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Nokia Asks Court To Block RIM Products For Violating Patent Agreement

itwbennett writes "The ITworld article reads: 'Nokia has asked a California court to enforce an arbitration award that would prevent Research In Motion from selling products with wireless LAN capabilities until the companies can agree on patent royalty rates. Nokia and RIM both declined to comment on Nokia's request, a copy of which was obtained by IDG News Service, but such a filing is typically made after two parties settle a dispute through arbitration but one party does not follow through on the agreement.'" Also from the article: "The patents in question are U.S. patents 5,479,476, which covers user-adjustable modes for phones; 5,845,219, which covers call alert during silent mode; 6,049,796, which covers real-time search on a personal digital assistant; 6,055,439, which covers a cellphone user interface; 6,253,075, which covers call rejection; and 6,427,078, which covers a small, handheld workstation."

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  1. This is idiotic by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These patents are round-corner-grade stupid.

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  2. This makes me sick by ciderbrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These shouldn't have patents in the first place! They'd patent the wheel if they could.

    1. Re:This makes me sick by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny
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    2. Re:This makes me sick by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

      Coffee, meet monitor. Monitor, meet coffee.. wonderful. :)

  3. I have patented breathing. by concealment · · Score: 5, Informative

    Patent # 6,742,087: "Oxidative process for exchange of atmosphere across a membrane."

    You all owe me everything you've ever earned.

    This patent thing is getting to the silly point. The original idea was that by making some ideas owned by certain parties, you would force others to innovate around them. But that doesn't really apply when we're talking about a standard (Wi-Fi) on a standard type of device (PDA).

    At that point, we're just holding ourselves back.

    1. Re:I have patented breathing. by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But that doesn't really apply when we're talking about a standard (Wi-Fi) on a standard type of device (PDA).

      I couldn't agree more. We've had variants of 802 for decades (it's ethernet basically), and 802.11 since 1997 or so.

      To me this sounds like so many patents which seem to read "a system for doing something well known, but with a computer". Connecting a device to a network isn't exactly anything new ... having a hand-held device connect to a wifi network is something which is pretty obvious by now.

      Does Nokia try to sue laptop makers who connect to wifi? Or does some how "with a cell phone" magically make this an innovation?

      All tablets I've ever seen can connect to wifi, and some of those can also use cell signals as well. Does Nokia sue them? What is the cutoff point at which adding wifi to a new device ceases to be an innovation, and becomes something obvious?

      This is really stupid.

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    2. Re:I have patented breathing. by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Patent # 6,742,087: "Oxidative process for exchange of atmosphere across a membrane."

      You all owe me everything you've ever earned.

      Well, that depends entirely on the claims. What exactly is the "oxidative process" you've patented, and what part of the process would not be obvious to someone skilled in the art of biochemistry?

      This patent thing is getting to the silly point. The original idea was that by making some ideas owned by certain parties, you would force others to innovate around them.

      No, the original idea was to create an economic incentive to solve one's own design problems, rather than just waiting for someone else to do the hard work, then copying their result cheaply.

      In the grand Slashdot tradition of bad analogies, consider a school where cheating on exams is forbidden, but students are allowed to openly sell their answers for whatever price they want. Now there's a financial motivation for a student to do their own work first, and sell it off. Of course, there are bullies trying to get something for nothing through sheer force, and there are also manipulators who will make false accusations to screw over someone else.

      But that doesn't really apply when we're talking about a standard (Wi-Fi) on a standard type of device (PDA).

      Okay. Now implement the standard RFC 1149 on a cell phone. When you figure out how to fit the tiny birdcages into the phone, breed the tiny pigeons, and train them to seek a particular mobile device rather than their home, let me know. Since it's just combining two standards, surely it's not a problem if I copy the solution?

      At that point, we're just holding ourselves back.

      What's holding our technology back isn't the patent system. It's the abuse of combining patents and standards, with different license terms to different manufacturers of "standard" devices. What I'd like to see are reduced patent terms, based on the time-to-market for different industries. Software, for example, may only have a patent life of five years, because after that time the state of the art will have moved on, and the old program is obsolete. I'd also like to see a requirement for any patented standard to have a fixed license fee. If your technology becomes part of a published standard, you must allow licensing at a flat per-copy rate that is open for alteration by a suitable judge.

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  4. Two bald men... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...fighting over a comb

    1. Re:Two bald men... by Dupple · · Score: 2
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  5. Nokia Suing RIM? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So is the point here just to funnel what little future these companies have into their lawyers pockets?

    If you are circling the drain spending all your income on lawsuits seems unwise.

  6. Not really by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2
    RIM share price has been rising as journalists have been shown BB 10 and seen that it is pretty good. Windows 8 not so much. There is a fight on for no. 3 position in the phone wars, and Nokia now suddenly seems to be worried that it is going to lose.

    Patent wars are increasingly a sign that the ideas fountain is drying up. Exactly like water wars...fight over old or weak patents, because we are not expecting to get many new ones.

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  7. LMAO by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know you are in dire straights (Nokia) when they are anticipating competition from RIM.

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  8. Very Microsoft of them by kurt555gs · · Score: 2

    No more innovation! Law suits are the way of the future!

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  9. How much by no-body · · Score: 2
    are they (Nokia) making on patent ownership?

    That seems to be a major problem these days. They are no longer producing anything and making others pay for something which happened long time ago.

    "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possess the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lites his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.


    That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement, or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property."
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