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Seas Rising Faster Than Projected
New submitter zenyu writes "IPCC's 2mm per year estimate for sea level rise at current CO2 levels has proven too optimistic. Sea levels have been rising 3.2mm per year in the last two decades. The IPCC's 50 cm — 100 cm projection for the next century may prove equally optimistic."
Just tell those seas you don't believe in global we fucked up the climate change.
That's the cheap choice. And it's all we're gonna do.
This is their entire purpose in life - to force you to pay to do anything by using their energy resources. And, they're going to do everything they can to make sure any bad news about energy consumption goes away.
Remember kids, this is why you fight the energy companies. Do everything you can to fight them back!
Do you deny that Americans are generally the cause to all of the world's problems?
Bad news about energy is good news for energy companies, that means they can have a new excuse to charge more for energy.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I've grown extraordinarily pessimistic that anything can or will be done about climate change at this point, and my only thought at this point is that we just need to enjoy what we can until the inevitable self-inflicted pain and suffering we will endure from its affects.
So let's all party for tomorrow we may die.
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Every estimate has been overly optimistic. Can anyone see a problem with this? Essentially throw out the best case scenario and look at the worst case scenario as the baseline. Anyone not panicked at the thought of this IS A FOOL! After a decade plus of denial we come out with the worst case scenario is our best case. Basically three foot of ocean level rise is the best we can hope for and the likely result is twice that. Kiss all that coastal property goodbye! Forget all that because it mostly affects rich people. Just look at the Great Lakes. They stand at record levels. Remember this ISN'T the bad this is the best we can expect for the next 100 years and it may get worse after that. Drought is likely to be the norm not to mention storms damage. In 10 or 20 years the conservatives will blame the liberals for not telling them how bad it could get. Okay from a liberal here's how bad it can get, ever see Road Warrior???? That's bad. Good is probably Soylent Green. Any questions????
All we are going to do about it is shoot the climate scientists for not doing enough to warn us.
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One of the most regretful moments of my life was when a few people from an organization I don't remember were visiting my school, claiming that rising sea levels are nothing more than myths and scare stories. I clearly remember the guy in front of the class being all smug, saying "I'm sure you've all seen the movie Water World. Well, that's just Hollywood because the sea is never going to rise. Ice floats on water and has actually a lower density than water, therefore, if it melts, the sea level is going to stay the same or actually -lower-....".
I was in agony, on the one hand I wanted to shove Antarctica, an entire continent packed with ice, full in his face, but my shyness, fear of being at the center of attention and making a scene by completely discrediting these highborn scientific authorities that had come to talk to us, made me stay quiet.
Man, how much I regret having stayed quiet.
recent data doesn't show any increase in rate of sea level rise:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
looking at the decadal rate of increase it has actually been falling off for last 5 years:
http://www.masterresource.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/sea_level_rise_fig1.jpg
doesn't appear to be any significant alteration in rate of rise over last 100 years, rate of rise in 30's-60's was about the same as current:
http://www.oceanclimatechange.org.au/content/images/uploads/2012_sea_level_fig1.jpg
A rather big factor that needs to be taken into account is that since the 1950's there has been a massive amount of ground water abstraction for agriculture that is estimated to contribute something like 0.4-0.8mm/year to sea level rise (15-25% of total).
http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/2012/05/120531-groundwater-depletion-may-accelerate-sea-level-rise/
The IPCC always said that various positive feedbacks were not included because the science wasn't clear enough. That always implied that the AR projections were the best possible case, and don't forget that those were the consensus opinion - meaning that if the Saudi delegates didn't agree it wouldn't go in the AR.
I just hope the AR5 will be a little more realistic and a wake-up call.
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In general when someone makes an estimate of something, they are too low 50% of the time and too high 50% some of the time. Somehow they are always underestimating the figures. Doesn't seem very likely to me. More likely people are just exaggerating to get attention. If this isnt happening then looked at from a scientific point of view. If the model they are using for the climate is consistently giving figures that are too low, it doesnt mean we must give more credit to that theory, it means we must look for a new one.
... were visiting my school....
I assure you that if you spoke up, you would have been belittled by the smug asshole, your teacher would have joined in or told you to shut up, you would have been sent to the office, your parents called, and suspended. You then would probably would have been forced to apologize to those kooks.
No you did the right thing. And not only that, I can be pretty sure those smug asshats walked away thinking they did a great job getting the "word" out about the "truth". Those people are delusional. All the data in the World will never change their mind. And as more things are done (hopefully) to deal with Global Warming, those people will be scratching their heads wondering why there's so much support for such actions. Kind of like the Fox News crowd who couldn't believe that Obama kicked Romney's ass in the elections. Actually it is the same crowd.
The Fox News - Talk Radio crowd are so ill informed that they are living in a delusion of what reality is. Why right now, they firmly believe that Obama is going to pull some sort of a legal thingy doodle and be in office until 2020. But that's another story and post ....
An American advocating action in America is entirely sensible. Englishmen should advocate action in England. Chinese peple should advocate action in China. Our leaders should talk to each other on our behalves to ensure that everyone does the right thing, but it has to start with electing leaders who are willing to do what we think needs doing.
It's not like we need to move New York or Miami overnight.
Yeah, it's not like New York City recently experienced severe flooding or something causing at least $60 billion worth of damage, killing a few people, and basically shutting the whole place down for days.
As far as how much of a sea level rise is really really bad, see for yourself:
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
(Although I guessing some would be happy to see New Jersey or Washington DC underwater)
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You have got to admire the objectivity of Slashdot readers. I posted an article with a reference to the NOAA site that has global sea-level data online, for all to see. This data contradicts TFA (which is primarily a political report). Slashdot did not disappoint - within a couple of minutes, my comment was moderated into nonexistence..
Here's a second chance: go look at the actual, raw data. Lots of stations have data for nearly a century. None of them show the kind of recent change in trend that the article claims.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
....is the loaded language used by the report writers specifically and AGW theorists in general.
One is "carbon pollution"...that's great as it attempts to automatically put somebody who has questions in the role of supporting pollution. A disingenuous position at best...morally corrupt at worst.
Another is "..may be biased low". Yeah, sure...but they may *also* be "biased high". Based on recent purchases by some of AGW theorists (such as Al's beachfront property) I'm wondering how much *they* really believe it themselves.
Just noticed that here in the morning....I'm sure more hyperbole will pop out once I've dug into the latest claims....
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This comment is sort of like an Italian criticizing Nazi Germany in 1939. Perhaps you have forgotten that your country and indeed pretty much the entire WORLD has been all too eager to assist the US government in perpetrating its crimes against humanity?
Maybe it isn't the individual people that are the problem, but rather the politicians? Just maybe?
I thought the seas stopped rising in 2008...somewhere around January or February.
Coulda sworn I heard that a zillion times.
WTF?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Go ahead and keep thinking you don't need a shower. I'm sure you'll keep your job.
Yes, because the U.S. is so evil and corrupt--as opposed to all of Africa, South America, Asia, most of the Middle East, etc. And despite never having had an empire to speak of--like Britain, France, Mongolia, Italy, Iran, etc.--the U.S. is clearly responsible for all the problems in the world. And when it comes to invading other countries, well, clearly no one compares to the U.S.--certainly an enlightened country like Britain would never consider something as brutish as invading 90% of the countries in the world. Only the evil, uncouth U.S. does that!
Yes, the U.S. is the cause of all your problems. You bear absolutely no responsibility for any of your own goddamned messes. It's all those evil Americans' fault.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
'In the 1970s scientists were predicting an ice age, now it's global warming.'
There's plenty of deniers who claim warming isn't happening, who claim its a conspiracy to raise taxes, who cite a Time magazine article from the early 1970s (when global warming actually still was more or less a consensus) as evidence of some discrepancy in the sciences, because apparently 40 years of scientific advances can be refuted by misquoting what scientists 'believed' in the past.
Deniers won't be able to find 'safe places' to camp out, it's not like one can just find a bunker and ride it out for a couple of years. Even if some now accept that warming is taking place, the science is still being denied. The net effect, doing nothing, is the same. The difference amounts to splitting hairs.
Although it's true there are parts of the world that won't be hit as hard as others, and those of us who live there won't have to worry about camping out.
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw
You seem to be confusing storm surge and a big*ss rain cloud with sea Levels rising. A few mm of sea rise didn't flood Manhattan. Your underlying point may well be valid, but your supporting argument of it doesn't float.
Why, oh why, didn't I take the Blue Pill?
The point is that New York City is very vulnerable to a relatively small increase in sea level, and we got a demonstration of how much damage it could do in a very short amount of time.
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Although it's true there are parts of the world that won't be hit as hard as others, and those of us who live there won't have to worry about camping out.
No, but we'd have to dig in and stock up like survivalists. We probably couldn't keep a few hundred million displaced people out anyway. Right now a trickle of Africans are trying to cross the Mediterranean into Europe. When Europe south of the Alps becomes uninhabitable, the North will be overrun. As will Canada and Siberia.
No actual scientist in the field ever predicted that Florida would be underwater by 2012. And no, Al Gore did not make that prediction either. You need to pay more attention to the time frames that people put on their projections.