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Yahoo "Loses" $2.7B In Mysterious Mexican Yellow Pages Lawsuit

An anonymous reader writes "CNN reports that a Mexico City court has ordered Yahoo to pay $2.7 billion to Worldwide Directories and Ideas Interactivas. The classified directory publisher sued Yahoo, claiming various losses and breaches involving 'contracts related to a yellow pages listings service.' Yahoo announced its intention to appeal but is saying little else about the case."

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  1. Yahoo's take by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:Yahoo's take by afaik_ianal · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://investor.yahoo.net/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=724306 will work better (without the trailing slash).

    2. Re:Yahoo's take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  2. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by dragonquest · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yahoo is more than just a search engine.

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  3. classified directory? by aneroid · · Score: 3, Funny

    "classified directory" vs "classifieds directory"

  4. Easiest explanation by Hans+Adler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someone just sufficiently far removed from the judge made a bet on Yahoo's shares falling just about this time.

  5. Interesting figure by Kergan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't 2.7Bn larger than the combined market value of every yellow pages business in the world combined? Might anyone know how the Judge came up with a figure this large?

    1. Re:Interesting figure by helix2301 · · Score: 1

      I know it seams like a large figure. This is another hurdle the new Yahoo CEO is going to have to deal with. I never realized how much of a mess yahoo really was until lately.

    2. Re:Interesting figure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The judge is probably related to the plaintiff. :)

      They probably see it like winning the lottery. cha-ching!! profit!!

    3. Re:Interesting figure by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Insightful
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    4. Re:Interesting figure by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      I know it seams like a large figure. This is another hurdle the new Yahoo CEO is going to have to deal with. I never realized how much of a mess yahoo really was until lately.

      Sorry but Ya Who????

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    5. Re:Interesting figure by Desler · · Score: 1

      Isn't 2.7Bn larger than the combined market value of every yellow pages business in the world combined?

      Doubtful. AT&T sold 53% stake in their yellow pages business for $950 million which would put the estimates for solely AT&T's yellow pages business around $1.8 billion.

    6. Re:Interesting figure by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have you ever seen how much yellow pages charges each of the companies to be listed in it? It's not craigslist.. those listing can be expensive.

      Earlier this year, ATT sold part of it's Yellow Pages operation for close to a billion dollars. The division is valued at $3.9billion:
      http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=ec6803ce-4128-42be-bc43-eb1534853efd

      Look at the chart on this page:
      http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-22/the-golden-allure-of-the-yellow-pages

      revenue:
      att: 3.3 billion
      dex: 1.5b
      supermedia: 1.6b
      yell group: 1.5b

      share of TOTAL US ad spending: ~8%

    7. Re:Interesting figure by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The missing factor is probably time. Yearly losses * number of years = $$$$$$$$$$.

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    8. Re:Interesting figure by Bigby · · Score: 1

      Because if someone wrongs you and has $1m, you sue for $100k. If someone wrongs you and has $1b, you sue for $100m. It is about the other's assets, not the actual value lost.

    9. Re:Interesting figure by operagost · · Score: 1

      I don't advertise in the yellow pages because I don't sell adult diapers or run a nursing home.

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  6. Be careful Mexico by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    You may find that the San Sebastian Data Center has been stripped down to the barest minimum of equipment.

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  7. Re:it is ignorant to do business in mexico by somersault · · Score: 1

    The government sells marijuana for "profits"? When they're already several trillion dollars in debt and don't seem to give a fuck? Okay.

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  8. Yahoo by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    Always seems to be the search behind search spoofing malware I have to clean up from the PCs of family and friends.

  9. Re:Well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well they pay people to post on anonymous internet forums about how they're more than just a search engine, for one.

  10. Re:Well? by In+hydraulis · · Score: 2, Informative

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Japan
    http://www.yahoo.co.jp/

    Yahoo is actually really big over there. eBay exists, but may as well not: Yahoo! Auctions is overwhelmingly dominant in online auctions. Yahoo! Shopping takes the role of Amazon.com. (Amazon itself has a presence also, and it isn't too shabby.) And Yahoo! Japan is also a broadband provider with a lot of mindshare.

    They've diversified. Wisely so.

  11. Re:Call me a cynic... by Sulphur · · Score: 3, Funny

    First the Samsung judgement, now this... its open season with litigation out there.

    The information superhighway needs fences to keep the liti-gators off the road.

  12. Re:Well? by RaceProUK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yahoo is more than just a search engine.

    Like what?

    An exclamation of joy.

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  13. Re:it is ignorant to do business in mexico by Desler · · Score: 1

    the US Govt and mainstream media blather on about terrorists half-way around the world in the middle-east yet ignore the drug smuggling terrorists just south of the border

    And yet I've read dozens and dozens of stories about them from the "mainstream media" for some time now. Maybe you just have blinders on?

  14. Mexican Yellow Pages by Traiano · · Score: 1

    "Donde esta el restaurante de pizza?" Oh, fuck me, I'll just Google it.

    1. Re:Mexican Yellow Pages by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      Just to state the obvious, this isn't something México is doing anymore than being sued for libel is something that Britain for instance. More over World Directories really doesn't sound like a Mexican business. It's probably a larger problem between WD and Y! but Y! probably got away in the US and WD is trying somewhere else. Further more, I don't think the final fine is ever going to be that large, WD is probably looking for a settlement.

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  15. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> Yahoo is more than just a search engine.

    It can also cut through these beer cans, and look, it's still sharp enough to slice these tomatoes...

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  17. question by shentino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are they sure that's dollars and not pesos?

    1. Re:question by jmauro · · Score: 1

      The original press release says US$2.7 billion so its in USD and not Mexican pesos.

    2. Re:question by mapuche · · Score: 1

      Mexican newspapers confirm the figures:

      http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/5118e8f851051aafbb05375db4b342f6

    3. Re:question by shentino · · Score: 1

      I know damn well what they said.

      My question was if they had made a typo somewhere.

      And I'm talking about TFA and not just TFS.

  18. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Began to suspect it was a Ronco product when those riveting Kardashian stories started popping up on my email home page...

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  19. Re:Well? by In+hydraulis · · Score: 2

    Read the whole thread for context.

  20. Re:Meh by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

    And if they ignore the ruling what happens? Just because a court in some country rules against you doesn't necessarily mean that there's any consequence.

    From one of the other links posted earlier:

    "he 49th Civil Court of the Federal District of Mexico City has entered a non-final judgment of U.S. $2.7 billion against Yahoo! Inc. and Yahoo de Mexico, S.A. de C.V.

    I don't exactly know why there needs to be a Yahoo de Mexico, but that puts them on the hook for whatever amount the corrupt Mexican court wants to decide.

  21. Re:it is ignorant to do business in mexico by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    Well, of course. If the U.S. were to call off its war on drugs, the extreme profit motive would cease. Remember how the U.S. Col. Oliver North funded several mini-wars by allowing the crack epidemic of the 1980's, while the president and his wife told kids to ''Just say no to drugs'? Drugs are illegal because it is more profitable that way.

  22. Re:If the USA jumped off a bridge, Mexico... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It isn't the US... The EU tribunals get bored periodically and rake Google and Microsoft over the coals every so often since it makes good press for them ("evil foreign company gets hauled in for another round of justice".) Same old xenophobic shit the EU has been doing, but just now spread across the pond.

    Might be nice if countries cleaned their own house, and this applies to the Yanks as well.

  23. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    Is yahoo still relevant? I though yahoo had just become a none MS face for bing.When will people learn and just use Google.

    Perhaps not relevant in search like they used to be, They do have some other popular products such as Flickr, an instant messaging product, and a few other things.

  24. Re:If the USA jumped off a bridge, Mexico... by Lithdren · · Score: 2

    Not too clear to me why I cannot question the integrity of a foreign court, just because my own court system has done some questionable things.

    I can question the integrity of a foreign court, just as I can question the integrity of a domestic court. You dont get to decide what I can question, thanks.

  25. Statement from Yahoo CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Why must we peso much?"

  26. Re:Meh by Sentrion · · Score: 2

    In most countries a business is required to establish a local legal entity to operate within it's borders. At a bare minimum most nations require the appointment of a registered agent based in the country. This is intended to protect local citizens and businesses from businesses based in other countries that do business within their borders. It is also important for complying with local laws and regulations, and payment of taxes applicable to business carried out within their borders. If you are harmed by a foreign business you have a much harder time suing them or collecting judgments if they do not have a local presence.

    In theory there is some protection for the foreign business in that the national legal entity functions as a subsidiary of the foreign-owned parent company. A litigant might be able to take all assets owned by the national legal entity, but face a much harder time collecting from the parent company based in another country.

  27. It's not going to happen by physlord · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't think that is the last word on the subject. Yahoo seems to be too little worried about this.

    An off topic comment:
    As a Mexican it's funny to read slashdoters opinions about my country. If you come here you would be surprised that there are a bunch of us with high speed internet, cars, smartphones, etc. We are not involved in shootings every day around each corner and we don't speak the same Spanish than the "mexican-americans", actually our culture is quite different. Believing in what the TV says about a country and establish prejudices based on that is simply wrong. Based on what I have seen about US citizens on the news I would assume they like to drink a lot and show their parts to strangers, they start shooting people randomly at schools, theaters or workplaces, most of them are ignorant. Do you know what makes the US different from yogurt? If you leave them both 300 years unattended, the yogurt will grow a culture.
    You see?, prejudices are wrong.

    1. Re:It's not going to happen by niado · · Score: 1

      Based on what I have seen about US citizens on the news I would assume they like to drink a lot and show their parts to strangers, they start shooting people randomly at schools, theaters or workplaces, most of them are ignorant.

      Seems pretty accurate to me.

    2. Re:It's not going to happen by operagost · · Score: 1
      The US has many cultures, from all the people who came here-- some of them legally. You have only two: the Mexican culture I like, and the drug culture that results in mayors being beaten and killed, and bloggers' eviscerated bodies being hung from bridges. That being said, we have an attorney general who purposely allowed firearms to be sold to Mexican drug lords to exacerbate the situation, and all I can say in my defense is that I didn't vote for the guy who appointed him.

      I would assume they like to drink a lot and show their parts to strangers

      Those would be the movie stars.

      they start shooting people randomly at schools, theaters or workplaces

      Sounds more like Mexico (the second culture)

      most of them are ignorant.

      Those would be our politicians.

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  28. I think I know what happed by Jeffrey_Walsh+VA · · Score: 1

    This shady yellow pages outfit called Yahoo! and said "We just want to confirm that you want to continue your listing in the Yellow Pages. Now I'm going to get a third party verifier on the phone; don't say anything but yes when I ask the questions"

  29. Judgement was actually in pesos.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's around $208,457 USD.

    1. Re:Judgement was actually in pesos.. by Redmancometh · · Score: 1

      Haha...I feel like a jackass for calling it extortion now

  30. Re:If the USA jumped off a bridge, Mexico... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    Because he said so. He has declared himself "King of teh internets".
    Therefore you must post as he decrees.

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  31. extortion? by Redmancometh · · Score: 1

    With a number that high It's hard not to view this as a ploy to fill mexicos pockets. And the corrupt mexican officials of course. Most likely the latter since that wouldnt dent their debt. "Heeeeey yahoo my friend...those are real nicr classifieds...be a shame if something terrible were to happen to them"

  32. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    I use yahoo local to find businesses and yahoo finance to watch stocks and funds, much better than competitors

  33. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    Indeed.

    History of Google vs Yahoo homepage over the years ...
    http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/443/yahoovsgoogle1996to2005ys4.png

    Google focused on doing one thing extremely well. Yahoo is a perfect example of the bloated web 2.0 in search of monetization.

  34. Mexico isn't a party to the case by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    You can bet that Mexico will not receive that money.

    Well, yeah, its a civil case between two private companies in a Mexican court. Even if the non-final verdict does become final and Yahoo! fully complies with it, then Mexico won't get that money -- the plaintiffs, Worldwide Directories SA de CV and Ideas Interactivas SA de CV, would get the money.

  35. Re:Does Yahoo even still exist? by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    Yahoo is more than just a search engine.

    Yahoo is less than just a search engine

    FTFY.

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  36. Re:Well? by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

    It's also a museum of web design from the "portal era".

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  37. It's all in the lingo by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    Bear with me here ...

    Japanese syllables generally start with a consonant and end with a vowel, or are a vowel alone. Thus "McDonalds" is something like "ma ku do na ru do" and a Big Mac is a biggu makku.

    For some reason, they used the American pronunciation of "Mexico" (meks sih ko) as the basis for their word, which comes out as "may kee shi ko". But the Spanish pronunciation "may hee ko" copies over almost perfectly into Japanese. It's a shame they copied the wrong pronunciation.

    I suppose the proper pronunciation could be coming into vogue. It ought to be.

    But there's your Japanese Mexico USA connection.

  38. Re:Call me a cynic... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Too late -- several, scratch that, a gazillion people already have the patent on internet patents. Now if they all get busy and start suing each other, they won't have time to sue anybody doing real work.