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RIM Offering Free Voice Calling In Attempt to Remain Competitive

zacharye writes "In version 7, RIM has added a voice calling feature that will allow BBM users to speak to each other for free when connected to Wi-Fi networks. While similar third-party solutions like Viber exist and extend the free calling feature to cellular data connections, an integrated solution that will eventually be baked right into the BlackBerry OS offers clear advantages over third-party options. It also can be counted as an advantage for RIM’s platform over Android and iOS, at least until RIM’s rivals begin to roll out similar solutions."

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  1. Until they roll out similar solutions? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

    So facetime and gtalk are just figments of my imagination?

    1. Re:Until they roll out similar solutions? by BlueBlade · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's mostly about integration, as in, you'll still go through the wi-fi connection even if you dial the number, as long as the target number belongs to a BB. For those other apps. the other user needs to be using them, along with a separate account, etc.

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    2. Re:Until they roll out similar solutions? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      No, that's basically how FaceTime works, too. You call someone on the phone, and if the other end is an iOS device, there's a button you can push to switch the call over to FaceTime. It might require an iCloud account (I'm honestly not sure), but they're free, so that's not particularly important....

      By default FaceTime uses (on iPhone) the phone number and Apple ID as keys to determining if a user can use it. So no iCloud/Apple ID/etc account is required (though I think you need one anyways when you set your phone up).

      But phone-number alone works (and you can add additional phone or email keys if you wish).

  2. Who needs free voice? by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even with a teenager on our family cell plan, we never use up our monthly allocation of voice minutes. Now, if RIM could figure out a way to convert that voice to data bandwidth, then we might have something to talk about.

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    1. Re:Who needs free voice? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps someone could invent a way to modulate a data signal into something that would fit onto a voice channel. Then your phone could call that device and use this voice link for data transmission. Surely one day such a technology will be invented.

  3. Also Free Data! by dnahelicase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rumor is that internet browsing will also be free while on wifi, and will even support pandora streaming! You can use that wifi data in nearly unlimited ways!

  4. Re:So what? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2

    I have a smartphone, and only 450 minutes. There are, in fact, people who don't talk on the phone enough to justify the cost of unlimited minutes, but still want the connectivity of a smartphone.

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  5. Re:Facetime? by firex726 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do they?

    Many of the Android ones I have dealt with offer calling over WiFi, but it still counts towards your minutes, even if it's going to someone on the same network, also on WiFi.

    *Unless you use a third party app.

  6. Re:Facetime? by Tr3vin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I read it as something only available between two BBM users, so it is basically Factime or Google Talk. In that case, RIM's two main rivals have had very good solutions in place for quite a while.

  7. Exactly, carriers already cut of Apple at the pass by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's hard to find a cell plan without unlimited minutes unless you're buying a minimal-use, no-frills line.

    Yes - I think the carriers did this in response to skype on mobile devices gaining popularity. They jacked up the prices for all smartphone data plans and gave you basically unlimited calling.

    It's the same thing for texting, iMessage on iOS gave you the ability to send messages to other iOS users over data, not SMS. So again they just baked unlimited SMS into the price for every smart phone plan.

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  8. USA != world by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Outside the US, it is very easy to get cheap contracts with limited voice time. RIM is actually expanding outside the US - I suspect some of their problems there are caused by the carrier monopoly. I'm amazed that US customers put up with the restrictions on the phone models they can use, and the inability to get a decent SIM-only contract.

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    1. Re:USA != world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      But Canada == a shit hole. At least when it comes to how carriers are allowed to advertise.

      They all loudly announce that they have plans with UNLIMITED VOICE MINUTES and UNLIMITED DATA. Then, in teeny, tiny print, smaller than fly shit, they define unlimited as 100 minutes of voice and 1 GB of data. Telus is a Canadian carrier that is particularly good at lying about the terms of their contracts.

    2. Re:USA != world by stefancaunter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Canada is worse than that, the carriers are not forced to invest in decent infrastructure, so they can cherry pick markets and coverage, and invest their massive profits from price gouging into the sports teams they all own, bought so they can monopolize content on their TV plans.

  9. Re:Facetime? by MrHanky · · Score: 2

    Incorrect. Like this BBM thing, Google voice and video chat, and Facetime, are free as in free data. Google's solution even works on other platforms (like Nokia).

  10. Re:What RIM needs to do to remain competitive by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Fortunately for them, I guess they have a real CEO and not someone who plays one on Slashdot.

    Did you give your advice to Apple back around the year 2000?

    Blackberry hardware isn't bad when you consider where and how it would be used. Non-replaceable batteries and shiny fragile cases are fine for first world people who regard gadgets as disposable. Sub-one day battery life is fine if you are always near a socket. But in large emerging markets, phones are an expensive purchase, long battery life and easy replacement are still important, a degree of drop-proofness is very desirable and the Blackberry data compression represents a significant reduction in outgoings.Putting a BB OS on some generic smartphone hardware is going to result in something that might be a bit cheaper but will cause customer dissatisfaction.

    It took too long to get the new CEO on board, but at least RIM has a coherent strategy and a target market - the middle classes in South America, Africa and Indonesia, business users, and people who just do not like giving up all their data to Apple or Google. They may be about to go tits up, but they are at least avoiding your suggestion - which worked so well for Leo The Pharmacist at HP, and which was sensibly avoided by Apple.

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  11. Re:What is the security model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't have a bb, but I used to support some. If you have your own BES, RIM doesn't have your encryption keys so they can't hand them over. Sure, if you're using the telco provided BES, they will hand stuff over, but that's a given. If you run your own bes, you have end to end encryption controlled by you.

  12. First of breed? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Funny

    It also can be counted as an advantage for RIMâ(TM)s platform over Android and iOS, at least until RIMâ(TM)s rivals begin to roll out similar solutions."

    Well, if you want free wifi voice calling from iPhone to iPhone, start FaceTime, and put your thumb over the camera.

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  13. Re:So what? by deadweight · · Score: 2

    Exactly - does ANYONE care about voice minutes anymore? Hello - 1999 called and they want their cell phone plan back. Never mind, even then intra-company calls were usually free. Make that 1989.

  14. Re:What is the security model? by narcc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wow, you're just impervious to facts, aren't you?

    If your a BES user, RIM can't hand over the keys because they don't have them.

    As always, RIM is the ONLY option for the security conscious.

    Go find some new talking points, preferably some with facts behind them.