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MESSENGER Probe Finds Strong Evidence of Ice On Mercury

The Bad Astronomer writes "Just in time for the holiday season, the NASA space probe MESSENGER appears to have all but confirmed the existence of ice at Mercury's north pole. Ice has long been suspected to be hiding in permanently shadowed areas in deep craters at the planet's pole, but new data show several converging lines of evidence (thermal and visible light mapping, radar, neutron emission) that as much as a trillion tons of ice may be buried just centimeters deep under the surface. Scientists also see evidence of organic (carbon-based) molecules as well. That's not life, but it's more of an indication that volatile compounds can exist on the solar system's innermost planet." Further, astroengine writes "New results from the MESSENGER spacecraft not only confirm that the planet closest to the sun has ice inside shaded craters near the north pole, but that a thin layer of very dark organic material seems to be covering a good part of the frozen water. Both likely arrived via comets or asteroids millions — or hundreds of millions — of years ago."

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  1. Number One Priority . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would be expensive, because of the high delta-V required to match Mercury's orbit around the sun, but we should really get a lander down there.

    One that can take core samples, and that has a sophisticated chemistry lab.

    Or perhaps several landers / core samplers, with the ability to send samples to a central lab module.

    The ice, and the carbon material covering it, would contain a history of comet impacts, captured dust samples, and other events.

    1. Re:Number One Priority . . . by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      What about sending a missile of some kind directly to the surface of mercury and then analyzing what it kicked up from a non-orbiting position? A bit more violent, and no "hands on" chemistry, but would be much cheaper.

    2. Re:Number One Priority . . . by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      As a scientist, I can't imagine any other philosophy would work.

    3. Re:Number One Priority . . . by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would be tricky. Mercury's gravity is a little more than 1/3rd Earth's, so you'd have to hit the surface pretty damned hard to get the debris high enough to make it worth doing. Worse, the kickup would scatter debris all over the surface, contaminating other craters and interesting locations with debris, some of it from the Earth missile. The last part alone would make it a rather terrible idea.

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    4. Re:Number One Priority . . . by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      We've used the "hit it with a heavy object at high velocity" method to analyze a comet.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact (spacecraft)

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    5. Re:Number One Priority . . . by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

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    6. Re:Number One Priority . . . by Nyder · · Score: 2

      That would be tricky. Mercury's gravity is a little more than 1/3rd Earth's, so you'd have to hit the surface pretty damned hard to get the debris high enough to make it worth doing. Worse, the kickup would scatter debris all over the surface, contaminating other craters and interesting locations with debris, some of it from the Earth missile. The last part alone would make it a rather terrible idea.

      I don't get it. If gravity is less then earths, you would think that stuff would fly higher and farther since it doesn't have as much gravity to hold it down.

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  2. Life on another planet?!? by Toe,+The · · Score: 2

    ...oh, wait. I thought it said mice on Mercury. My bad.

    1. Re:Life on another planet?!? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Is this a setup for a gerbils on that U-planet joke?

  3. Human Colonies by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article focuses on life, but perhaps ice also means Mercury could harbor human colonies. Most people think of Mercury as big oven, but there are probably Goldilocks areas near such "ice craters" where the temperature is just right, and near water sources to boot. It could end up being a better place for colonization than Mars because Mars' ice is mostly in cold areas only.

    I just wonder about solar radiation.

    1. Re:Human Colonies by multiben · · Score: 2

      I think it's unlikely. Mercury's surface temperatures fluctuate wildly. 400+ Celsius during the day and as low as -200 celsius at night.

    2. Re:Human Colonies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      perhaps ice also means Mercury could harbor human colonies.
      Perhaps but regardless there are a number of people I can think of that we should send anyway. You know on a trial and error kind of basis "well we believe there may be oxygen their Mr Bieber but would you mind going and finding out for us? Thanks!"

    3. Re:Human Colonies by Indy1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mercury is in a nasty gravity well. It takes a LOT of energy per pound to land anything there.

      Not going to easy to land significant mass there.

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    4. Re:Human Colonies by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But there may be spots at mountain or crater peaks/edges that get roughly even portions of sun both night and day. The sun would stay low to the horizon, lighting only half the peak at any given time. Perhaps the colony would have to live mostly under-ground to even out the temperatures.

    5. Re:Human Colonies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a huge delta-v to go to Mercury and back. Mars is far easier. Even Europa in the gravity well of Jupiter would require less energy for transit back and forth.

    6. Re:Human Colonies by Andy+Prough · · Score: 2

      I think it's unlikely. Mercury's surface temperatures fluctuate wildly. 400+ Celsius during the day and as low as -200 celsius at night.

      Vin Diesel could live there just fine with a dagger, a short bit of rope, and a pair of dark goggles. AFTER he killed you with his coffee cup, that is...

    7. Re:Human Colonies by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A walking colony could work though. You'd have to guarantee that your colony could continually move at the speed of the terminus, but if you put it close to the poles that wouldn't really be much of a problem once the route is established. Even at the equator you're only talking 5km/h, a brisk walking speed. There were some semi-serious proposals to lay rails down and let the heat expansion of the rail behind you push your colony forward so that you're in a constant dawn.

      Or just build your colony underground, with the entrance positioned to always be in shade.

    8. Re:Human Colonies by formfeed · · Score: 3, Funny

      Definitely no colonies. I just checked the county's website: Mercury is poisonous for humans.

  4. Ice of Spades by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    NASA: "Maybe the probe carried the ice from Earth and contaminated Mercury."

    Probe: "Hell no, I'm just the MESSENGER!"
         

  5. The Freddie Mercury Bunch? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    ...promised earthshaking news from the Mars Curiosity rover mission?...NASA's been playing the boy that cried wolf

    Martian Martian Martian!
       

  6. Re:Mercury? MERCURY?!!! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean the promise that they would announce it at a conference in December (I believe the 8th or so)? You'll have to chill a few days as we are still in November.

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  7. magnetic field by slew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is (minus radiation concerns) theoretically doable.

    A couple things in Mercury's favor. First, Mercury has an "earth-like" magnetic field (unlike venus and mercury). Second the "tilt" is pretty small so, near the poles you could probably reasonably straddle the day/night region.

    The big down side, (that others have mentioned), is you got this big gravity pit near you and no atmosphere for braking, so getting stuff from Earth to Mercury is gonna be much more expensive than other places in the solar system.

    1. Re:magnetic field by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about we get our asses to Mars first? Then worry about the really difficult places.

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  8. Re:Mercury? MERCURY?!!! by mug+funky · · Score: 2

    from nasa.gov:

    "NASA will provide a Curiosity update at 9 a.m. Monday, Dec. 3, at the American Geophysical Union. Rumors of major new findings at this early stage are incorrect.
    The news conference will discuss Curiosity's use of instruments to investigate a drift of sandy soil. Audio and visuals from the briefing will be available via UStream."

    looks like what they found turned out to be something else.

  9. DAMN YOU GRAVITY, YOU WIN THIS TIME! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2

    I don't get it. If gravity is less then earths, you would think that stuff would fly higher and farther since it doesn't have as much gravity to hold it down.

    The tactic of slamming something into a comet worked because the comet had basically no real gravity to keep debris from flying, where mercury has quite a bit more gravity. While it is only about 1/3 of that of earth, the implication isn't that we can pull this trick off on Earth. Debris from a comet will fly in a fairly straight path out of the point of impact, but debris on Mercury will fly in a more parabolic path.

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  10. [crappy] magnetic field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    While Mercury does have a magnetic field, I normally don't see it referred to as Earth-like. Usually there are three categories of interaction between the solar wind and a planet: like Earth and Jupiter with a large, well developed magnetosphere, like the moon and Mars where there is virtually no magnetism and it is all interaction of the solar wind directly with surface or atmosphere, and then like Mercury. Mercury's field is about 1% as strong as Earth, which can mostly form a magnetosphere, but in the process of solar wind moving past, it can distort and disturb the magnetosphere such that sections of Mercury's surface are directly exposed to solar wind. So while it would be better than nothing, there would still be random exposure. And it doesn't help that its marginal nature makes it more difficult to model and predict compared to the other more extreme examples.