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Samsung Accuses Foreman Hogan of Misrepresentation

sfcrazy writes "Samsung is clearly accusing Hogan in its recent filing of influencing the jury in favor of Apple. Samsung said in its filing: 'Mr. Hogan's own statements to the media suffice if such a showing is required. Once inside the jury room, Mr. Hogan acted as a "de facto technical expert" who touted his high-tech experience to bring the divided jury together. Contrary to this Court's instructions, he told other jurors incorrectly that an accused device infringes a utility patent unless it is "entirely different"; that a prior art reference could not be invalidating unless that reference was "interchangeable"; and that invalidating prior art must be currently in use. He thus failed "to listen to the evidence, not to consider extrinsic facts, [and] to follow the judge's instructions."'"

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  1. Samsung's accusations by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They also allege that Hogan has an old grunge against Samsung because they own part of Seagate (which had sued him into bankruptcy 20 years ago) and that he's a patent-owner himself (and very pro-patent)--neither fact he disclosed during the jury selection process.

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    1. Re:Samsung's accusations by jkrise · · Score: 5, Informative

      He did disclose the fact he was a patent owner. I don't believe Samsung is claiming he didn't.

      Samsung is not claiming he didn't disclose his patent. They are claiming he was pro-patent in a crooked sort of way, by his own admission.

      Samsung also suggests that Hogan didn't disclose how pro-patent he was when asked in court whether he had "strong feelings" about the US patent system.

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    2. Re:Samsung's accusations by PortHaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The issue is thus:

      a) did not disclose fully the extent of his patent dealings, referenced one more recent issue but failed to disclose the more serious prior issues

      b) provided false, misleading evidence contrary to judges instructions to manipulate the jury

      c) had prior conflict with subsidiary of Samsung

      d) was a flat out stupid moron (the latter doesn't affect the case decision, but the first three very much do so)

    3. Re:Samsung's accusations by jkrise · · Score: 5, Informative

      However, during the jury selection the judge asked Hogan whether he was involved in any litigation, he answered correctly that he was involved in some litigation a few years ago, and the judge then forgot to ask him if he was involved in any other litigation.

      Please do not spout such bullshit. The judge asked everyone if they were EVER involved in any prior litigation. Hogan half-assedly replied that he was involved in 1 litigation; but conveniently and untruthfully left out the Seagate litigation. He claimed in an interview that he did not mention the Seagate litigation because it was more than 10 years past; and that the judge specified a 10-year past limit.

      Of course, Hogan was lying through his teeth, and deserves to get booted out; and pay for the cost of the retrial.

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    4. Re:Samsung's accusations by iapetus · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need to read Samsung's reply, which is in the Groklaw article linked from the page. It answers all your points, and does it in a clear and definitive way. It also makes clear a lot of their other arguments, which you conveniently ignore here; that he indisputably failed to follow the judge's instructions, introducing inaccurate 'expert testimony' of his own that was wrong on just about every point of law that the jury ruled on. It's indisputable because he's been running his mouth off about it ever since.

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    5. Re:Samsung's accusations by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 5, Funny

      They also allege that Hogan has an old grunge against Samsung because they own part of Seagate (which had sued him into bankruptcy 20 years ago) and that he's a patent-owner himself (and very pro-patent)--neither fact he disclosed during the jury selection process.

      Well folks, there you have it. The hidden dangers of old grunge; my mother always said it's Satan's music.

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    6. Re:Samsung's accusations by BeeRockxs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The court instructions are available online, and say nothing about more than 10 years. He's been lying to the press, too.

    7. Re:Samsung's accusations by iapetus · · Score: 5, Informative

      There were no such court instructions. The 10 years claim has been thoroughly debunked. Three cheers for transcripts!

      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120923233451725

      THE COURT: Okay. Welcome back. Please take a seat. We had a few more departures in your absence. Let's continue with the questions. The next question is, have you or a family member or someone very close to you ever been involved in a lawsuit, either as a plaintiff, a defendant, or as a witness?

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    8. Re:Samsung's accusations by jlv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Especially if it's true about him!

      Give me a break already... I own a Galaxy Nexus. It's bogus for Apple to claim this is a copy of an iPhone.

    9. Re:Samsung's accusations by shentino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He deserves a metric fuckton more than that.

      He lied through his teeth UNDER OATH, and that is perjury.

      I hope Samsung presses criminal charges.

    10. Re:Samsung's accusations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the US legal system, individuals do not press criminal charges. Only the state (via the Attorneys General) can do that.

      When a victim chooses "not to press charges" what they are really doing is refusing to testify against the suspect. The state still has full discretion as to whether charges will be pressed. Charges are often dropped because the victim's testimony is a large portion of the case.

    11. Re:Samsung's accusations by Karzz1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would Samsung go through the effort of setting up this farce when they could just as easily have won the case outright had the jury not been rigged? That makes no sense.

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    12. Re:Samsung's accusations by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They asked him for details, he provided incomplete details. Lying by omission is still lying.

    13. Re:Samsung's accusations by cob666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fair enough. What then would a layman call "introduction of testimony from experience(s) outside of the trial to the jury, to directly affect the outcome of the jury's decision" and does that term change if the person responsible for this is the jury foreman?

      There is no definition for this because this type of 'evidence' does not exist. Evidence must be presented in court and the introduction of said evidence must follow rules regarding its admission.

      At the very least he ignored the judge's orders and should be held in contempt.

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    14. Re:Samsung's accusations by backslashdot · · Score: 4, Informative

      A person (err, corporation) has the right to an impartial jury (see sixth amendment). If this guy was partial to patent holders, it means Samsung's right to a fair trial was infringed.

    15. Re:Samsung's accusations by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

      A) If he had answered "yes" to the strong feelings question, the next question would have been "How so?", this isn't a check the boxes test that they take and no one ever looks at.
      B) The attitude that Samsung takes issue with is one in which the patent holder is always right simply by virtue of being the patent holder. Patents are law, but that doesn't mean that every accusation made by a patent holder is valid.
      C) When you combine B with the influence he reportedly had over the jury during deliberations, you can easily get a situation where a case should be thrown out. Having what is for all intents and purposes a representative of one of the parties interests (since his overlap with theirs) in the jury room, interacting 1 on 1 with the other jurors, even in a position of authority over them (by virtue of being the jury foreman) is poisoning the pool.

      If Samsung con convincingly establish that this is what happened they absolutely have a valid case.

  2. Re:Well duh by alostpacket · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I dunno about paying costs, that would leave him in RIAA-style life long debt. But a reasonable contempt of court fine could be justified -- though I don't know if that is legal. In many ways jury nullification is a positive thing, but in this case it seems to have swung the other way completely (assuming Samsung's accusations are true).

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  3. Re:Well duh by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

    The man is an utter fool

    Duh, he couldn't even get out of Jury duty.

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  4. Vermin Hogan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the statements he made after the trial, he seemed to be enjoying the limelight until he realised what a hole he was digging and seemed to shut up. I was mind-blown.

    He actually seemed proud, of the fact that he was able to convince the other jurors that they could ignore the "prior art" arguments because they were "bogging us down".

    He stated very matter of factly, that the trial was over from day one when Apple presented their "smoking gun" which, in fact, turned out to be quite the opposite to anybody who actually READS the thing now that the unredacted documents are available, and didn't just look at Apple's cherry-picking and assumption leaping.

    He ignored the judge's instructions as to how to calculate the award amount (and seemed quite proud of the 'punishment' he awarded (paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to look it up): "I approached it by thinking, what if these were MY patents", and "so we made an appropriately painful award").

    The award amount itself was sent back to the jury room how many times, because they couldn't do simple arithmetic (and such was their hurry to get out of there, they awarded a few tens of millions even for things they said DIDN'T infringe).

    The whole trial was a farce... Declaring mistrials is very uncommon but this travesty needs to be one of the exceptions.

  5. Very curiously... by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it was Apple which probed Samsung's timing of their knowledge about Hogan's past.... a question which they themselves failed to answer when Samsung's lawyers filed a rebuttal. Very strange... looks like Apple could get hoisted by their own petard... and rightfully so!

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    1. Re:Very curiously... by Zalbik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then what damages does Apple deserve for what Samsung did?

      Should it be ok for one company to do this to another?

      None. And yes, it should be okay.

      Did you actually read the memo? It looked like UI design 101, they just happened to (unfortunately) use the iPhone as the example of how it could be done right.
      It had such amazingly original nuggets such as:
      - increase the size of the daily schedule to make it legible
      - Don't allow duplicate icons to be placed on the home screen
      - Don't allow the keyboard to overlap the text entry screen
      - Reduce the number of steps required to toggle Wi-Fi

      These are the basis of a patent?

    2. Re:Very curiously... by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The contention is not that Apple thought he was biased. That's irrelevant. The contention is that, Apple knew that he lied under oath by not disclosing all of his previous lawsuits. Apple's lawyers, as officers of the court, have a clear duty to disclose any form of dishonesty that they know about.

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  6. Re:Well duh by michalk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When this happened, I was mulling over my position on jury nullification, and came to the conclusion that it is an important tool as a limit on state power. However, in a civil case it gets a lot more difficult. We need a stable set of rules so we know where the boundaries are, otherwise we are no better than a third world country where graft is the norm. The problem is now that civil damages exceed what criminal damages can do to an individual, where do we draw the line? Do we say Jury nullification is okay to be used when excessive damages are awarded for file sharing? Okay, then why is that different than patent infringement? I like jury nullification. Unfortunately every time I've been in voir dire, and admitted to the ability to use it, I've been thrown out. For jury nullification to be a valid defense against the state (and corporation too?), it must be used properly. It doesn't feel to me like it was used properly in the Samsung/Apple case.

  7. Slashdotter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once inside the jury room, Mr. Hogan acted as a "de facto technical expert" who touted his high-tech experience to bring the divided jury together.

    So, he talked out of his ass.

    He must be a regular here on Slashdot! And he probably has karma out the Yin Yang to boot!

  8. Who IS a lawyer here? by paiute · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We need some real answers, not AC speculation.

    1. Why didn't Samsung's lawyers know every detail about every potential juror? Is that not allowed in this court? Did each side not get to ask questions of each potential juror?
    2. How much of the jury's actions are protected and how much are not?
    3. Are Apple's lawyers required to share everything they find out about the case in their own digging with the opposition?

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    1. Re:Who IS a lawyer here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Samsung's Laywers only knew as much about the Jurors as the Jurors themselves disclosed. Any further investigation of the Jurors could be considered jury tampering. More importantly, the Jury's actions are only protected if they are taken within the law. If a juror's actions are illegal, they have no protection.

      Now, in this case I don't think that the Foreman's actions were necessarily illegal, and as such I doubt he can be prosecuted or sued for them, but they do raise a number of questions about the propriety of the verdict and damage award. My guess is that there are two things that could result from this:

      1) The verdict could be overturned and a new trial ordered. At this point, the jury is irrevocably tainted and replacing the foreman with an alternate and re-deliberating is just not an option.
      2) The foreman may be held in contempt by the judge - I'm not sure what legal grounds the judge actually has to do this, but I know that if the case ends up having to be retried because of the foreman's actions, it will SERIOUSLY piss off the judge. And if there's one thing you DON'T want to do, it's piss off a judge in their own courtroom.

      I suspect that the verdict will be overturned, as it's becoming clear that there are compelling arguments that the law was not followed, and thus allowing it to stand will weaken the judicial system as a whole. What would be interesting is if the judge decides somehow that Apple should have known that the foreman was tainted and withheld that information from the court, and as a result the judge decides to not only overturn the verdict, but reverse it and find in favor of Samsung. I doubt that would stand up to an appeal though, so I expect that won't happen, but you never know...

    2. Re:Who IS a lawyer here? by reimero · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm not a lawyer, but Groklaw answers a fair amount of this. I've also sat on a jury before, if that makes any difference.
      1. This is one of the points being argued. The gist of Samsung's arguments is that there is a legal standard that believes that a prospective juror under oath is to be believed unless there is reason not to believe. The threshold for breaching a prospective juror's privacy is much higher than that for breaching an interested party's. Jury selection is long and complicated as it is. When a juror says, "I was involved in 1 lawsuit involving XYZ" and there is no apparent need for follow-up on other suits, lawyers typically won't follow up. There is trust that jurors will be forthcoming, because they took an oath that they would be forthcoming.
      2. "Protected" is a complicated word. Basically, the Court issues instructions to the jury, and trusts that the jury will abide by those instructions. It requires an extraordinary level to prove that a jury acted outside the bounds of the Court's instructions. It's one thing if the jury's verdict doesn't jive with what the Court thinks it should be. It is another matter entirely when there is evidence of willful misconduct by a juror. Basically, if it can be demonstrated that a juror was willfully disregarding jury instructions or otherwise was acting as an "interested party", that juror could face sanction from the court, including the possibility of having to pay at least some of the costs. It essentially comes down to jury tampering. The bar for proving this is very high, but a juror's own words after the trial can be used against him or her.
      3. This is also a complicated question. Lawyers want to win, yes, but they also have a fairly rigorous set of legal ethics to which they must adhere. This is a civil trial, so they are not under the same burden a criminal prosecutor is. Apple doesn't need to make Samsung's case for Samsung. At the same time, anything they plan to introduce at trial needs to pass through Samsung first so that Samsung may object or present a defense. Cases like this have very few "Aha!" moments. They have TONS of filings, briefs, depositions, cross-depositions and so forth. The court's job is to make sure the trial is fair and that both sides get their say. That said, if Apple had prior knowledge of juror bias, they did have a legal obligation to make the Court aware of this bias.

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    3. Re:Who IS a lawyer here? by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 4, Informative

      "due diligence would include seeing if his name was a party to a lawsuit"
       
      ...which doesn't work very well if the case records are no longer available to be found, as Samsung point out in their filings. The only reason anyone knows about the Seagate case is one lawyers personal recollection and Hogan incriminating himself, both occurring after the trial.

  9. Re:Well duh by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In many ways jury nullification is a positive thing...

    Don't get confused about this. This has nothing to do with "jury nullification". Jury nullification is a very specific and very limited situation. It is your right not to give a criminal conviction to a person who you believe is actually guilty according to the law or who you are told is guilty by the judge. In other words, it is that you can't be forced to give a guilty verdict which you would consider to be deeply morally wrong.

    This doesn't give the jury the right to decide anything they want. For example, in a criminal trial you can give a not guilty verdict even if you think the person probably did break the law. You cannot, however, give a guilty verdict if you think the person didn't do the crime but probably did something else bad.

    In a civil trial, the jury should only decide what they think is most likely to be true. There's no opportunity for jury nullification since there's no guilty verdict available at all.

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  10. Re:Not so Fast by reimero · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, juror statements after the fact CAN be called into question. While the Court and the litigating parties have no direct sway over what happens inside the deliberation chambers, if the jurors go on public record after the fact, that may cause grounds for further examination of the verdict. It's more accurate to say, what happens in the jury room may only be revealed by the jurors themselves - which they did, in this case. What makes this situation ironic is that Hogan blabbed about it and wouldn't shut up. Had his ego not demanded he talk to the press about it - a lot - and that he stand on his soapbox, Samsung would have had a far weaker argument of juror misconduct.

    The bar for proving juror misconduct is very high, and lawyers are usually reluctant to play that card. By going on the record to the media, Hogan is making Samsung's case much, much easier.

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  11. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or you could, you know, DO YOUR CIVIC DUTY and not try to get out of jury duty.

    Tired of "idiots" on juries? Serve on one yourself.

  12. The juror is a minor part of the submission by Maow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reading through Samsung's submission over at Groklaw, the whole juror misconduct is a rather minor part.

    It goes on for pages about Apple's arguments during trial and disputes their claims, for example:

    Apple’s attack on the legal standard for design patent infringement underscores the gaps in its evidence. First, the rule that “design patent infringement requires similarity so great as to deceive in purchasing” is not a “false premise” (Opp. 4) but rather the established standard for over a century. Gorham Mfg. Co. v. White, 81 U.S. 511, 528 (1871) (test is whether “the resemblance is such as to

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    deceive such an observer, inducing him to purchase one supposing it to be the other”). Apple’s authority confirms this. Crocs, Inc. v. ITC, 598 F.3d 1294, 1303-06 (Fed. Cir. 2010) (infringement found where accused products were likely to “cause market confusion”). Apple’s experts conceded that purchasers would not be confused. RT 1101:11-1102:8; 1103:2-1104:18; 1424:3-1425:22.

    It goes on like this for pages and makes a very compelling argument.

  13. A problem with the jury system by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Picking random yahoos off the sidewalk, making sure they're sufficiently clueless/pliable, then subjecting them to a barrage of conceptually complex technical and legal points, from experts and lawyers from top schools and companies, and expect them to come to reasonable and accurate conclusions.

    Imagine doing medicine or bridge/building design the same way.

    This might have worked for a low tech agrarian society. But it is not a reliable decision-making system today. The jury system is at best cute and quaint, but certainly not a reliable way to reach accurate and reasonable conclusions.