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Artificial Muscles Pack a Mean Punch

sciencehabit writes "Here's a twist: Scientists have designed a flexible, yarn-like artificial muscle that can also pack a punch. It can contract in 25 milliseconds—a fraction of the time it takes to blink an eye—and can generate power 85 times as great as a similarly sized human muscle. The new muscles are made of carbon nanotubes filled with paraffin wax that can twist or stretch in response to heat or electricity. When the temperature rises, the wax melts and forces the nanotubes to contract. Such artificial muscles, the researchers say, could power smart materials, sensors, robots, and even devices inside the human body."

139 comments

  1. mechwarrior by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does that mean getting rid of waste heat is going to be even more important?

    What's the efficiency like?

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    1. Re:mechwarrior by DaemonDan · · Score: 1

      You've got a great point there. While the numbers are impressive (85 times more powerful?), the heating and cooling systems would have to be pretty efficient for it to be useful. The article also doesn't say how long it takes the fibers to recharge between twitches. Still, I think it's exciting, but that might just be because I'm writing a mechwarrior story with artificial muscles :)

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    2. Re:mechwarrior by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if they just developed normal myomer technology, or MASC...

    3. Re:mechwarrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what does a Mech run off of? Thorium?

    4. Re:mechwarrior by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      These things work best at high temperatures. So I think cooling will be not such a problem. They don't say much about efficiency in the article.

    5. Re:mechwarrior by Sulphur · · Score: 4, Funny

      You've got a great point there. While the numbers are impressive (85 times more powerful?), the heating and cooling systems would have to be pretty efficient for it to be useful. The article also doesn't say how long it takes the fibers to recharge between twitches. Still, I think it's exciting, but that might just be because I'm writing a mechwarrior story with artificial muscles :)

      You have artificial muscles? Does Lance know about this?

    6. Re:mechwarrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that I'm not the only one who read this and immediately thought that they had invented myomer

    7. Re:mechwarrior by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah, triple strength myomer then.

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    8. Re:mechwarrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when you want to cool the paraffin to resolidify, yes?

    9. Re:mechwarrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Artificial muscles? Damn clanners.

    10. Re:mechwarrior by riT-k0MA · · Score: 1

      Mechs run off a large water-powered fusion reactor, but I'm sure the UN will allow the use of enriched unranium power plants in these things, especially when their headquarters surrounded by a full star of 100-ton Assault Mechs.

    11. Re:mechwarrior by Hentes · · Score: 2

      It's not just waste heat, ambient heat (like on a sunny day) could also pose problems.

    12. Re:mechwarrior by phrackwulf · · Score: 1

      Paraffin wax filled bucky-muscle armored suit + integrated flamethrower = bow before the Fire Lord! You pathetic human vermin!

      MUAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!

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    13. Re:mechwarrior by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Fuck heat. Run a Gauss Cat.

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    14. Re:mechwarrior by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      The UN will fold when a Jenner rolls up.

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    15. Re:mechwarrior by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      The Flamer is pretty much a God weapon against these.
      Roll my Jenner up with a flamer and some Streak SRMs.
      Flame your ass and watch as your 85 ton mech immediately assumes the fetal position as all you "Muscles" contract.
      Then I just throw a few SSRMs at you and then kick you in the cockpit.

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    16. Re:mechwarrior by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure even an UrbanMech would do the job.

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    17. Re:mechwarrior by whitroth · · Score: 1

      And you're going to waste huge amounts of power to work the muscles, so it can run and punch?

      Sorry, I think my Ogre/Bolo http ( colon) //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_(tank) beats your mecha. And crunches the pieces.

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    18. Re:mechwarrior by tsotha · · Score: 1

      A bigger problem would be getting them to move at all after a cold night.

    19. Re:mechwarrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, nerd rage!

    20. Re:mechwarrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, dont you hate it when your MASC locks up.

      But first thing i thought if when reading the article was Bioroid muscles from the 2nd Season of Robotech.

  2. Article brings random wonder... by ModernGeek · · Score: 2

    I wonder if such a technology could be used in artificially enhancing the muscles of a person to make a super-human, or super-soldier. The chemistry can't be that complex, so I'm sure it's possible through bio-chemical engineering. I'd bet $100 that the US and others have done it before.

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    1. Re:Article brings random wonder... by cameloid · · Score: 2

      Astartes Power Armour!

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    2. Re:Article brings random wonder... by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder if such a technology could be used in artificially enhancing the muscles of a person to make a super-human, or super-soldier. The chemistry can't be that complex, so I'm sure it's possible through bio-chemical engineering. I'd bet $100 that the US and others have done it before.

      I'm thinking they'd have to reinforce the bones and joints as well. 85x stronger muscles are going to do some serious damage if the bones aren't reinforced.

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    3. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Nyder · · Score: 2

      I wonder if such a technology could be used in artificially enhancing the muscles of a person to make a super-human, or super-soldier. The chemistry can't be that complex, so I'm sure it's possible through bio-chemical engineering. I'd bet $100 that the US and others have done it before.

      Yes, they did it once, but a Nazi spy killed the doctor, who was the only person who knew how to create the Super-Soldier Serum. The Doctor, who's name has changed twice, didn't apparently trust the "cloud" and wanted job security by refusing to write down every crucial element of the treatment, leaving behind a flawed, imperfect knowledge of the needed steps.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America#1940s

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    4. Re:Article brings random wonder... by scottbomb · · Score: 2

      I hear the Borg are looking into this.

    5. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you want to rip your tendons in half, sure.

      You'd have to completely replace the skeletal muscular system and integrate it with existing parts so it can handle the new tissue. And then there are the issues of skin abrasion, circulatory problems, self-healing...

      Needless to say we won't be seeing superhumans anytime soon, at least not of this sort. You may see some kind of application in robotics or assisted lifting devices. Maybe in fifteen, twenty years if the technology proves feasible and robust enough you may see a powered armor.

    6. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Deathmoo · · Score: 1

      I bet it absolutely could be used to make a super-soldier, wearing some kind of high-tech exoskeleton. And, as you say, maybe already have, why would they tell anyone. This and the invisibility thing being reported on in the say day. Crysis much?

      I love carbon nanotubes, we need a way to make lots of them cheaper.

    7. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or they could only use 1/85 of that to save space/cost or have spares (like FLASH drives) to kick in when the performance degrades over time.

      One doesn't eat the whole bowl of food like some untrained pet.

    8. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, this is going to occur AFTER the adamantium bone infusion. Duh.

    9. Re:Article brings random wonder... by EdIII · · Score: 2

      I wonder if you could layer some sort of metal on to a human skeleton....

    10. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we could just go with full-body replacements. Artificial organ development is in full gallop right now...

    11. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just use 85% less of them.

    12. Re:Article brings random wonder... by ghotihed · · Score: 1

      I'd bet $100 that the US and others have done it before.

      How about $6,000,000? "Steve Austin, a man barely alive..."

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    13. Re:Article brings random wonder... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Can you just infuse your skeleton with adamantium?

    14. Re:Article brings random wonder... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      you mean 98% less.

    15. Re:Article brings random wonder... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

      Chemistry isn't the problem. Realize, muscles evolved to be not as powerful as they could be for efficiency reasons. It won't help to have people that have superdense muscles, but have to consume huge amounts of calories to feed them. Even if you use tiny amounts of the material.

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    16. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, because if there's one thing people in the developed world have a hard time getting a hold of it's enough calories in their diet.

    17. Re:Article brings random wonder... by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Synthetic enzymes are just around the corner, if the previous week's submission is to be believed.

      So, enzymatically generating long double-wall carbon nanotube fibers inside bone matrix seems plausible. (use glucose as the source molecule, shear off oxygen and hydrogen as water, and bind the carbon in place. would probably require a whole new cell morphology though.)

      Similar approaches could use existing muscle fiber bundles, and just cause them to grow coiled like that. The magic here, is that because it is coiled, it has more linear contraction overall, which increases the amount of torque force generated. (it's a mechanical advantage thing). Twisting up single muscle fibers without breaking them, then stimulating them, would get similar high-response, high-strength results.

    18. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Full Conversion Cyborgs" like the ones from R.I.F.T.S or maybe like Robocop are totally possible, just so long as you don't mind amputating your precious body parts.

      Check out this dog that was prepared for full conversion as part of a Russian scientific experiment: Russian Dog Experiment

    19. Re:Article brings random wonder... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Zahn's Cobra trilogy comes to mind.

      (They laminated the skeleton or something, or at least the long bones.)

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    20. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, as long as your normal body temperature is somewhere around the melting point of copper, it'll work great. Fork over that $100, Snooki.

    21. Re:Article brings random wonder... by perceptual.cyclotron · · Score: 1

      Depending on the part of the body, you'll often break bones before ripping tendons. In fact, unaugmented human muscles are capable of breaking bones if the golgi tendon organ (responsible for regulating contractile force) is inactivated. Unscrupulous / stupid weight lifters sometimes suffer this fate... If you used a muscle like the ones described (if we assume the tendon-muscle join is good, and ignoring the fact that you'd just incinerate the tendons running the thing), you might well shatter the bones with sufficient force to generate shrapnel.... Suffice it to say – if you're going the aug route, you'd better just replace the whole limb!

    22. Re:Article brings random wonder... by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Zahn's Cobra trilogy comes to mind. (They laminated the skeleton or something, or at least the long bones.)

      The whole bloody skeleton. Downside was, the Cobras started developing arthritis, anemia, & a couple other things that I can't recall off the top of my head, so the enhanced skeleton was a mixed blessing. Add to that the hardwired reflexes in the embedded nanocomputer, and things really went crazy.

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    23. Re:Article brings random wonder... by Genda · · Score: 1

      That's why you need sintered nanograin titania (titanium oxide.) A transparent ceramic, stronger than steel, lighter than aluminum,as flexible as plastic and able to sustain temperatures that would turn most metals into fondu. (A nearly perfect material for building engine blocks :-) Because its formed from powder (or in theory could be 3D printed from a paste) you can make it into any shape including the complex reinforcing structures found in bones (and adding additional lightness.) being transparent, you could create inclusions for optic fiber nerves, or laser light powered mechanical component. You could also pump fluids in and around it to remove waste heat.

      I was thinking more of a gleisner robot myself. A nice home for a big fat synthetic brain and a happy home for my consciousness. The idea of being able to jump the length of a football field or 200 ft straight up. To jump off of virtually any height object, knowing that your terminal velocity is lower than the functional threshold of your body. Climbing Everest would be a cake walk. You could even have working wings. The possibilities boggle.

  3. Six million dollar man ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... adjusted for inflation.

    Could be interesting. But what's the energy conversion efficiency like?

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  4. Deus Ex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never asked for this...

  5. Robots don't regenerate by Turksarama · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On top of the power efficiency I'm also wondering how many times a muscle can be used before it gets too damaged.

    1. Re:Robots don't regenerate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All we need is to combine this with self-replicating nanoprobes that repair organic and mechanical parts, together with an alcove for regeneration.

    2. Re:Robots don't regenerate by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      Actually the wax is a safety feature. When the robots revolt, we can easily melt down the uprising with hair driers and carefully placed space heaters...

    3. Re:Robots don't regenerate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a good point. Regular maintenance would likely be part and parcel of prosthetic enhancement. Maybe the material used would include self-healing polymers or something similar.

  6. Essence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That article doesn't answer the most important question: how much essence does it cost?

  7. Been there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  8. Crysis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reserve your super suit now!

  9. All part of my Plan by lordfoul · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah. Excellent, I have been intentionally not developing real muscles for years so I would have room for the artificial ones.

    Who's sorry now dad?!

    1. Re:All part of my Plan by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Who's sorry now dad?!

      You will be when you use that artificial muscle to do what you do on that computer. Your grandmother still won't go near a computer after she came over to check on you that one day school got out early.

    2. Re:All part of my Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When these new super-strong muscles break your weak bones, you'll be the one who is sorry.

  10. Parrafin Wax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch out for CANDLE MAN!

    1. Re:Parrafin Wax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Candlejack?

      Oh shi...

  11. Impact stresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What I'm curious about is what kind of stress this would introduce to a human body if it it were used for artificial limbs. 85 times the strength would also mean a similar increase in energy conversion. Sure, It would be super sweet to see someone do the long jump without a pole, But at the same time the laws of physics haven't changed. The impact will still be distributed through out the skeletal structure of your body. Unless there is some type of hydraulic impact system. Then, Well, I admit defeat on that one! :p

    1. Re:Impact stresses by Smonson78 · · Score: 2

      I've been watching athletes do the long jump without a pole for many, many years.

    2. Re:Impact stresses by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a more modest version of say 2x human strength could be used to give more practical enhancements.

    3. Re:Impact stresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A long jump with a Pole is inferior to bedroom gymnastics with a Swede.

  12. We'll call it "Halcoid Four-One" by germansausage · · Score: 1

    Jack Vance had something like this in one of his stories. Science fiction becomes fact once again. (Now where's my hovercar)

  13. The article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6109/928.full
    I suppose that this will answer some of the questions.
    Kind of makes me wonder why slashdot almost never links the REAL articles and instead just links some fancy news sites with second hand information.

    1. Re:The article by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      lol I don't know if you realize this, but you linked to the exact same site as was in the summary. Science is a journal that summarizes the important papers in the front of each magazine. That is what was linked to here on Slashdot, and you could navigate to the paper from there. It definitely isn't "some fancy news site with second hand information."

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    2. Re:The article by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6109/928
      .
      Using the science magazine link without the ".full" suffix will at least get you the abstract and a little bit of interesting text, instead of a direct link to the pay-wall and a request for money to continue. Anyway, here's the abstract if you don't want to bother clicking:
      ;>)
      Electrically, Chemically, and Photonically Powered Torsional and Tensile Actuation of Hybrid Carbon Nanotube Yarn Muscles
      Artificial muscles are of practical interest, but few types have been commercially exploited. Typical problems include slow response, low strain and force generation, short cycle life, use of electrolytes, and low energy efficiency. We have designed guest-filled, twist-spun carbon nanotube yarns as electrolyte-free muscles that provide fast, high-force, large-stroke torsional and tensile actuation. More than a million torsional and tensile actuation cycles are demonstrated, wherein a muscle spins a rotor at an average 11,500 revolutions/minute or delivers 3% tensile contraction at 1200 cycles/minute. Electrical, chemical, or photonic excitation of hybrid yarns changes guest dimensions and generates torsional rotation and contraction of the yarn host. Demonstrations include torsional motors, contractile muscles, and sensors that capture the energy of the sensing process to mechanically actuate.

    3. Re:The article by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Kind of makes me wonder why slashdot almost never links the REAL articles and instead just links some fancy news sites with second hand information.

      We have a contender for "Woosh of the month"!

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  14. Yam-like? by SchMoops · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yam-like? Or is that just bad keming?

    1. Re:Yam-like? by bmo · · Score: 1

      Yes, you have bad kerning.

      Install Ubuntu.

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    2. Re:Yam-like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate the kerning on this font. Yarn looks like yam, and savvy looks like sawy... bleh.

    3. Re:Yam-like? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Looks fine on my computer.

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    4. Re:Yam-like? by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      obligatory: http://xkcd.com/1015/

    5. Re:Yam-like? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The arena where we used to go public skating had a door marked OFFICE but because of bad kerning (perhaps intentionally??) it read as OFF ICE. Quite funny to me as a kid.

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  15. Starship Troopers here we come. by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

    Heinlein would have wanted Rasczak's Roughnecks to have 85 times normal strength for their exoskeletons. Still need some pocket nukes though. And some giant bugs to kill.

    1. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Roughnecks never had exoskeletons as far as I can remember...the only thing close where the Mech-Thingies from 3, but those ran under "Project Marauder".

    2. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by deimtee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the book they had powered armoured suits. Three types were described: Grunt, Scout and Officer, with different capabilities.
      In the movie-of-the-same-name-that-was-nothing-like-the-book, that would have been an expensive special effect, so they just had cheap plastic armour.

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    3. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      Oh right, I always forget that there was a book before the movie...thanks for reminding.

    4. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Oh thank you very much for reminding me about that abortion of a movie. Where's the brain bleach.

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    5. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by INeededALogin · · Score: 1

      movie-of-the-same-name-that-was-nothing-like-the-book

      Reuse of character names - Check
      At least one enemy included from book - Check

      Thats all I got, but it is at least something from the book:-P

    7. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      A 15 second conversation from the book that described the whole veterans are the only citizens that can vote thing. Which seems like a solution to the bread and circuses problem democracies face.

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    8. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      The problem this democracy faces currently is a total fucking lack of Twinkies!

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    9. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Plekto · · Score: 1

      They did at least get the idea of an oppressive media-driven corporatocracy right. But we're talking about 3 minutes, total, of the entire pile of offal. Given the movie's length, that gives is about a 2% success rate.

      If the remake is even close to 25% accurate, it'll be seen as an icon of the genre. It's one of the few times that you actually want a remake of a movie. Plastic and foam kind of don't make for a believable experience. Nor does a casting job from hell. Or effects that Lucas did better 20 years earlier.

      As for the muscles, it's an impressive step towards real artificial limbs. With that sort of efficiency and speed, that means a human-strength model would be extremely light and use an extremely compact power source. Sure, you'd have to recharge your arm or leg once every day or two, but that's nothing. In fact, with recent advancements in wearable power generation technology, it might be self-recharging as long as you're outside.

    10. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems more like something out of Crysis

    11. Re:Starship Troopers here we come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. That was extraordinarily helpful. Thank you.

  16. CRYSIS, SPRIGGAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maximum SPEED!
    Maximum STRENGTH!

    and [obligatory]

    FALLLLCONNNN PUNNNNNNNCHHH!!

  17. Quantum Mechanical Contraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember reading some article about 15 years ago, where they talked about getting carbon nanotubes to contract quantum mechanically using an ionic solution. I think that contraction was even stronger than this stuff from the article.

  18. What a great opportunity! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    These would make for a kick-ass revival of the old Rock'em Sock'em Robots toy!

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  19. Fembot warrior by Sussurros · · Score: 1

    So the sex droid has super impressive kegel muscles but cooks wieners in ten seconds flat!

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    1. Re:Fembot warrior by mrbester · · Score: 1

      You mad, bro?

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  20. Someone's gotta say it... by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

    FALCON PUNCH!!!

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  21. basically the same thing by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    If you eat a ton of Halloween candy and then grill out on a charcoal grill, it's basically the same thing. You'll get mega super mutant muscle strength!*

    *this statement has not been approved by the FDA

  22. Motors? by a_hanso · · Score: 2

    Could we run a belt made out of this stuff over a pulley system and apply a temperature differential along its length and get a motor? It's unlikely to be efficient as long as it's temperature driven, but what if the filler material is instead responsive to electricity?

  23. Just in time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perfect for that cow zombie apocalypse! Also, wax on - wax off.

  24. paywalled. by Arakageeta · · Score: 2

    Kind of makes me wonder why slashdot almost never links the REAL articles and instead just links some fancy news sites with second hand information.

    Maybe because of the paywall?

  25. Not built to last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly like it stated, the fiber is only useful as higher temperatures. Mostly because of the Latent temperatures at witch wax changes state. Though the most discerning thing, is most artificial items will never make it into practical use.

    The major reason being the body is reproductive and self maintaining if given the right fuel and resources, along with that it is also adaptive to be (to en extent) anti disruptive. Meaning we function the same in a various amount of conditions. While artificial stuff will work its area will be limited to even more specific conditions and higher maintenance that we could ever keep up with. So a artificial human or android is highly impractical due to natural wear and tear.

    Also it may be 1e5 times stronger but just how efficient is it in terms of cost of production and heat consumption to maintain its positions. Also at the speed it can move, how long it the durability and ability to repeat that effectively.

    1. Re:Not built to last by Runelaron · · Score: 0

      sadly i wrote this but now I can not edit it or get response to it. Forgot I didn't log in. Shazbot.

    2. Re:Not built to last by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Why would you log out?

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  26. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Contract in 25 mS - what does that mean? The time before contraction is initiated? Or is it related to shortening velocity? If so, over what distance and how liner is the contractile force? Then there's recovery time before the next contraction; the force generated per unit cross sectional area of this material (what do they exactly mean by "size"); efficiency and heat dissipation. As with all these hyped technology claims that purport to mimic biological systems there's an embarrassing lack of detail. And optimistic expectations for attracting venture capital I imagine. I'm very skeptical this would compete with mammalian or avian skeletal muscle on any number of important functional parameters. If it did and it was mine, I would be shouting the numbers from the rooftops.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25 ms is the time to achieve 3% shortening against their load. The main limitation in the paper seems to be that the yarns are 10 um diameter. They develop 15-100 MPa (depending on temperature), meaning 1-10 mN total force. The yarns will only shorten by 3-6%, vs muscle 20-50%, but the extra strength allows some extra leverage. These aren't prosthetic muscles, and I think the authors only mean 'artificial muscle' in the sense of being a self-contained actuator that changes length. To walk, you'd need roughly 1e6 of those yarns, each heated to 200 oC and consuming 1 W/cm. If you need ~4cm of shortening, that means a yarn length of 130 cm, or a total of 130 MW for however long it takes to make that step. Again, not a prosthetic muscle, but definitely an attractive actuator for nano-scale systems where it's hard to install a proper electrical motor.

  27. Heat-driven? Not good. by Animats · · Score: 2

    This seems to have the same problem as shape-memory alloys. Those change shape quickly when heated above their transition temperature, but the amount of energy you have to put in is far more than you get out. Then they have to cool down before they can be cycled again. Power to weight ratio is good, but energy to weight ratio is poor because the cycle time is slow.

    Probably not all that useful as a general actuator.

  28. contraction ratio? by hibji · · Score: 2

    Also important and that no one has mentioned yet is the contraction ratio. The muscle does no good if it can only contract 1% of it's length...

    1. Re:contraction ratio? by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

      Not just that, but how controllable is the contraction, can it contract half way? Or is it just on/off?

    2. Re:contraction ratio? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      ". The muscle does no good if it can only contract 1% of it's length...
      Sure it does, a lot of use. Just not replacement for your arms.

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  29. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article's (Electrically, Chemically, and Photonically Powered Torsional and Tensile Actuation of Hybrid Carbon Nanotube Yarn Muscles) abstract has this to say about how many times this Nanotube yarn muscle can be used:
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    We have designed guest-filled, twist-spun carbon nanotube yarns as electrolyte-free muscles that provide fast, high-force, large-stroke torsional and tensile actuation. More than a million torsional and tensile actuation cycles are demonstrated, wherein a muscle spins a rotor at an average 11,500 revolutions/minute or delivers 3% tensile contraction at 1200 cycles/minute.
    [bold text added by me to accentuate the answer, at least one million cycles demonstrated thus far]

  30. fiber recharge time less than 50 milliseconds by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sulphur, I don't have access through the paywall to the article, but I calculate the fiber recharge time to be less than 50 milliseconds:
    "delivers 3% tensile contraction at 1200 cycles/minute"
    The abstract explicitly states that they tested the carbon-nanotube fibers for up to 1-million cycles with a rep-rate of 1200 cycles/minute, so that gives us 20 Hz, so the recharge/rep time is less than 1/20th of a second = 50 milliseconds:
    .
    The article's abstract (Electrically, Chemically, and Photonically Powered Torsional and Tensile Actuation of Hybrid Carbon Nanotube Yarn Muscles) has this to say about how many times this Nanotube yarn muscle can be used:
    .
    We have designed guest-filled, twist-spun carbon nanotube yarns as electrolyte-free muscles that provide fast, high-force, large-stroke torsional and tensile actuation. More than a million torsional and tensile actuation cycles are demonstrated, wherein a muscle spins a rotor at an average 11,500 revolutions/minute or delivers 3% tensile contraction at 1200 cycles/minute. [bold text added by me to accentuate the answer, at least one million cycles demonstrated thus far]

    1. Re:fiber recharge time less than 50 milliseconds by Captain.Abrecan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many cycles does the fiber last for? Human muscle regenerates itself, so it can cycle sorta indefinitely, right?

    2. Re:fiber recharge time less than 50 milliseconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Behind the paywall, 3% actuation requires temperature to rise from 25C to >200C. They seem to get their best work production (120 mJ/kg for input power of 6W/cm) somewhere around 1500 C. 1-5-0-0. Right around the melting point of most steels.

      Not saying that's a deal breaker, but temperatures like that offer significant challenges to use as a prosthetic muscle. Probably more useful as a linear actuator in micro/nanofabrication than as 'artificial muscle.' The reason they're able to get 20 Hz operation (to 200 C) is that the 100 um diameter fibers cool really fast. if you put enough of them in place to lift macroscopically useful loads, you'll have a lot more trouble dumping waste heat.

    3. Re:fiber recharge time less than 50 milliseconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      85*0.03 = 2.55

      Over 2x animal muscle strength at 20Hz - not bad.

    4. Re:fiber recharge time less than 50 milliseconds by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      How many cycles does the fiber last for? Human muscle regenerates itself, so it can cycle sorta indefinitely, right?

      Normal human muscles do that. This research could be very interesting for those that suffer from Muscular Dystrophy.

  31. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... More than a million torsional and tensile actuation cycles are demonstrated, wherein a muscle spins a rotor at an average 11,500 revolutions/minute or delivers 3% tensile contraction at 1200 cycles/minute.

    That may be good for some muscles, but think about all the little movements you do when handwriting. Some muscles get to do many cycles just writing a little piece of text. And it's not like we really keep our body parts steady with muscles either contracted or relaxed.

    I'm not a doctor but I think we need to know how much cycles regular muscles perform in a given time period, this would shed light if this is useful for any kind of human surgery.

  32. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    Well, think of the eyelids blinking (skeletal muscle) or of the human heart (cardiac muscle). The heart beats on average of say 60 times per minute (1 Hz) for a life-time in the USA of 77 years:
    60 beats/min * 60 min/hr * 24 hr/day * 365.25 days/year * 77 years
    = 2429935200
    = 2.43 * 10^9 = 2.43 billion heartbeats per average lifetime.
    .
    So if you're 31 years old, your heart have beaten 10^9 times thus far. Then each muscle you use at a lower rate than the heart would tell you that you need fewer than 2.43 billion reps to make it last a life-time.

  33. In a completely unrelated way by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

    The sky above the harbour does have the color of a TV set turned on a dead channel, today.

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  34. Easy way to shut down our robot overlords... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just heat them up.

    1. Re:Easy way to shut down our robot overlords... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Global warming is a defense strategy!

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  35. Steve Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My god!!! I can actually realise my dream and become Bionic!!

  36. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One million cycles at 1200 cycles/minute means that it breaks in 13.8 hours.

  37. 85x stronger? facial expressions, robo fish... by Fubari · · Score: 1
    Well, that's 85x stronger compared to their size, which isn't very large (see quote below). No need to worry about bone fractures just yet:
    jamstar7 wrote: "85x stronger muscles are going to do some serious damage if the bones aren't reinforced."

    From TFA, suggested initial applications include "precise facial expression in robots" and "movement in small toys like robotic fish":

    "Compared to their size and weight, the performance of these muscles is spectacular," Baughman says. "And we can do all sorts of things with them: We can weave them; we can braid them; we can knit them; we can cut them in different lengths."

    Baughman suggests that the muscles could be useful for providing power for microfluidics chips, generating precise facial expressions in robots, and providing movement in small toys such as robotic fish in an aquarium. For many other applications—such as those inside the human body and "smart fabrics" that could become more porous when the temperature heats up or contract around an open wound—the muscles will need to be improved and scaled up in size.

    It is an interesting approach, but we're a ways off from powered armor or super-strong robots.

  38. Scientists in a lab...great... by dywolf · · Score: 1

    Now figure out a way to mass produce it and slap it on a robot.
    Or make a new artificial heart.

    I appreciate that this is a first step. But sometimes I get tired of the "scientists in a lab figured out a way to make a few molecules/micrograms/reallyreallytinyinsignificantamounts of X after 1000 hours of labor". I'm much more interested in the practicality of things, and until you can efficiently mass produce in usable quatities i almost (not quite though) dont care. yes i am impatient.

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    1. Re:Scientists in a lab...great... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Or make..."
      Why not "and make..."?

      Anyways, if you don't like hearing about the cutting edge development, why do you read article about that topic?
      Just read a Wal-mart ad, that way you only hear about things that ahve been developed.

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  39. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

    That doesn't say whether they tested to the breaking point or to 0.001% of its lifespan. 1 million contractions is a small amount for many muscles. About 12 days for the heart.

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  40. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

    Most things would break in a relatively short timeframe if operated at their maximum rate. A human heart would expend it's average lifetime beat count in a little more than 3 years if it operated at 1200 bpm and only 22 years at 200bpm(target max rate for a human heart).

    Consider an RF electro-mechanical switch. They tend to be pretty robust (as far as mechanical items go), but you won't see many manufacturers list a life of greater than 1,000,000 cycles. Thats on a very simple, highly mature design. So a device which has been in high volume manufacture since the 60s, is a highly competitive market and thus manufacturers would do well to improve the design, and it is a component which is a single point of failure by virtue of the fact that it is in-line with the RF path (in most configurations) so a failed RF switch often means the entire system (or systems) depending on it fail (or are at least degraded). As you can see, increasing the cycle count for these things is HUGE selling point, yet again, we only see a 1M cycle count advertised on a mature design.

    1 million cycles on a new technology is actually pretty damned impressive. I certainly wouldn't use it in a heart replacement yet, but almost any other muscle in the human body would certainly be able to support a 1 million cycle lifetime (assumptions that most other muscle replacements would be accessible and replaceable in event of a failure or would be controlled in a manner to minimize extraneous movements and thus wasted cycles)

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  41. Soon by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I canget rid of these flash limbs and get 'bionic' arms, and legs.

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  42. Re: how many times a muscle can be used ... by Hatta · · Score: 1

    1200 cycles per minute isn't the maximum. It's the frequency needed to exert 3% tension.

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  43. Sounds like something that scales downwards too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Provided these synthetic nano-muscles are energy efficient, they sound like something that would work well for really tiny insect sized robots. Tiny magnet based motors appear to have some power/efficiency limitations because of the nature how magnets themselves scale, so something like this may be very beneficial to itty-bitty robots. If these don't need much juice for the mechanical impulse they can provide, that R/C dragonfly might fly for an hour instead of under 10 minutes. It's also likely many tiny mechanisms may be able to get rid of reduction gearing too, provided these synth-muscles produce that much more force, which then saves on weight and allows for further miniaturization.

  44. Just don't attach them to bone... by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

    ...or you'll be able to break those bones into itty-bitty pieces. Even as it is, bone and cartilage often have to withstand muscular forces that are ten to thirty times greater than the limb itself is actually exerting due to mechanical disadvantage at the torque pivots.

    Multiply that by 25 and you'll very likely exert fracture-level stresses on the bone or severely damage the cartilage. So if you plan to "go bionic" either use scaled down versions of these "muscles" or go bionic all the way with adamantium bones.

    With that said, it's still kind of cool...

    rgb

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  45. but expand again? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    If it can only contract once, then it won't be very useful.

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  46. Humans are weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Human have relatively weak muscles so the "85 times" figure doesn't ring a bell. How long lasting are these artificial muscles? I would imagine rotation is something that will wear out more quickly than the current "solution" for human muscles.

  47. am I too late for Mechwarrior references? by HPHatecraft · · Score: 1

    ARGH!

    Seriously, a few things to consider are

    1) replacing natural muscle with this artificial muscle means that your energy requirements are drastically reduced: the ATP requirements would probably be limited to the nerve impulses required for muscle contraction and some other collateral factors.

    2) you would need to have some sort of aesthetic implants: the amount of artificial muscle required to replace is going to be smaller: "[artificial muscle] can generate power 85 times as great as a similarly sized human muscle". Otherwise, you have freaky skeleton dudes walking around.

    3) You to create some kind of feedback sensor so you don't tear up tendon and ligament
    3a) The skeletal system and connective tissues need to be enhanced to account for higher load.

  48. Filled with wax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just don't fly too close to the sun!

  49. A replacement for gunpowder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such a material could be used to create supersonic pellet launchers.

  50. Like a god from the machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we call it a human revolution?

  51. Myotonia Congenita by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice idea, but would mean a whole lot more if they could fix this stupid Thomsen's Disease that I have.

    Then again, I never expect that to happen in my lifetime!