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US Judge Orders Apple To Share HTC Deal Details With Samsung
another random user writes with this news from the BBC: "A U.S. judge has ordered Apple to disclose details of its patent-sharing deal with HTC to its rival, Samsung. Apple and HTC signed a 10-year licence agreement earlier this month, but did not make the details public. Samsung, which is also involved in various patent disputes with Apple, asked the courts to tell Apple to furnish the information. It said it was 'almost certain' the deal covered some of the patents at the centre of its dispute with Apple. The court ordered Apple to produce a full copy of the settlement agreement 'without delay,' subject to an 'attorneys' eyes only' designation, meaning it will not be made public."
... when, instead of competing fairly and squarely with Samsung, they decided to drag Samsung's Galaxy products through the courts and get their sales banned in several different territories, including several European countries. Samsung's products are well priced, well designed, well manufactured and ooze a sense of "quality" overall, while Apple is more of an "electronics fashion brand" in its marketing approach, catering to i-fanboys and i-fangirls who'll buy anyhing branded "Apple". ------ Face it, Apple: You cannot compete with a behemoth like Samsung by trying to twist the courts/the law to your advantage. Put some proper innovation on the market before Samsung, which makes seriously good products, rolls right over you... Good luck to you, because Samsung are seriously good at product design...
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
Yeah we do. I can understand HTC and Apple wanting confidentiality, there's all sorts of confidentiality clauses and Samsung seemed happy at first with the redacted document. Clearly the judge isn't and has ordered this limited disclosure.
It looks like HTC asked for the redactions and Samsung accepted.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/apple_redacted_agreement_samsung/
Sadly no source from The Registers article. Afterwards Samsung asked to see the whole thing.
http://allthingsd.com/20121121/apple-happy-to-redact-htc-deal-down-to-33-words-just-for-samsung/
Now it looks like Samsung gets to see the whole document "without delay" now that the judge has ordered it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/22/us-apple-samsung-idUSBRE8AL04020121122
Watch those corners
You'll lose that bet. Samsung is cool and level headed. Apple is known for childish antics like their "apology" to Samsung in the UK. Samsung's legal team are professionals. Apple grabbed the headlines with a billion dollar settlement, but it will be Samsung that has the last laugh. Samsung will easily get that verdict overturned on appeal. They are professionals, not amatuers like Apple legal.
Truth is stranger than fiction...
http://imgur.com/gallery/Swtc9
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
Apple claims that patents in question are so valuable, that you can not price them in money. Therefore (according to Apple), Samsung products should be banned from the market. Samsung wants to prove that Apple sold those patents to HTC and therefore they have monetary price. If they have a price, Samsung products should not be banned. Even if the product is found to be infringing, Samsung would have to pay money instead of having banned product.
Eventually, make this whole patent/licensing/royalty an open market. The gov't grants you a patent. Fine. You get to decide what its worth. No problem. So, put up a 'For Sale' sign. You want $X per unit to use your technology. You accept that price from any buyers.
This would go a long way toward ending patents as a club to selectively beat competitors over the head. And once we put a stop to that nonsense, companies will be a lot less enamored with their patent portfolios.
Have gnu, will travel.
stomping around the universe.
Best not to be underfoot during this battle.
So the question remains, which one is Samsung, and which Apple ?
Why does it matter which is which? That was the whole point of the Dawn of the Third Age. Both "parents" were just as bad as each other.
Why would it matter to Samsung if the deal between Apple and HTC concerns some patents that are in dispute?
Apple has alleged that Samsung has caused them 'irreparable harm' by violating their patents, and has requested (and in somes cases gotten) injunctions against Samsung products in several cases now.
Samsungs counter argument is essentially:
(disputed assumption 1) Assuming your patents are valid, and (disputed assumption 2) Assuming we infringed those patents, then: its still not irreparable harm. Apple settled with HTC on those same patents which suggests that infringing those patents isn't irreparable, and that money can 'repair' the harm after all, and that therefore an injunction isn't needed.
Of course its all moot if Samsung is able to get assumption 1 or 2 invalidated, but they're fighting this case at every level.
See:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012112121031884 .
For those too lazy to follow a link, here is the gist:
"Earlier this month Samsung asked that the court force Apple to turn over its settlement agreement with HTC, and today US Magistrate Judge Paul S. Grewal granted that requested. According to Samsung, the document could play a vital role in determining whether it will need to take any of its products off the market in the wake of the $1.049 billion verdict Apple won back in August. If Apple licensed some of its unique user experience patents, Samsung argues, then Cupertino is clearly fine with competitors using that IP as long as it receives money in return â" and since Apple will be receiving a payout in connection with the verdict, the extra step of an injunction isn't justified."
In plain text: Apple: no injunctions for you and drop the damages you ask to what you can actually negotiate in the marketplace.
Want to bet that Apple isn't at all happy about this?
Now it looks like Samsung gets to see the whole document "without delay" now that the judge has ordered it.
The good news is that Apple can give Samsung the original document, and they'll just copy it.
[ducks]
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
First Samsung has copied no more from apple then apple has from samsung, actually probably less. Also the fact that you are ignoring apples first attempt at the court order shows how much of a fanboy you are.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
May want to look at a more reliable source when it comes to litigation. If Samsung was happy with the redacted version it would not have went to oral arguments: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012112121031884
When you cant win, ad hominem.
It helps because there are patents apple states it cannot and will not license to others because of the harm it would cause them. If they licensed them to HTC then that proves at worst they were wrong, and at worst they lied to the court.
When you cant win, ad hominem.