won't be around to save them next time.

  28. Re:Nice Slashvertisement by harperska · · Score: 2

    Care to tell me where I can get my hands on one of these free Galaxy S IIIs you speak of? Everywhere I have looked they cost quite a bit.

  29. Bit misleading by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

    New data released on Thursday by market research firm Strategy Analytics finds that Samsung's Galaxy S III was the world's top-selling smartphone model in the third quarter this year, displacing Apple's iPhone for the first time in years.

    ... during the quarter in which Apple had announced that the iPhone 5 was coming soon, so people held off buying the iPhone 4S. In fact, if you add the iPhone 5 sales to the iPhone 4S sales for the quarter, the result tops the Galaxy S III by 4 million.

  30. Re:Purse Phone by oxdas · · Score: 2

    What ideas implemented by iPhone would you say were original?

  31. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by oxdas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Android marketshare was 75% of worldwide sales last quarter, compared to 15% for iOS. This time last year the numbers were 58% for Android and 14% for iOS.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57544131-94/android-beats-ios-5-to-1-in-q3-smartphone-market-share/

  32. Misleading Summary by flargleblarg · · Score: 2

    As reported:
    Samsung Galaxy S3 — 18.0 million units
    Apple iPhone 4S — 16.2 million units
    Apple iPhone 5 — 6.0 million units

    Now let's look at it in an actually meaningful way:
    Apple iPhone 4S & 5 — 22.2 million units
    Samsung Galaxy S3 — 18.0 million units

    Source: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121108005702/en/Strategy-Analytics-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-Worlds-Best-Selling

  33. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by oxdas · · Score: 2

    Not even close. Samsung doubled up Apple last quarter, 56 million phones to 27 million.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121025007003/en/Smartphones-Drive-Quarter-Growth-Worldwide-Mobile-Phone

  34. Re:Except that you're completely wrong. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    It is true that the article mentions the iPhone 5 sold 6 million units, but you claimed that that the actual comparison includes iPhone 5 sales and it doesn't. Just to be clear, they compared the 16 million iPhone 4S units sold to 18 million GS3 units sold when making the statement that the GS3 outsold the iPhone 4S. They could have compared the iPhone 5's 6 million units sold, but most thinking people would realize that's not a fair comparison because it was only on sale for a small part of Q3.

    The iPhone 5 went on sale on September 21st. That means it was on sale for 10 days during Q3. Most, sane, people would realize that selling 6 million phones in 10 days is pretty impressive. You think it means it was a "big dud" so what does that say about you?

  35. Re:Nice Slashvertisement by Ziggitz · · Score: 2

    The accusation was of being "Linux Shills". Last I checked it was free.

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  36. Re:Why is the comparision made against the iPhone by Wheely · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have all the iPhones except the iPhone 5. When IOS6 came out and I realised that not only did it have nothing I wanted, it also took away something I did. So I was never going to upgrade and decided now was the time to try the Galaxy SIII

    I have had it about two months now and I have to say I had NO IDEA that IOS was so far behind. I have been genuinely shocked that Samsung and Google have been quietly putting so many great little features into the OS and I knew nothing about it. IOS is still pretty much in the same place it started from.

    I loved my iPhones but Ill never go back.

  37. Re:Purse Phone by Guignol · · Score: 2

    Your parent was clearly in a hurry
    (S)He meant ROFLYSST

  38. Re:Purse Phone by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    So you're saying the iPhone has NFC file transfer? Where's your SD card slot? How about a standard micro USB connector instead of the Apple proprietary plugs? Apple's much vaunted "retina display" is 1,136 x 640 and lower resolution than the Galaxy S3's 1,280 x 720 resolution. iPhone requires you to install iTunes to access your phone from your PC (and screw you, Linux users). Samsung, like all android phones, just plugs in and acts as a USB drive. Or you can wireless tether to your PC with an Android. The iPhone 5's camera is 8mp and has ugly purple flair problems, G S3 is also 8mp and features image stabilization. G S3 has longer battery life than the iPhone 5. Where the iPhone's stylus pen? How about showing me some sweet widgets or desktop mods on you iPhone? Let's see you install 3rd party apps without rooting your phone.

    You think this is just about screen size? You're not paying attention.

  39. Re:Apples missing features by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

    iPhone 5 comes with:

    * Apple Maps and access to Google Maps, with a large number of options for other map apps (that can can be downloaded), both free and paid.

    You're using Apple Maps as a selling feature? Meanwhile, Androids come with Google Maps out of the box, as well as Google Navigation, which supports voice instructions, and there are a similarly large number of other map/navigation apps available for Android.

    While your point is that IOS can hold its own against Android, it's a bit silly to use Apple Maps as the first point of comparison....

    * Uses a USB charger, charges off anything with a USB port (note that USB is not proprietary), and a micro-USB adapter is also available so you can charge it off a Galaxy SIII charger if you really want.

    USB isn't proprietary, but the connector at the other end of the cable is. If your cable is damaged or lost, you need to buy a replacement cable from Apple, and pay for the privilege. If you lose or damage the cable for any Android phone I've ever used, you can use *any* MicroUSB cable from any other device you own, or can buy one very cheaply from any number of people selling them.

    * Doesn't have removable memory card, no, but this has allegedly been a missing "killer feature" from every iOS device ever sold, and doesn't seem to be slowing down sales.

    Some Android phones don't have removable memory cards. Mine does. It's very useful. I've used the same MicroSD card across 3 phones now, and have not needed to recopy the data to each new phone. Similarly, I haven't lost any of the settings or high scores from my games/apps, and several of my games have installed completely to the SD card, so they don't need to be reinstalled/downloaded on a new phone, either.

    * No USB Mass Storage Mode either, but files can be moved on and off it as necessary, also supports cloud storage (iCloud, Dropbox etc).

    Call me next time you need to sync 32GB of data through iCloud to your new phone. We'll compare how long it takes against how long it takes me to remove my MicroSD card and put it in the new phone, shall we? We'll also compare how much that costs on your 3G data plan....

    Oh, did I mention my phone didn't cost anywhere near what a new iPhone would cost without a contract, and that the memory/cpu for my phone are almost identical to the iPhone 4S, which was the best iPhone available when I bought mine?

  40. Re:Apples missing features by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    Edit: Bah, looks like I messed up the quotes. My text is indented.

    iPhone 5 comes with:

    * Apple Maps and access to Google Maps, with a large number of options for other map apps (that can can be downloaded), both free and paid.

    You're using Apple Maps as a selling feature? Meanwhile, Androids come with Google Maps out of the box, as well as Google Navigation, which supports voice instructions, and there are a similarly large number of other map/navigation apps available for Android.

    While your point is that IOS can hold its own against Android, it's a bit silly to use Apple Maps as the first point of comparison....

    Absolutely. For the 99.5% of times when it's not "epically failing" (and being corrected), it works very well. The whole "zomg look how bad it is, you'll end up in a lake!" stuff is amusing, but ultimately overblown. And, as I pointed out right after it, I noted that Google Maps is also available on iOS 6, along with many other apps to choose from if you think Apple Maps will "epically fail". For the majority of people, however, it is

    * Uses a USB charger, charges off anything with a USB port (note that USB is not proprietary), and a micro-USB adapter is also available so you can charge it off a Galaxy SIII charger if you really want.

    USB isn't proprietary, but the connector at the other end of the cable is. If your cable is damaged or lost, you need to buy a replacement cable from Apple, and pay for the privilege. If you lose or damage the cable for any Android phone I've ever used, you can use *any* MicroUSB cable from any other device you own, or can buy one very cheaply from any number of people selling them.

    I didn't address the Lightning connector (or the previous incarnation, the 30 pin dock connector), merely that the GP said that Apple's charger was proprietary and that (I quote) "not compatible with any other brand", when it's obvious to anyone who has actually used an iPhone that it will charge off all sorts of third party branded chargers, and that you can charge other phones and devices off an Apple charger if you like since it has a USB port on it. It's no accident that the "non-phone" end of the cable is a USB plug, and that the cord is removable from the charger.

    * Doesn't have removable memory card, no, but this has allegedly been a missing "killer feature" from every iOS device ever sold, and doesn't seem to be slowing down sales.

    Some Android phones don't have removable memory cards. Mine does. It's very useful. I've used the same MicroSD card across 3 phones now, and have not needed to recopy the data to each new phone. Similarly, I haven't lost any of the settings or high scores from my games/apps, and several of my games have installed completely to the SD card, so they don't need to be reinstalled/downloaded on a new phone, either.

    Yes, I mentioned that this is one of the few genuine differences, and that for some people a removable SD card is a killer feature. It simply bears repeating that the supposed "killer feature" is clearly not all that important to the vast majority of iPhone users. Personally I think it is more of missing killer feature on the iPad, where extra removable storage would be very welcome for the sorts of things it is used for - movies and games on the go.

    * No USB Mass Storage Mode either, but files can be moved on and off it as necessary, also supports cloud storage (iCloud, Dropbox etc).

    Call me next time you need to sync 32GB of data through iCloud to your new phone. We'll compare how long it takes against how long it takes me to remove my MicroSD card and put it in the new phone, shall we? We'll also compare how much that costs on your 3G data plan....

    Oh, di

  41. Re:Purse Phone by dudpixel · · Score: 2

    You're half correct.

    The GP said nothing about USB mass storage. To the average user when you plug in a GS3, even in MTP mode, it still acts as a USB drive.

    The lack of linux support for MTP is a failing of linux, not a failing of the device. Have a read about why Google changed it, and it makes sense.

    It is not a major fail. The major fail was that you had to have 2 partitions on your phone so that one of them could be unmounted in order to use USB mass storage. You therefore couldn't access any files on the phone's internal SD card while it was mounted on a PC.

    It was a technical decision. The world has moved on. Linux is just a little late catching up.

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