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Activists' Drone Shot Out of the Sky For Fourth Time

garymortimer writes "Photos provided by the animal rights group show the multicopter smoking on the ground, with its lithium polymer battery supply smoldering. Another photo shows the drone's video camera smashed. The drone, dubbed 'Angel,' was a Cinestar 8 octocopter estimated at $4,000. This wasn't the first time SHARK has been shot out of the sky. This is the fourth drone that the group has lost while investigating pigeon shootings. One drone landed on club property, and is the subject of an ongoing lawsuit."

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  1. Over private property? by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you fly a drone over my land, ill shoot it down too. Its an invasion of my privacy and borderline trespassing.

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    1. Re:Over private property? by night_flyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its not even borderline trespassing, your property includes the space above your property

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    2. Re:Over private property? by schlachter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      at any altitude?
      what about public airspace?

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    3. Re:Over private property? by getto+man+d · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, check out Air Rights. I would be careful if a military / police drone was flying high enough above your property, in regards to the OP.

    4. Re:Over private property? by green1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think it's obvious that a 747 flying at 30,000 ft isn't trespassing... but it also seems obvious that somone on a hovercreaft skimming along a couple inches above the ground is. A drone weaving through your trees "feels" like tresspassing, but maybe one a couple hundred feet up wouldn't be?

      It does bring up an interesting question about where the distinction lies, what altitude is considered "public" vs "private"?

      Of course if the drone is camera equipped (almost guaranteed) you may be able to skip tresspassing rules and use peeping tom type laws against it at almost any altitude if it's filming parts of your property that would otherwise be private...

    5. Re:Over private property? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      In 1926 the U.S. Congress passed the Air Commerce Act, which declared that the "navigable air space" of the U.S. was a public highway, open to all citizens. Navigable air space was defined as the sky above "the minimum safe altitudes of flight" as determined by federal regulators — typically 500 to 1,000 feet above the ground.

    6. Re:Over private property? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, check out Air Rights.

      Beat me to it.

      Essentially, a property owner/renter "owns" the airspace up to about 500-ft (150m).

      And no, that doesn't mean you can take pot-shots at passenger aircraft. Unmanned drones I would think are another story.

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    7. Re:Over private property? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, there's also the fact that a 747 isn't spying on you - or even potentially spying on you. If someone's flying a drone on your property with the intention of watching you without your permission, I think they've definitely crossed a line. Also, is shooting pigeons a crime? If not, this also clearly differentiates the action from police investigation (assuming it's legitimate/lawful monitoring).

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    8. Re:Over private property? by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      at any altitude? what about public airspace?

      This issue is well-established in law. Ever seen those balloon rides or events? They tend to land on private property. In fact, it's pretty much inevitable. You know what happens? Nothing. The police don't show up. The land owner doesn't shoot the balloons out of the sky. Strangely, people seem to act civilized (shocking, I know). On occasion, the balloon chase vehicle and pilot need to pay for property damage, because they do land in crop fields from time to time, but this is well-understood by all parties to be the cost of doing business -- hand shakes resolve these issues more than lawsuits.

      Then you have animal rights activists. They take a position not supported by law (pidgeon shoots are legal) and then fly a loud mini-copter with surveillance gear over an area filled with dozens to hundreds of sharpshooters who disagree with their position. And they then acted shocked and dismayed when their toys get shot down and the police do nothing. News flash: The police don't have to investigate any crime. They have broad discretion. Know why? Because your neighbors dropping the bass at 2am may not be as important as the shots fired call four blocks away. And just about everything is more important than some inflammatory political activists pissing off their neighbors on purpose to try and make something that's legal now illegal tomorrow. If I'm a police officer, I'm going to be dragging my ass responding to any call you make, if I respond at all... because you're being a nuisance. This is like insulting the girl hanging off Mike Tyson's arm. Dude, you're gonna lose.

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    9. Re:Over private property? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

      "a property owner/renter "owns" the airspace up to about 500-ft (150m)." Which is about the maximum range of a shotgun.

      For slugs/sabot rounds, yea, about 150 yards is max range.

      For birdshot (the type of ammo you'd typically see in a pigeon hunt), you're looking at more like 40-60 yards.

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    10. Re:Over private property? by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And just about everything is more important than some inflammatory political activists pissing off their neighbors on purpose to try and make something that's legal now illegal tomorrow.
      How is spying on somebody who is obeying the law supposed to help make the activity illegal? Shouldn't they be spending all that time writing their congresscritters? Of course, the answer is "no", because what they are trying to do is paint the shooters in a bad light. Poke, Poke, Poke, Poke, Poke... Wham "Ow mommy, he hit me!" Then post a slashdot article and presto! Instant support for your position.

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    11. Re:Over private property? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly and some states are a hell of a lot stronger on private property rights. I know here in the south what it says on the books and what is actually true is two different things, judges here are pretty pro property rights and unless it was the cops spying on other people's property is pretty much a big no no, especially screwing with the hunters.

      And do these "animal rights" bunches know what will happen if you get rid of the hunters? i do because deer hunting was banned for a couple of years here while a court case was being fought, what you ended up with was huge herds of sickly starving deer running into the streets and causing quite a few accidents and a couple of deaths. Whether they like it or not unless they are willing to MASSIVELY repopulate predators like panthers, cougars, bears, wolves, and deal with the "Little Suzy was eaten by a bear" stories since we humans are fat and slow when little thus perfect predator chow? Well then you are just gonna have to put up with the hunters, because the game animals breed like bunnies because of thousands of years of dealing with large amounts of predators that just don't exist in the wild in the numbers to keep their population in check.

      so while I don't personally hunt (sitting out in the cold woods for hours freezing my nuts off ain't my thing) I personally have no problem with them,k because i know without them you'll have a huge overpopulation problem very quickly.

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    12. Re:Over private property? by saleenS281 · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are different tags for doe vs. buck to account for this, the DNR isn't stupid. For every "trophy buck hunter" there are 10 guys who just want venison in the freezer and would much rather take the easier deer.

    13. Re:Over private property? by Tastecicles · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know about the US, but in the UK the regulations are very specific: Feral pigeons are a pest species, to be destroyed by any lawful means; this includes destruction of eggs/nests, preventive measures on building overhangs against roosting birds (pigeons are by nature cliff dwellers), and shooting them. If a pigeon is on your land (owner or tenant) or you have the authorisation by the landowner to be on his land with a firearm of whatever description covered by whatever ticket necessary (air rifles over 12fpe and pistols over 6fpe require a class 1 firearms ticket, those below require no licence whatsoever), and you have the means to destroy it with a clean shot you're pretty much obliged by Law to do precisely that.

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  2. You'd Think They'd Learn by Revotron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see here... an animal rights group flying a camera drone over private property full of gun-loving people they happen to have pissed off... yeah, um, how else would that turn out?

    Need I remind the tree-huggers that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results? Or maybe they're getting the exact result they really want - lots of publicity for the low, low price of $4000 a pop.

  3. wait... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're using drones to investigate people that are good at shooting things that are flying in the air - seriously?

    1. Re:wait... what? by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are actually using the drones to harass the hunters by scaring the birds they are hunting.

      The drones are just a tactic to disrupt the hunters. These things should be shot down, and the idiots that keep sending them in should be arrested and thrown in jail.

    2. Re:wait... what? by scot4875 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The drones are just a tactic to disrupt the hunters.

      "Hunters" should be in quotes everywhere it's used in relation to this article. These people are as about as much of a "hunter" as a clay pigeon shooter is. It's kind of pathetic, really.

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    3. Re:wait... what? by IonOtter · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Do you have a citation for that?"

      He doesn't, but I do:

      Purdon's Pennsylvania Statutes and Consolidated Statutes. Title 34 Pa.C.S.A. Game. Chapter 23. Hunting and Furtaking. Subchapter A. General Provisions. Â 2302. Interference with lawful taking of wildlife or other activities permitted by this title prohibited

      Citation: PA ST 34 Pa.C.S.A. Â 2302

      Summary: This reflects Pennsylvania's hunter harassment law. It is unlawful for another person at the location where the activity is taking place to intentionally obstruct or interfere with the lawful taking of wildlife or other activities permitted by this title. Activities prohibited by this law include: driving or disturbing wildlife for the purpose of disrupting the lawful taking of wildlife; blocking, impeding or harassing a person engaged in lawful taking; using various stimuli to affect wildlife behavior to hinder lawful taking; and interjecting oneself into the line of fire, among other activities. Violation of this section is a summary offense of the second degree. A person adversely affected by prohibited activities may bring an action to restrain such conduct and to recover damages.

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  4. hunting? by schlachter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you eat the animals...that's a pretty damn good reason for killing it.
    When was the last time you ate a live animal?

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    1. Re:hunting? by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ya... no shit are they going to go after people who shoot prairie dogs on their land? Those people have some pretty good reasons for doing so... Animal rights groups are so hard to take serious because of people like this, I'm sure the owner of the drone worked hard for the 4k it cost... or more than likely just asked daddy. There's actual work that can be done to help the environment and the planet, spying on flying rat shooters doesn't make the top 100 even.

    2. Re:hunting? by vuke69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      EVERYTHING is tasty wrapped in bacon and fried in butter.

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    3. Re:hunting? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, when they are eatten they are called "squab". But, I've heard they are delicious.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squab_(food)

      Sort of like how we call cooked cow "Beef", cooked pig "Pork" , and cooked deer "Venision".

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    4. Re:hunting? by firex726 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also aren't pidgins a real nuisance in some cities that they try and exterminate them?

    5. Re:hunting? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wild pigeons? As in ones that live on insects and seeds and the like? Hell yeah, it's like extra-gamey pheasant, quite a livery taste, very nice indeed. If you want to eat a little more efficiently then go for something bigger like goose, but pigeon is very nice indeed. I wouldn't recommend the city variety though, never tasted it but I'm sure it's not as good for you...

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    6. Re:hunting? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      I ate a chicken once.. Tastes like frog legs

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    7. Re:hunting? by timothyf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're not eating them. From TFA:

      The Philadelphia Enquirer reported that SHARK lobbied the Pennsylvania statehouse in January, seeking legislation that would end pigeon shooting in the state. These hunting events involve capturing or breeding pigeons in cages, and releasing a large number of birds from cages to immediately be shot or wounded by hunters.

      Pigeon shooting opponents contend that these events violate animal cruelty laws, and SHARK has used aerial footage obtained from drones to strengthen that argument.

      “the predictable outrage generated by gruesome videos showing captive pigeons getting released from wooden crates, attempting to fly away, only to get blasted within seconds by a shooter who’s apparently only a few yards away, reinforces both the ethical stance and the financial status of animal activists who want to ban not just canned hunting but much of animal agriculture,” read an editorial in the Drovers CattleNetwork, a beef industry news periodical.

      Honestly, I'm not a fan of the practice on practical grounds (what if the pigeon gets away? you're adding to the pest pigeon population, since these are bred, not captured), but I'd say that if it's private property, drones like this deserve to be shot down.

    8. Re:hunting? by Cosgrach · · Score: 5, Informative

      WHAT?!?!!

      Dude, I used to raise chickens. They eat pretty much anything. Worms, snails, bugs, small children, and yes, some grain - you name it, chickens will eat it.

      If you are eating 'free range' chickens, then they are eating everything in sight. Caged chickens eat mostly grain, but that is not their natural diet. They get grain to make them fat.

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  5. Spying on neighbors is illegal by blogagog · · Score: 4, Informative

    This group sneaking cameras into others' private property should be arrested for being peeping Toms.

  6. investigating pigeon shootings by cfulton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love animals too. But, pigeon shootings? The town council in most small towns would buy the shells if you would kill the pigeons that flock to the town square. Sorry about their little toy helicopter, but you get what you deserve.

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    1. Re:investigating pigeon shootings by cfulton · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Just looked it up on in my hunters guide:

      Pigeons, also known as rock doves or rock pigeons, are classified as a pest species, not a game species, and can be shot year-round.

      What exactly are they complaining about. Sounds like lawful activity to me.

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    2. Re:investigating pigeon shootings by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 'hunters', and I use that word loosely, seem to be growing pigeons in cages and releasing them from crates, whereupon they are shot by people standing a few yards away. 'Canned hunting' they call it. Idiot rednecks I call it.

  7. Re:What type of shot? Was it birdshot? by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Were standard rounds shot into the sky?

    What makes you think the shooters would need anything more than birdshot for a flying bit of ABS plastic, nylon, and a lithium battery and a couple of PCB boards? If you could hit it, a single BB or pellet from a decent-quality air rifle or a "wrist-rocket"-type slingshot could take one of those quad-rotor R/C models out.

    If the hunters were smart, they'd get themselves a net-gun and capture these things mostly intact, then sell them on Ebay to finance more live pigeon shoots while loudly and publicly crediting this animal rights group for helping sponsor them.

    Strat

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  8. FAA Regulations Apply by Above · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the FAA altitude regulations:

    Title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general
    Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes;
    (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
    (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2.000 feet of the aircraft.
    (c) Over other than congested areas.
    An altitude of 500 feet above the surface except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In that case, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
    (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed In paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
    Helicopter operations may be conducted below the minimum altitudes set for fixed-wing aircraft. The reason? The helicopter's unique operating characteristics, the most important of which is its ability to execute pinpoint emergency landings during power failure. Further, the helicopter's increased use by law enforcement and emergency medical service agencies requires added flexibility in the application of many FAA provisions.

    1. Re:FAA Regulations Apply by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit.

      Skilled helicopter pilots routinely practice autogyro landings to stay sharp. The best I've known could drive a construction marker spike into the ground with his skid while autogyroing (again to stay sharp). Granting he was a retired helicopter test pilot.

      The deadmans curve is altitude _or_ forward motion. If you have ether you can autogyro.

      You have complete control when autogyroing, what you don't have is a second shot. Just like gliding in a fixed wing.

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  9. Since it's clear nobody RTFA by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “the predictable outrage generated by gruesome videos showing captive pigeons getting released from wooden crates, attempting to fly away, only to get blasted within seconds by a shooter who’s apparently only a few yards away, reinforces both the ethical stance and the financial status of animal activists who want to ban not just canned hunting but much of animal agriculture,” read an editorial in the Drovers CattleNetwork, a beef industry news periodical."

    In other words, they're not killing pests. They are doing absolutely nothing to improve the environment. They are purposely breeding these birds in captivity, then releasing and redmisting them, for the sole purpose of their own entertainment.

    I'm sorry, but these arn't hunters. They're 5 year olds in grown up redneck bodies who are too stupid to figure out the controls on an X-Box.

  10. Uh, right. by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

    FTFA

    >âoeSHARK used the drone to successfully videotape illegal animal abuse committed at the pigeon shoot for nearly the entire day,â

    No they didn't.

    Pigeon shooting is legal.

    http://bensalem.patch.com/articles/da-dismisses-pigeon-shoot-citations

    âoeThe shooting of pigeons in Pennsylvania is unquestionably legal,â the release stated. Efforts by Seeton and others to persuade the Pennsylvania General Assembly to ban pigeon shooting failed as recently as December 2011.

    The DAâ(TM)s office agreed however that efforts must be made to ensure that animals wounded but not killed by shotgun are humanely killed. Gun clubs must conduct a complete search of their property and adjacent areas for the purpose of retrieving wounded birds at the end of the pigeon shoot.

    And good luck getting pigeon shooting banned in PA, or any other kind of shooting and hunting. The first day of deer season is a state holiday, for instance.

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  11. Dropping the bass? MORE animal abuse? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> your neighbors dropping the bass at 2am

    Isn't that animal abuse too?

  12. Re:FCC may not allow it by NIK282000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure if you follow PETA's actions very closely but the legality of other peoples actions has no bearing on whether PETA harasses them.

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  13. You need to learn a bit more about firearms by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Birds are not shot with rifles, they are shot with shotguns, also sometimes called scatter guns. These are smooth bore weapons, no rifling, that can fire out "shot" which is a collection of small pellets. How small varies depending on the shot load. For bird hunting "birdshot" is used. The largest would be about 4mm though that is rarely used, more commonly it is around 2.5mm. The purpose of this is threefold:

    1) To increase the area of effect. Point shooting a small, moving, target is very hard. Shot spreads out and thus provides a wider hitbox. It makes it far easier.

    2) To decrease damage to the target. A high powered rifle round could annihilate much of a bird, rendering any meat one might get useless (remember this was all developed back when it was hunting for sustenance). Light shot causes shallower wounds.

    3) Safety. So long as the gun is fired above the horizon, it is of no danger. The shot is metal spheres, and thus cannot maintain a ballistic trajectory. Due to their small size, they are very subject to friction and lose their kinetic energy quickly. When they fall to the ground, they are not dangerous.

    So no, there will be no problems with someone missing and hitting a neighbour. For a bullet to be dangerous over long distances it needs to be fired from a rifled weapon. The spin stabilizes it and allows it to maintain a ballistic trajectory and thus its energy even over very long distance. Thus when fired at an upward angle it could indeed fly for a long time and hit with lethal force.

    For all those reasons, you'll see something like this done with 12ga shotguns loaded with #6-8 birdshot, not a 7.62x51mm rifle loaded with BTHP rounds.

    1. Re:You need to learn a bit more about firearms by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a reporter. They don't know which end of the gun is the business end. Remember the press reported that the Aurora shooter used an "AK-47" when in fact it was an AR-15 variant.

      http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/journalists_firearms_identification_guide/

      That chart is not too far off.

  14. Learn a bit about hunting... by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bit of advice: When shooting at targets in the air, hunters generally use a shotgun, IE a smoothbore firearm loaded with little balls of lead or bismuth* alloys. In any case, shotguns loaded with shot are hazardous for far shorter distances, which is why you're allowed to fire them into the air.

    Given that they were hunting pigeons, shooting at the drone with a rifle would require the 'dipshit' to go back to his vehicle or building and retrieve a rifle, and it's a tough shot.

    It's far more likely many of the hunters 'donated' a shot or two at the drone with their pigeon guns. Pigeons relatively small birds, a commonly recommended size is #7.5. As Dick Cheney so ably demonstrated while hunting quail using the same #7.5 shot you'd expect for pigeon, you can easily survive being shot in the face with it merely 30 yards away.

    Given the way the protestors tend to operate, I can fully believe them going 'closer! closer! to the point that the drone ends up within easy range** even for short range shot. Then it's just a matter of a 'lucky hit', which isn't hard when each shot is tossing ~250 pellets at the target.

    *Less enivornmentally hazardous than lead.
    **With this type of shot, it's more a question of penetration at range than the hitting itself. If they're not doing enough damage, I'd imagine that a few might of had some shells loaded with larger pellets, perhaps #4-5, which would have more energy out that far, at the expense of fewer balls.

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  15. Dangerous practice by Narrowband · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One other fact nobody has mentioned is that by flying this over people, PETA is also violating several provisions of the code of conduct established b the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) intended to help keep the public safe. Model helicopters in the $4K range are no-joke dangerous if they hit someone. This sort of activity (especially using a helicopter to harass people) puts at risk the rights of geeks everywhere to build and fly model aircraft, by encouraging legislators and bureaucrats to pass new laws and regulations.

    AMA code

    If any of the PETA people doing this are AMA members, I hope they have their memberships revoked...