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A Free Internet, If You Can Keep It

Kethinov writes "My Congresswoman, Zoe Lofgren, a prominent opponent of the infamous Stop Online Piracy Act, has introduced two bills to the U.S. House of Representatives designed to protect the free and open internet, expand the protections of the Fourth Amendment to digital communications, and protect against the introduction of any further SOPA-like bills. Since these are issues Slashdotters care deeply about, I wanted to open up the bills for discussion on Slashdot. The bills are: ECPA 2.0 and the Global Free Internet Act. Is my Congresswoman doing a good job? Is there room for improvement in the language of the bills? If you're as excited by her work as I am, please reach out to your representatives as well and ask them to work with Rep. Lofgren. It will take a big coalition to beat the pro-RIAA/MPAA establishment politics on internet regulation."

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  1. Still hope for the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a euroboy I can only urge you Americans to support politicans like this. Your political system seems bent and broken to me but this is a glimmer of hope at least. Keep fighting for your freedoms, they seem to dictate the direction the rest of us get herded.

    1. Re:Still hope for the US. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a euroboy I can only urge you Americans to support politicans like this.

      Zoe represents California's 16th district. It consists of most of the city of San Jose (where I live), Santa Clara, and Morgan Hill. It is probably the nerdiest congressional district in the country. People here care about this stuff, but it is not even on the radar of most politicians.

    2. Re:Still hope for the US. by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People here care about this stuff, but it is not even on the radar of most politicians.

      The point is you now have an official chance to get it on their radar. I hope you're not going to let it pass.

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    3. Re:Still hope for the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      As an American I would ask Europeans to please not tell Americans you support this. In fact, it'd really help if you come out strongly against this. Say Americans have to conform to the world view or something like that. Basically say whatever you'd normally say about the environment but replace the environment with Internet censorship. Thanks.

    4. Re:Still hope for the US. by rvw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks Europe. Your debt crisis and failing economic system are a shining star for all the world.

      Our debt crisis? Look at that big pink elephant behind you. Oh and it might be red with many golden stars, you know, like from communist China?!

    5. Re:Still hope for the US. by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As Winston Churchill reputedly once put it, "America can always be relied upon to do the right thing ... after exhausting all the alternatives."

      It took me about two decades of voting and following US politics to appreciate the full meaning of that. How can something simultaneously fill me with pride and exasperation? (I'll guess find out when I have kids.)

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    6. Re:Still hope for the US. by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Your political system seems bent and broken to me

      Compared to what, out of curiosity? I don't think anyone would argue that the political system here is perfect and there is no room for improvement, but to me there don't seem to be a whole lot of good models to follow. Sweden is about the only country that really seems to consistently be better than the US in the political system. Most of the rest of the world seems like examples of what not to do. The UK, France, and Germany seem 50-50.

    7. Re:Still hope for the US. by Maltese+Falcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This post says nothing untrue or insulting. He states a fact, our political system is bent and broken (in reality, they all are, just in different degrees. The second point he makes is to encourage us in supporting those U.S. politicians who act as Rep. Lofgren has here... to try to preserve and strengthen our freedoms and liberties, because as he basically said, the world looks to us. As the U.S. goes, so does the rest of the world.

    8. Re:Still hope for the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is people are still willing to lend us money hand over fist, even at a known loss to themselves.

    9. Re:Still hope for the US. by dinfinity · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. As of 2011, US public debt was at >100% of its GDP, almost putting it in the top ten:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

      If you look at external debt, it's a different picture:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

      If you cancel out what all the countries owe each other, it becomes even more interesting:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_international_investment_position

    10. Re:Still hope for the US. by aicrules · · Score: 2

      The fiscal cliff is just forced cuts and tax increases. Not something the average citizen wants necessarily, but far from being all bad.

  2. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is exciting that a member of Congress is doing this, I will reach out to my local representatives and ask them to support this.

    1. Re:Awesome by tylikcat · · Score: 3, Informative

      And you can find contact for your local rep here:

      http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

  3. I wish by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 2

    It would be great if I could get my congressmen to do something like this, or even support something like this, but they are so far up the ass of their corporate masters they can brush the CEO's teeth without him ever opening his mouth.

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    1. Re:I wish by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Well, if the people of your district continue to reelect them, I would say the problem lies elsewhere. That they may be "anti-tax, tea-bagger, jag-offs" and still win can only mean that they are a fairly accurate reflection of your neighbors. And as for the people they represent, it seems they're doing exactly what is expected. Either way, it's up to you all to replace them with somebody more to your liking.

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  4. Encourage positive behaviour from your politicians by Stolpskott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My spelling gives it away, probably... I am a Brit living outside the US. But Congresswoman Lofgren's approach is one that would go a long way to winning my vote, if I was living in San Jose and was eligible to vote.
    If you are in her Congressional District and you agree with her stance, I would suggest sending her a message of support (let her know that she is doing a Good Thing... she is not a mind-reader, and positive feedback is always welcomed).
    If you are not in her Congressional District, I would suggest sending your Congress-person a request to get behind her proposal, and also sending her a letter to say that you support her stance, and you have asked your Congress-person to do the same.

  5. Too late this year by Amezick · · Score: 2

    This seems like a throw-away bill. There is no chance it will make it to the president's desk before congress closes for the year and all bills have to start over.

  6. It will not take a big coalition. They are TINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't make the Mafia (one "a") look bigger than they are! The last time I checked, the whole global music industry made less in revenue than a single broke German construction company (Holzwinkel) made profit.
    And the by far biggest part of that was iTunes.

    It's not much different with the other media distribution and artist extortion industries.

    They just have a giant overblown ego. (Judging from what I've seen with EMI, SonyBMG, and Warner, my only guess would be massive cocaine abuse.)
    And they project that ego over everything, much like a Steve Jobs reality distortion field, so that politicians think the Mafia has some actual relevance.

    But 1. who says we can't blow up things just as much, and 2. their bubble only works if you believe in it. Otherwise it bursts quicker than a soap bubble in a nail bomb explosion.

    So please don't spread their reality distortions. (Including the one about imaginary property.) Because by doing so, like a Streisand Effect, you're helping your own enemy.

    Thanks.

  7. Actually read the bills by Saxophonist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I took a look at both bills. I'm not optimistic.

    I would need to dig more into the ECPA 2.0 bill, but there are, at a minimum, some technical problems with the bill's language. The purpose seems to be to abolish GPS tracking, but the language is weasel-y, and it needs to clarify some points such as interaction with state laws.

    The Global Free Internet Act appears to do nothing useful. It would create a task force ripe for regulatory capture, and it would probably result in less accountability than having groups continue to lobby Congress. Also, some of the factual statements about the Internet are incorrect, especially when making assumptions about the Internet's "original purpose."

    I'm not saying that we couldn't have quality legislation in these areas, but the proposed bills are lacking.

    1. Re:Actually read the bills by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you think its writing is better or worse than the typical bill?

      Do you think its real purpose id different than its stated intent?

      If we really want this bill, and really want it in a good fashion, we should make a wiki collaboration of it. Of course I am saying that, and it takes energy, and I'm heading off to work at the moment.

    2. Re:Actually read the bills by Saxophonist · · Score: 2

      In this case, to me, the bills just look ineptly written. That's to be expected, in a way; writing bills is not especially easy, and it usually takes a collaboration of people to look at all the possibilities and get it right. Unfortunately, sometimes that collaboration introduces corruption into the bill as well, since certain legislators will work for special interests. I don't think these bills are any different from others in this way.

      I don't know how federal bills get written. In my state, where I ran for legislature this year (and lost, but it was a good showing in a district that heavily favors the other major party), there is a legislative office with lawyers on staff who write all the actual bills.

      A wiki approach might be good. On the other hand, imagine what would happen to your open-source software project if everyone could contribute, nothing was explicitly vetted, there was no ability to fork, and the result really mattered and was difficult to change. Congress would, of course, vet the bill by voting on it if they chose to do so. Groups write model legislation all the time. Maybe this is something that the EFF could do? Another posted suggested having EFF look at these bills, which could be a good starting point.

    3. Re:Actually read the bills by aicrules · · Score: 2

      The axiom "Never apply to malice what can be attributed to stupidity" applies in reverse for laws like this. What may look like an ineptly written law is more likely meant to hide true, and nefarious purpose. Maybe it's not in this case, but that's my assumption. Global in the title worries me...internet does span the globe, but this is a US law. Don't want to bring the globe into it. I think an acceptable new version of the law would be titled Free Internet Act and would simply read: No law shall be inacted regulating the use of the internet. Done.

  8. What does the EFF say? by crow · · Score: 4, Informative

    It would be nice to have someone with a degree of credibility look at this legislation and report on how useful it really is. That's exactly the sort of thing that the EFF should be doing. Have they reviewed it?

  9. Re:4th A applies to email and posts hosted elsewhe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    No....the Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to personal email and that is one of the major points of ECPA 2.0. Right now, if your personal email is not in an "electronic communications system for one hundred and eighty days or less," it is receiving virtually no privacy protections at all. Even if it hasn't been 180 days yet, that communication could still be handed over by your service provider. How many governmental requests did Google/Gmail receive this past year....?

    The Senator is right (from TFA): "the defeat of SOPA should be more than cause for pride — it must also prompt action to secure the future of the Internet." But this is also about securing us NOW.

  10. Re:4th A applies to email and posts hosted elsewhe by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

    MAFIAA? Me. Because I believe that what I create is my own?

    I think big media is stupid and has created a ton of problems for itself because it doesn't change it's business model and because it backing these stupid laws (SOPA, ACTA).

    I'm a big supporter of eff.org. I don't use Facebook because of privacy issues. But all this doesn't mean that you can take someone else's property.

    When the last Harry Potter book came out - do you think it would have been legitimate for you to copy the book, print it and sell it and keep all the profit for yourself?

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  11. Why not apply wiki model to legislation? by bmearns · · Score: 2

    I've been thinking for a little while that it would be interesting to apply the wiki concept of communal editing to legislative proposals. This might be a good opportunity to start, since so many slashdotters will interested. Someone could set up a project and allow anyone to edit the Congresswoman's bill. Then when there is some kind of consensus, it can be submitted to her so she can pursue it further. Any volunteers?

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    1. Re:Why not apply wiki model to legislation? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      I would take it one further - the problem with wiki's is that they have a first-come, first served model, and the last edit wins.

      What you really want is to load the text of the bill into a git repository. Each user interested in amending the bill does so, pushes their branch, and proposes it for merging (with Gerrit or something similar).

      A web interface that permitted you to do the branching and editing would be great too.

      This sort of thing has already been done with things like the law of Utah, but mostly for review, rather than proposing amendments.

  12. Re:Orwell by compro01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Zoe appears to be good people. She lead opposition to SOPA and against PCIPA's data retention requirements. I don't like that she supported the Sonny Bono act, but her proposed Public Domain Enhancement Act (Which would require periodic renewal of copyrights after 50 years, though that bill has gone nowhere) redeems her somewhat.

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  13. Re:Hm... by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

    the problem is that SOPA is a Nuclear Option for IP things.

    even if you are not in the US you can still be on the hook for violating it if

    1 your internet presence has a edu /net / com extension

    2 some US company decides that you violated Their IP

    3 any of your business is in the US

    4 Your country has treaties that require it to match the US regs

    5 Your country has %resource% and the US decides that it needs to be Liberated (with the "corrections" to IP laws of course being part of that)

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  14. I do like her in some ways by Quila · · Score: 2

    Lofgren represents Northern California with the tech and Internet companies. They have a monied interest in an open Internet, naturally you'd think that their paid congresscritter fights for that. This bill falls right into that. However, back in 2002 she introduced a bill that would invalidate EULAs. That would seriously anger this core constituency. It really seems that she's looking out for us.

    Well, at least in this one respect (she still promotes institutional racism, unequal protection under the law, and flat-out doesn't believe in three of the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights).