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Splashtop's Cliff Miller Talks About Their New Linux App (Video)
Yes, you can now have full remote access to your home computer or a server at work that's running Ubuntu Linux. Really any Linux distro, although only Ubuntu is formally supported by Splashtop. What? You say you already control your home and work Linux computers from your Android tablet with VNC? That there's a whole bunch of Android VNC apps out there already? And plenty for iOS, too? You're right. But Cliff says Splashtop is better than the others. It can play video at a full 30 frames per second, and has low enough latency (depending on your connection) that you can play video games remotely in between taking care of that list of server issues your boss emailed to you. Or perhaps, in between work tasks, you take a dip in the ocean, because you're working from the beach, not from a stuffy office. It seems that work and living locations get a little more remote from each other every year, and Splashtop is helping to make that happen. This video interview is, itself, an example of how our world has gotten flatter; Cliff was in China and I was in Florida. The connection wasn't perfect, but the fact that we could have this conversation at all is a wonder. Please note, too, that while Cliff Miller is now Chief Marketing Officer for Splashtop, he was also the founder and first CEO of TurboLinux, so he is not new to Linux. And Splashtop is the company that supplied the "instant on" Linux OS a lot of computer manufacturers bundled with their Windows computers for a few years. Now, of course, they're focusing on the remote desktop, and seem to be making a go of it despite heavy competition in that market niche.
Right, for some reason the "Disable ads" checkbox is not hiding all ads.
sysadmins and parents of newborns get the same amount of sleep.
Or, you can use ssh.
NX compression on the X protocol made for snappy desktops and responsive thin-client apps. What ever happened to the guys at nomachine?
I'm just now getting around to exploring remote admin options. I just recently discovered the joy of X over SSH and decided to be done with VNC. Now I see this...why would I use Splashtop instead of X over SSH?
Not a challenge, a request for info.
he invented the weel.
I'm quite happy ssh for years now thank you. Before that telnet. It's unix you know, you don't need all that graphic stuff.
the instant on os pos doesn't.
so it's only proper to focus on it.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
So far I'm not a fan of Version 2. They've detached themselves from Google servers and I know why they did it. Google just released Chrome Remote Desktop, which is a VERY fine replacement for TeamViewer-type implementations. Surely Google will add this to Android's Chrome stack and then it's truly game on for all of these me-too NAT-traversing, competing remote desktop applications. Interesting times ahead in this space.
put the what in the where?
Am I the only one who still thinks all your base when I see that?
I went to interview for Turbolinux back in 1999 or so. They were in SF then. It was then an obvious scam, a play for investor money, using Linux moniker for self-promotion. They had no plan, no purpose and no technology. They did have a cool logo and a few high profile guys. Then it all folded like a house of cards that it was, TurboLinux was sold to some chinese firm, who used the name and then dumped it. This wasn't very unusual in those days, of course - so I can't entirely blame them. But - given that history, pardon me for being skeptical.
Also, Cliff is looking older. Time flies. Where did my youth go?
Does this mean you somehow have to run your connections through their servers.....basically giving them access to your traffic while running this remote connectivity software?
Sounds like a bad idea to me if this is so....?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
doesnt ssh -X -C fit that?
Splashtop shipped an unencrypted remote access solution for nearly 1.5 years without giant disclaimers.
http://slickdeals.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-4033850.html
I'm supposed to trust them now that it's finally encrypted?
http://www.vigor.nu/dxpc/
Yeeehaaaaaw !! Linux is making some sort of a showing - in a race run 20 years ago !!
no not quite linux has been able to do this for years already with several different protocals. its more like:
Yeeehaaaaaw !! We wrote our app that for Linux to do something that you could already do on linux for years and pretending that this is wonderful and new so you will buy our proprietary version that will spam you with adds while you work and we promise not to spy on what your doing really!!
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
Why would I use this instead of XRDP (http://www.xrdp.org/) which uses a client that is natively installed on every Windows box out there already?
I love using stuff like VNC and having a 15 second lag between my mouse or keyboard click and the screen refresh even on a Gigabit network connection running on an 8 core "thin" client. I mean its been a very long time since I could type faster then the screen can refresh. Its awesome the amount of CPU performance and network speed you need to make your workstation feel like its 1989 all over again.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
I agree with the other several comments pointing at the not-so-well hidden slashvertising.
The person in the interview is the Chief Marketing Office of a company.
He's been a programmer, sure, but now his job has only marginally to do with programming.
Around 2007, Microsoft realised tech sites like Slashdot had a significant involvement in the very public rejection of Vista as a replacement for XP. They hired several reputation management companies, including Waggener Edstrom and Burson Marsteller to manage their online presence before the W7 release.
One of the results of that was that the reputation mangers ran hundreds of sock-puppets in blogs and news aggregators, like Slashdot and Reddit. They swamped the discussions, including those unrelated to their OS with scripted comments based on a few themes - "Have you tried it yet?" "Much faster than XP" etc etc. There was no opportunity to discuss Linux/FOSS or any other non-proprietary effort without wading through dozens of highly moderated pro-Win 7 postings. Pretty much every first post was a Microsoft-favorable pamphlet.
The result was that almost anyone with a real interest in tech abandoned the site. There are still a few of the old die-hards here, but it's mostly marketers and sock-puppets now.
Not that everything needs to support Windows, but their hyped specs would be interesting to try on the Windows side of both the data center and home. Right now I tend to use RDP (mainly), LogMeIn, or occasionally something like TeamViewer. Cross platform especially to Android is a great selling point for me and many other Windows admins. Looks like their Linux only tho. - HEX
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I have a board with instant on Linux capability. It is ASUS and their application of this bios feature was only possible if you installed the POS fast boot Linux within an ntfs partition and could only be done with Windows already installed so it was a complete farce and a complete joke!
I thought about how to mess with this to make a fast boot of something other than the precompiled crap linux sudo distro on the ASUS disk that came with the board.
What worked out much better was to just do a standard install of two different drives and hide the linux drive from windows but show the windows drive to linux. Now I just dual boot with each drive having its own boot loader and Knoppix on the second drive boots to a network enabled full desktop 10 - 15 seconds on average faster than Windows 7. I have it set to default boot to sata 1 for Windows so my wife just turns it on and waits out her login ....I just hit the power button and tap f8 as the bios sees the keyboard and presto arrow down to sata 2 and boot Knoppix.
Now it is even harder for a newbee to discover linux first on a CD or thumbdrive let alone go through the hassle of dual booting so desktop linux controlling a home server the way Windows can is just complete pie in the sky for a commercially viable consumer alternative. It does not matter that there are good applications to do exactly that from an Android device or a even a Windows Phone with some hacked up app.
The adoption of Linux is doomed because the manufacturers have all fallen into line and swallowed the "security in the bios for Windows" bullshit from Microshaft.
Just watch out as zero day stuff for rooting from the new user space code in Metro starts to happen, my bet is that the strategy will be to blame opensource for what is about to happen to Windows 8 users that just run as admin all the time like most 7 users already do.
My prediction is that Windows 8 will be even less secure in the user spaces than Windows 7 because users will be lulled to sleep by the UEFI bullshit peddled by Microsoft. By leaving trust as an accept and yes to run option for Windows with closed binaries off the net the die is already cast! Windows RT is a different matter and could in theory be completely secure, however my suspicion is that users will hate not being able to run open source stuff like VLC on RT or full games so it could very easily bomb unless Microsoft starts paying devs to port their stuff to the Windows store, which they might happen if RT does completely start to bomb out.
Is all this off topic no, having great home networking capability for all Linux users that is easy and reliable is fantastic but complete pie in the sky if there is no one actually there to use it!
I first was exposed to Splashtop when it came with my Asus Transformer 101 as a free app. Like a lot of people posting here I was skeptical, not seeing why I need this over XRDP or VNC or any number of other already-existing remote desktop apps.
Then, I shut up and tried the damn thing. And my jaw hit the floor.
Full screen streaming video (aka Netflix), WITH sound, WITHOUT stutter, over a 10mbps connection. Try doing that over VNC.
Splashtop is slick. You need to see it to believe it. They have some neat tech.
I can vouch to the awesomeness of Splashtop. My tablet (Asus TF300T) came with it pre-loaded as part of the Asus "MyCloud" apps, and it is absolutely phenomenal. My favorite feature is playing music on my computer at home and having it stream in (almost) real time to my tablet. It automatically mutes the laptop/desktop at home, so as not to disturb anyone. I've found that feature only on paid programs like LogMeIn Pro (not even my beloved Teamviewer can do this, yet!)
Amazing program, and I'm stoked to hear it will work on Linux now too. And just remembering an email and password combination is MUCH more convenient than remembering an ever-changing Teamviewer ID (which is undoubtedly more secure, but a pain in the butt with quarterly wipes I do on my computer)
I have run a small consulting company for 10 years now and have always done all my work on my work computer and used laptops as dumb terminals to connect to it when I am out of the office. Here in reverse chronological order is a take on each remote access protocol I have used/am using. Because I am busy I can't really write this up proper, but you might learn something useful.
Splashtop - Hmm, 6 bux for the client on OSX, and the server is free. OK, download install, startup, connect. All fans turn on to airplane take off speed. OMG, I have never seen the CPU activity meter jump filled to the top for more than a second or so. Now it just stays there. Wow, I can't even see both monitors at once. final verdict. Uninstalled. Deleted. Downloaded again and deleted for the satisfaction of it.
Timbuktu: 100 dollars per license (I think this was a special for owning a Moto cable modem)? It had better be good. The interface is old and sucky. Sometimes the fans on the computer are loud even for what amounts to a static screen. The local lockout feature is nifty. Being able to change color depth the 16 shades of grey or 4 shades of grey really helps. Overall, it more or less works.
Apple Remote desktop: Somehow this seems like it was much better pre-lion. I think that is why I felt like I needed to search out timbuktu, because for some reason everything started to suck. Otherwise usable. Great on a local network (I often use my work computer headless from the other room).
Linux headless with XVnc or really - TigerVNC now. KDE mostly works. CPU load isn't high. XServer doesn't crash. With ssh compression mostly usable. Decent.
Nomachine - totally awesome. Really fast. I used my desktop in America from Philippines while streaming my Mp3 collection from America at 8kbps. Except... It crashes far too often. Sometimes once a month, sometimes once in two weeks. And then all the virtual desktops with all the work for all my customers will go bye bye. Abandoned several years ago. The pain was too high.
Seriously, using Xvnc to forward your ssh session just to deal with disconnections? That is so backwards.
xpra is way better than this, and even NX, despite being old and closed/abandoned is still better than this, and both are seamless.
I haven't tried splashtop, and it being closed source I doubt I will in a hurry, but I reckon xpra is probably on par with it when it comes to performance - we also use x264 encoding where appropriate - and this is the keyword: where appropriate (like video, fast moving animations, etc), in many other cases it's not..
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xpra does this on Linux, Windows, OSX and Android (beta).
It's free and it's open-source.
It also does x264 encoding when needed and is available for all your machines now without any strings attached.
TODO: 753) write sig.
Yes, there are heaps and heaps of VNC clients out there. But I haven't found a great many that work properly with all of the popular extensions from TightVNC and its ilk (TigerVNC is about the best I've seen).
And I haven't found one that works properly with Apple's Remote Desktop server - it expects an AuthType 35 Diffie-Hellman key exchange after which it switches to an AES-128 encrypted link and does its own thing. Try using any current VNC client beside an OSX Remote Desktop client connecting to an OSX server over an ADSL link and you'll see how much ground VNC has to make up - VNC can take around two minutes to fill a 2560x1440 screen over an 8MB SDSL link.
Ah.. sweet, sweet irony..
which is totally what she said
I remember Turbolinux and thanks for notifying. PASS.
Anything is possible given time and money.
I don't consider it misapplied. You mentioned autism in your first "real comment". So you were also in fact bringing up a pet topic that honestly doesn't have much to do with [insert any tech company here] hate on Slashdot, or in fact anywhere on the internet.
Haters gonna hate, as they say. It's just a human trait, not an autistic one. People love to complain. In common websites like Facebook people complain about popular culture like Justin Bieber. Here we're a bit more geeky, so we complain about tech companies.
which is totally what she said
was specifically speaking to his complaint that Microsoft astroturfers were in any way responsible for a drop in readership. That is stupid
What? It's not stupid.. here's a comment I posted yesterday where I said I stopped visiting for a while because of this very issue. You are showing some kind of cognitive bias simply by saying that it's stupid/impossible.
I don't see what there is for me to backtrack about.
My "haters gonna hate" was referring to him hating on Microsoft, and you apparently hating that people that have autistic traits despite yourself seeming to have them too - hence the irony comment.
Clearly this last statement is patently absurd; but you would have to believe it in order to say that I cannot be correct about my lack of biases.
By the same token it's absurd to say that the tooth fairy doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean that I can't say that it's unlikely that she does. It's pretty delusional to think that your memory and reasoning processes are infallible. I've already pointed out that you made an incorrect assumption at the start of this comment.
You could start a "No True Scotsman" type argument here where you go on to say "well, I'm not susceptible to these other biases", but I don't want to get into that. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that you're more liberal and scientific in your thought processes than most people (I consider myself the same), but that doesn't meant that you are free of cognitive biases.
which is totally what she said
Sigh . . .
>> What? It's not stupid.. here's a comment I posted yesterday
>> where I said I stopped visiting for a while [slashdot.org] because of this very issue.
This is an example of both "False-consensus effect" and "Projection bias". Like I said, you should have looked them up before your knee-jerk reply. I anticipated this (weak) line of argument, thus the reading suggestion.
>> and you apparently hating that people
"Apparently" you did not understand my first and second replies to him, nor my replies to you. This tells me that I'm wasting my time here.
>> By the same token it's absurd to say that the tooth fairy doesn't exist
This argument is misapplied; continuing your pattern in this thread of sloppy thinking. This only tells me a little about you, but more about the people you usually argue with. Dominating the intellectually challenged won't help you when you run into someone who isn't a intellectual weakling.
>> It's pretty delusional to think that your memory and reasoning processes are infallible
Yes, that is true. What is also true is that I never said I was infallible. Of course if all your arguments are based on a straw man to argue against, I bet your success rate is high. But of course that just makes it all the sadder.
Have you considered why you would consciously or unconsciously choose to argue easily won points, as opposed to what the other person is actual asserting? It would better for your personal development if you actually took some time to follow my point - instead of looking for things to parse and argue about. I may be wasting my time, but the only reason I am replying to *you* is to help you.
>> I've already pointed out that you made an incorrect assumption at the start of this comment.
You pointed out something you disagreed with, and then failed to back up your point. This is not a "win" for you, just more fuzzy thinking. Sloppy sloppy.
>> You could start a "No True Scotsman" type argument here where you go on to
>> say "well, I'm not susceptible to these other biases", but I don't want to get into that
It seems to me that you are completely incapable of pursuing that argument; so that's probably a good thing.
>> I wouldn't find it hard to believe that you're more liberal and scientific in your
>> thought processes than most people
Again, fuzzy thinking, muddled output. This has nothing to do with science or being a collectivist. The fact that you would cite either of those completely unrelated references tells me that you have no idea what I am talking about.
>> (I consider myself the same)
I wouldn't be too proud of that. That is a VERY low bar.
>> but that doesn't meant that you are free of cognitive biases
I never said I was "free" of cognitive biases. I said I was free of the *vast majority* of human biases. The difference may not seem important to you, but it is vast. Again, you argue against something that no one here is asserting.
Of course, you are not responsible for what biases you have or don't have; it is entirely the luck of the draw through genetics and what happens to your brain after conception. Although *most* intelligent people believe that any biases they *think* they don't have are the result of enlightenment - it's not. This is just conceit (and an example of bias). People have the biases they have, intelligent or not. The less biases you have, the more abnormal your cognitive processes are. Having a full set of biases is *normal*.
I'll waste some more time here explaining:
I was not too different that you for the first 25 years of my life. But after an unknown neurological event, I was able to (and continue to) perceive my own biases as if I had two completely separate cognitive entities in my head. I am able to observe and correct (if necessary) my own thought process. And before you say something stupid like "you do that too" or whatever - you don't,
Anyway, top class trolling, I think a star is born.
Yeah after reading his first sentence I'm not even going to read the rest of the post. He's either delusional or trolling.
which is totally what she said
I installed Splashtop on Ubuntu
then
installed splashtop clients on my Windows 7 and my 2 Android tablets and on my Samsung Skyrocket android phone.
I could not get the connection to work. I'm technical but there is little to no documentation available online other than
a few FAQs. If you need help you have to submit a ticket online and I suppose you wait until someone gets back to you via
email...
I guess I'll wait 6 months and let it bake and then try it again.