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Voyager 1, So Close To Interstellar Space That We Can Taste It!

mphall21 writes "Voyager 1 is nearing the edge of the 'magnetic highway' of our solar system and scientists believe this is the final area the space probe must cross before entering interstellar space. The Voyager team infers this region is still inside of our heliosphere because the direction of the magnetic field has not changed. The direction of this field is expected to change when Voyager goes into interstellar space. 'Although Voyager 1 still is inside the sun's environment, we now can taste what it's like on the outside because the particles are zipping in and out on this magnetic highway,' said Edward Stone, Voyager project scientist based at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. 'We believe this is the last leg of our journey to interstellar space. Our best guess is it's likely just a few months to a couple years away. The new region isn't what we expected, but we've come to expect the unexpected from Voyager.' Moving at 10.5 miles per second, the space probe is the most distant man-made object from Earth. The space craft has been in operation for 35 years and receives regular commands and transmits data back to the Deep Space Network."

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  1. For those of us alive when this was launched, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is truly a triumph of modern science and unfortunately we do not dream big like this anymore. We are limited to our own backyard. The moon, Mars, etc. Such a shame.

    1. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well there is New Horizons.

    2. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We don't dream this big anymore? Since Voyager left earth, we sequenced the human genome, along with the genomes of nearly 200 other organisms. The computer that lives in my pocket is so much better than the computers on board Voyager that I can't even figure out how to compare them. Granted, I only spent 5 minutes skimming wiki articles trying to do so, but I'll also point out that 5 minutes of research got me the name of all the units on board the voyager, and way too much information for me to handle on that. 5 minutes of research at Voyager's time would maybe result in "finding the right world book letter." And it wouldn't have that information.

      Putting a big rocket and a nuclear power supply on something and sending it off into space is awe-inspiring, yes, but I'd argue we're dreaming much bigger today. The internet changed the world a lot more than the space age did.

      (Note that I'm not knocking the space age, and am fully aware that it's unlikely the internet would have come about were it not for the space age.)

    3. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by elashish14 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Space age research is still alive and well too. GP's comment comes on the heels of this and this, not to mention that we're also seeing potential earths in other solar systems for the first time ever! plus at the same time learning even more about awesome our own home is.

      Maybe the public at large is more concerned about which husband/wife the latest Kardashian is on, but the age of the geeks is accelerating far faster than any it ever has, and it will continue to do so as long as there is the tiniest of means.

      And while we're on it, let's not forget that we're also thinking smaller than ever before. How long has it been since we isolated the Higgs Boson???

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    4. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by gman003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We're spotting exoplanets faster than we can name them. We just landed a fucking nuclear-powered, laser-wielding science tank on Mars. Two years ago we dive-bombed the moon so we could search the debris cloud for signs of water. New Horizons is planned to leave the solar system as well once it's done with Pluto. We've got probes around Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Vesta, and whole damn fleets around the Moon and Mars, with another probe en route to Jupiter. We've got a company planning to mine the freaking asteroid belt. The ISS is constantly manned - I get Twitter pics *every* *day* from fucking *space*.

      The hell we aren't dreaming big. The only reason Voyager is the only probe so far out is because it takes forty years to get there.

    5. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      George W Bush tried to cancel these two programs. For a paltry savings of $4 million/yr.

      And we're sadly looking back on him as 'enlightened'.

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    6. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 5, Funny

      And you'll get to experience the end of the world on December 21st, caused by those same probes!

      We never suspected that the heliosheath, the stars and deep space, all of it, was an illusion, caused by odd refractions at the edge of the bubble that we live in. As Voyager 1 approaches, and touches the threshold, it gives slightly, and then ... *pop*

      All of existence unravels, and turns inside out briefly before collapsing, the unlikely self-sustaining equation finally solving itself for x.

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    7. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who looks back on Bush as enlightened? They didn't even invite him to the Republican national convention.

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    8. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by fred911 · · Score: 2

      "The only reason Voyager is the only probe so far out is because it takes forty years to get there."

      ET..Phone home!!

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    9. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thirty nine years.

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    10. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Forty years using technology that is forty years old. I wonder how long it would take with today's technology.

      Well keep in mind we weren't trying to race for the edge of the solar system as fast as we could, in order to justify the cost of the program we had to do some observations on the way. I haven't checked lately, but depending on when we launch a probe and the alignment of various bodies used in gravity-assists, I'd assume that using the ion-drive technology we could get to the edge in a shorter amount of time and be moving at a higher velocity when we reach the heliopause.

    11. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > The computer that lives in my pocket is so much better than the computers on board Voyager..

      I suspect the computer in your pocket won't still be working in 35 years.

    12. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      x = 42

    13. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by MrNemesis · · Score: 2

      It's a shame there isn't enough power left in the RTG for Pioneer to take a picture of the fast-approaching reset button.

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    14. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by sFurbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure, the planet alignment needed propel Voyager to 17 km/s was pretty unique to the 70's. For comparison, New Horizons will have a final speed of around 13 km/s.

    15. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who looks back on Bush as enlightened?

      Mitt Romney?

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    16. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by stiggle · · Score: 2

      Instead, they cancelled things like JIMO and a load of other robotic missions which were being developed.
      ESA (the Europeans) picked up the pieces on some of the join missions and continued alone without NASA - but a load of serious good tech got canned because of Bush's change in direction for NASA. Then Obama came along and cancelled Constellation.

    17. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by cusco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Shrub tried to repeat his daddy's 'Mars Mission' publicity stunt, and with even less success. He attempted to cut NASA's funding every single year he was in office, and foisted a Pentagon bean counter on them as a 'leader'. Just like Bush The Elected, Shrub also refused to fund his glorious Mars mission. Commanded to do something extraordinarily expensive with no new moneys what choice did NASA have?

      I don't like either of the two parties, but when it comes to science and exploration the Republicans are definitely the worse of the two.

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    18. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

      Personally, I think you reinforced AC's point. All that progress and we haven't used any of it for any bigger projects than voyager.

    19. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who looks back on Bush as enlightened? They didn't even invite him to the Republican national convention.

      I was thinking the same thing. I work with lots of republicans and even those people don't have anything good to say about g dubya.

    20. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by kryliss · · Score: 2

      With the way things are built these days. If Voyager I was launched today, it would last about 2 years and just days after the warranty ran out.

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    21. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do realize the deficit is going DOWN under Obama right? Funny how 'stimulus' creates revenue and all that.

      As for policies, Obama has sadly continued many of Bush's ridiculous policies, but let's consider what else he's done:

      Near universal health care coverage is somehow bad?
      Ending of Don't Ask Don't Tell?
      Bin Laden is dead
      Wall Street Reform
      Iraq war ended
      Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act for women's equality
      Saved Auto industry
      Increased auto fuel economy standards
      Reformed student loans saving 10s of millions of dollars a year
      New START treaty
      the list goes on...

      All while facing lockstep opposition by the GOP to many of the THEIR OWN IDEAS; simply because they didn't want Obama and the Dem's to get any credit for fixing the problems caused by Bush and the GOP Congress of the early 2000s.

      Google the 'Do Nothing Congress' as coined by Truman. They passed 800 bills. This current Congress passed 200... And yet Obama *still* got lots of things done.

      Opposition is one thing, the wholesale obstruction of anything by the GOP is a tragedy we won't know the full effect of for a while.

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    22. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Yes, but "will still be working in 35 years" isn't the gold standard for what is "dreaming big." So I don't know what your point is.

    23. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Obama had stayed with the Bush budget we'd be in a full blown depression right now. Google 'Bikini Graph' to see what Bush left Obama. We were losing 700,000+ jobs A MONTH at the end of Bush's term. In short order we had stopped that loss and started growing again, albeit slowly.

      Borrowing money right now is as cheap as it ever has been. The 'cost' of deficit spending right now is literally trivial. Whereas reducing spending actually shrinks the economy. That million dollar contract that gets cancelled is literally a million dollars out of the economy. Not to mention the follow on effects as it spreads through the market. And it costs a few percentage points of that million dollars per year. Is it a long term solution? Of course not, but short term, you 'invest' in the economy and it will bounce back as there is now more 'demand' available.

      IT's how Stimulus works. And for another example of Stimulus, look again at that Bikini Graph, notice a slight drop in the jobs under Obama? Guess when the stimulus money ended...

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    24. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by Widowwolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Spirit and Opportunity would like to have a word with you. Well surpassed everything

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    25. Re:For those of us alive when this was launched, by c++0xFF · · Score: 2

      You missed a big one. Cosmic rays.

      Space-bound hardware needs special protection from radiation (no atmosphere to do that job for you). Without it, random bits of memory will get flipped. Sometimes permanently. Modern hardware is especially susceptible to this problem.

      In fact, this exact thing happened to Voyager 2 somewhat recently, and it started talking gibberish to controllers here on Earth. Someone figured out what magical bit was flipped and how to translate back. In that case, I don't think the damage was permanent.

      The computer in your pocket is unlikely to survive even a few months in space.

      That's not to say that we can't put some incredible processing power into space, it's just that radiation-hardened hardware lacks behind the latest technology.

  2. Which begs the question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What does interstellar space taste like?

    1. Re:Which begs the question... by ipquickly · · Score: 5, Funny

      What does interstellar space taste like?

      Bubbly, as the water boils of your tongue.

  3. When does it become V-GER? by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was 17 when this thing launched...remember it well, all the hoop-de-doo about that gold disk. Either the Klingons will get it, or maybe the Borg?

    1. Re:When does it become V-GER? by ipquickly · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was 17 when this thing launched...remember it well, all the hoop-de-doo about that gold disk.
      Either the Klingons will get it, or maybe the Borg?

      Cmon, it's GOLD. The Ferengi will get it before anyone else even notices.

    2. Re:When does it become V-GER? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No Ferengi would bother with it. They don't care about gold, merely the latinum that gold can act as an enclosure for.

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    3. Re:When does it become V-GER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I seem to recall the Klingons destroying this thing in #5, though I don't recall if it showed the designation, I just assume it was Voyager 1. V-GER was Voyager 6, which doesn't exist and hasn't been launched (yet.)

    4. Re:When does it become V-GER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, Klaa blew up one of the Pioneer probes. According to the script notes it was Pioneer 10. Of course, how that flew into Klingon space to begin with is beyond me, given how far they are supposed to be from us.

    5. Re:When does it become V-GER? by ipquickly · · Score: 5, Informative

      AND the above is WHY we don't dream big anymore.

      One of the greatest achievements of technology to talk about and all we can do is compare it to a tv show and outdated movie from almost decade ago. And this will happen every time we bring it up.

      We deserve the future we get.

      You're kidding, right?

      Here from Wikipedia:

      Cultural influence of Star Trek

      "Many scientists and engineers claim that their professional and life choices were influenced by Star Trek. The inventor of the first non-vehicular cell phone, Martin Cooper, states he was motivated to develop it from watching Star Trek."

      or from The Guardian:

      Star Trek technology: how 21st century scientists are making it so

      "Many have been inspired by Star Trek to become scientists, and some are starting to make its gadgetry a reality"

      I'm certain Star Trek was one of the top reasons many of the engineers at NASA became interested in engineering in the first place.

    6. Re:When does it become V-GER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget the Ion Thruster. Laughed at by many when it was featured on the show, then some scientists said "hey wait a minute, that might actually work." And holy shit, it works pretty well, even though it's certainly not as flashy as the ones in the show.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_1

    7. Re:When does it become V-GER? by robthebloke · · Score: 2
  4. Littering by ipquickly · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have enough trouble littering and leaving our useless garbage behind here on Earth. Now we are also littering in inter-stellar space.
    Do you know how freaking big the ticket for this will be?

    1. Re:Littering by Scutter · · Score: 2

      Voyager is moving at 10.5 miles per second. They gotta catch it first.

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    2. Re:Littering by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

      that is a nonsensical point of view, the universe is mostly filled with litter. Metal asteroids and hydrocarbons and dirty ice balls, the amount of cubic miles of that in our own solar system alone is beyond human comprehension, Man's pollution on a cosmic scale is essentially zero, the universe is already pre-polluted

    3. Re:Littering by martinX · · Score: 4, Funny

      And then I got a call from officer Obie-Wan. He said, "Kid, we found your name on a space probe at the bottom of a half a gigaton of
      garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie-Wan, I cannot tell a lie, I put that space probe
      under that garbage."

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    4. Re:Littering by bmo · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Now we are also littering in inter-stellar space.
      >Do you know how freaking big the ticket for this will be?

      Arlo Guthrie might even make a song about it.

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    5. Re:Littering by mark-t · · Score: 4, Informative

      no... we're about to accomplish extra-solar travel. Interstellar travel would actually entail reaching another star.

    6. Re:Littering by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Forget about littering. What if it hits and damages something important to someone? Like kids hurling a sports ball through the neighbor's window?

      An enraged alien will show up on Earth, with the Voyager in its hands, and interrogate us with, "Is this your probe that went through my living room window . . . ?"

      Then we'll be in for some bad shit.

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  5. It's sad.... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...stories like this just emphasize the major suckitude of the current US space policy in that our current glory is tech from 30 years in the past. What'll we be talking about 30 years in the future?

    1. Re:It's sad.... by Bill+Currie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Angry Birds and Minecraft, I imagine. :/

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    2. Re:It's sad.... by cmorriss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about the probes we have zipping around all over the solar system? Messenger is collecting tons of information about Mercury. Of course, our information on Mars is growing by leaps and bounds by the month and we have a probe on its way to Pluto due to arrive in a few years.

      All done by NASA. The U.S. space program has continued to do great science since Voyager was launched and will continue into the future. Name another country that's even close.

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    3. Re:It's sad.... by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Angry Birds seem to sponsor all sorts of things, why not space exploration?

      An Angry Bird shaped vessel hurtling out of the solar system would be awesome though I guess we'd have to hope that aliens aren't green and porcine lest they get the wrong idea.

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    4. Re:It's sad.... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All done by NASA

      To be fair, ESA (European S.A.) has also a few probes here and there, like Mars / Venus Express. But to be fair, NASA has always been very passionated about what they do and are very keen to share what they found. There are amazing apps about the various probes, where they are, their status, pictures they took etc... invaluable stuff for someone interested in astronomy/physics/more-than-the-ordinary.

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  6. Space Frogger by IonOtter · · Score: 2

    BEEP-BEEEE*squish*EEEeeeeep!

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  7. The don't make 'em like they used to by a_hanso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    35 years and still running (I had a 25 year old Toyota which did the same). What happened to us engineers? Where did we go wrong?

    1. Re:The don't make 'em like they used to by pokoteng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happened to us engineers? Where did we go wrong?

      We started listening to business requirements and started engineering for products that had x year lifespan which happens to be much shorter than older machines.

      Given funding, we can probably make extraordinary machines now that can last for a millennia. We just don't because of cost and customer requirements to constantly upgrade to next new thing and dump the old with lesser features and looks.

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    2. Re:The don't make 'em like they used to by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      It didn't make it past 15 years of operation

      The Zwurg captured it, crushed it, and have been spoofing empty space readings back to us to hide the fact we are inside a giant experimental sphere.

      Where voyager would be right now is actually solid lead.

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    3. Re:The don't make 'em like they used to by readin · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure whether this applies to spacecraft or not, but when it comes to old structures, particularly bridges, roads and buildings that are hundreds or thousands of years old, it might be that the engineers simply didn't know how to safely reduce costs while ensuring the item built didn't collapse in their lifetime. Put yourself in the place of an engineer who is figuring out how much stone you have to use and how long it will take to build. You really don't have any idea since there's no such thing as materials science yet. You do know that if you ask for too much time and labor your boss/king/pharoah/ceasar will be very annoyed, but if you ask for too little and the thing collapses on some people you'll end up paying with your life. So the tendency would be to engineer something that just won't fall down - ever.

      And then theirs the natural selection thing - the ancient buildings and bridges we see today are the ones that lasted, not the ones that collapsed early.

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    4. Re:The don't make 'em like they used to by the+gnat · · Score: 2

      35 years and still running (I had a 25 year old Toyota which did the same). What happened to us engineers? Where did we go wrong?

      Spirit lasted six years on Mars; Opportunity is nine years and counting. That's a minimum of six years spent rolling around in the sand on a planet with nighttime temperatures well below freezing, without any maintenance. And NASA built two of them. Granted, that was ten years ago, but Curiosity is doing pretty well so far.

      There's no reason why engineers, American, Japanese, or otherwise, can't build something that will last for decades under hellish conditions, if affordability is less important than durability. And they build stuff like this all the time - it's just that most consumer products (especially electronics) are relative crap, because there's no incentive for them to last forever. Who actually cares if your phone or DVD player breaks after a few years? There are also cases where it's stupid just on practical grounds to keep something around for 35 years - there certainly are computers that have lasted that long, but we usually discard computer equipment long before it stops working, simply because it's more efficient to replace it with something much faster that probably costs and weighs less too. An interplanetary probe is built to somewhat different specifications.

    5. Re:The don't make 'em like they used to by icebraining · · Score: 2

      A team is trying to make one to last ten millennia.

    6. Re:The don't make 'em like they used to by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

      I hate to break up your self-loathing session, but cars are a hell of a lot better designed than they were 25 years ago. 25 years ago, a car typically lasted 100,000 miles and generally cost more to maintain that it cost to replace. Today, cars that go through basic maintenance can easily go 200,000 miles. Your 25 year old Toyota is an outlier.

      And Voyager's lasting 35 years isn't that amazing relative to Spirit and Opportunity. Unlike those two rovers, Voyager has a relatively easy and unchanging environment. Once Voyager is going, it has a nuclear battery to power its systems, and is mostly just adrift in space. I believe it can do very minor course adjustment, but nothing like the rovers had to deal with. And Kepler is freaking amazing when you consider what tolerances it must be designed to. Engineers 35 years ago couldn't come close to designing the Kepler mission.

      I am not sure why the self-loathing is so popular on Slashdot, but it couldn't be further from the truth.

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  8. The story that never dies by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember years ago when it was first announced that Voyager was entering interstellar space? There was another announcement a year or two ago and now they are saying it's really really close. When I was growing up NASA was considered the most reliable department the government had. After all the budget cuts they've been so starved for big announcements they keep jumping the gun. I know this wasn't out of NASA but it's still a NASA project. The real news in the last week was Mercury but it got buried under higher profile non stories. It just breaks my heart to see this. If they want news releases give us more rover stories! We've got two functional rovers again on Mars and the older one gets no attention and the new one has been all but forgotten. I've seen some stunning images because I cruise geek sites but the general public sees nothing. NASA has got to get better at playing the press game. People still support Mars exploration but look at the ISS as the poster child for press boondoggles. It's been treated more like a secret military project in the press. It's been fully functional for years but other than stories about possibly abandoning it which started weeks after it was completed when is the last time the regular press had a story about what was actually going on in the space station itself, I'm not talking resupply missions. I'll bet the average person couldn't name a single accomplishment or even test run on the space station. I'd bet most people have completely forgotten about it. What's the point of all the science if no one ever hears about it??? Botched press releases and dead silence is slowly killing NASA.

    1. Re:The story that never dies by ipquickly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was about to make a joke about space expanding, but you raise quite a few valid points.
      If we don't make science "cool" and find ways to get younger generations interested in research and exploration we will be eclipsed by cultures and countries which will find themselves venturing out into space for the first time. They have all our research and experience - as our endeavors are well documented. To this they will add their own technologies and experience. Information might not flow both ways, leaving us at a severe disadvantage.

      By funding science and exploration we are funding our future. Our children are our future and we are leaving them at a disadvantage.

    2. Re:The story that never dies by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair, the NASA press releases are usually pretty accurate.

      They did announce that they confirmed entering the heliosheath a few years ago. They confirmed to have crossed the Heliopause last year.

      Now the journalists who write these articles write them as "Voyager entering interstellar space", which isn't entirely inaccurate, since it's a pretty vague concept.

      At least it's still working, and generating discussion...

    3. Re:The story that never dies by a_hanso · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny. I was about to make a joke about Zeno's Paradox.

    4. Re:The story that never dies by Rakshasa-sensei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are assuming the heliostat is static... It isn't, and it changes a lot depending on magnetic fields.

      If you look at the graphs (that are out there), there was 2-3 temporary drops in the magnetic field and increase in low-energy charged particles. Now it is truly beyond that boundary.

    5. Re:The story that never dies by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 2

      Remember years ago when it was first announced that Voyager was entering interstellar space?

      No, I remember reading articles about Voyager crossing the termination shock and the heliosheath. Now we're coming up on the heliopause.

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    6. Re:The story that never dies by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2

      Funny. I was about to make a joke about Zeno's Paradox.

      I was halfway to making that same joke.

  9. Who's the "We" ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is truly a triumph of modern science and unfortunately we do not dream big like this anymore. We are limited to our own backyard. The moon, Mars, etc. Such a shame.

    If the "we" in question is NASA, your assertion is true.
     
    However, if the "we" denotes the human race, nope, the dream is still on, and there are still people working towards achieving even greater goals.
     
    People in Brazil, in Japan, in India, in China are working on projects that may take us (and the "us" here means human race) further.

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    1. Re:Who's the "We" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is truly a triumph of modern science and unfortunately we do not dream big like this anymore. We are limited to our own backyard. The moon, Mars, etc. Such a shame.

      If the "we" in question is NASA, your assertion is true. However, if the "we" denotes the human race, nope, the dream is still on, and there are still people working towards achieving even greater goals. People in Brazil, in Japan, in India, in China are working on projects that may take us (and the "us" here means human race) further.

      And you would be wrong as well. The fact is that NASA is still dreaming big. Putting man on the moon for 3 days is NOT that hard. It was that NASA planned it, and CONgress funded it, allowing them to get it done.
      Now, NASA was striving to go to Mars and the moon in the 90's when the republicans gutted this effort. They made NASA stop work on things like Transhab and VASIMIR. The neo-cons wanted NASA spending to go into a different direction. Clinton opposed it as being short-sighted, but it was part of a deal to drop our deficit.
      THis was followed with more gutting the ISS, post Columbia, but oddly, the most important piece of the ISS, the centrifuge, was gutted. This would tell us how to survive on the moon and mars. And yet, the neo-cons gutted this on item. Just amazing.
      Then it was decided to kill off the shuttle (good, since it was costing too much money), and push for Constellation. However, again, CONgress, basically neo-cons, underfunded it so badly that the program was DOA. Thankfully, the 90's plan that NASA hatched to get private space going was funded for cargo only.
      Now, Obama comes on and backs pushing private space, while killing off Constellation (it was dead anyways and just rotting). Yet, the neo-cons have worked their tails off to kill it and any attempt to leave the planet. They tried to kill the 1-2B for funding CCDev claiming a waste of money, while pushing the SLS for 20B telling NASA which contractors they would use. In particular, it was all of the contractors that were in CONgress critter's districts.
      The neo-cons are STILL striving to kill off private space. In particular, NASA wants to fund PRIVATE fuel depot and various tugs for service. Some would be chemical, but others would be electrical (great for cargo). In addition, they want to get private space stations going, esp. Bigelow. These companies would then work together to put man on the moon and mars. NASA would simply lead the way, doing the hard R&D, while allowing private space to do the things that NASA has already R&D. With this approach, we will be on the moon by 2020, IFF the neo-cons are not allowed to gut NASA again.

      NASA is dreaming big. It is one political party that is far more interested in keeping itself alive rather than worrying about our nation's future that is the problem.

  10. Tonight by koan · · Score: 2

    I will think a little thought for lonely Voyager.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  11. Again? by Sperbels · · Score: 2

    Well, it's been close to entering interstellar space for the last 10 - 15 years. Are they just going to keep re-releasing this story every year?

    1. Re:Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      NASA today announced they have hired the writers from LOST to write upcoming press releases.

      No seriously I love to think about Voyager. Out there longer than I've been alive, visiting most of our planets, now going interstellar. I like hearing these little stories, that she is still alive and kicking. Theres all that stuff, the record, the plate. You know, when serious scientists like Carl sat around smoked a joint and thought what should we put on it if aliens find it in 100,000 years from now.

        There is no clear barrier where interstellar starts. Its basically there now. But what happens then? They turn it off? There is no more news to report.

        I look forward to launching Voyager 3 and 4 in 2151 and 2152.

    2. Re:Again? by niktemadur · · Score: 2

      Each year Voyager seems to reach a new marker, but every time the news is announced with the same backstory every time, so it can feel repetitive.
      About 10 years ago it was reaching a fluctuation in the solar wind, wasn't it?
      Then it was confirmed that it was on the outer edge of the heliosheath, where the solar wind turns sideways to fall back in.
      Now it's interstellar particles moving freely.

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      Lil' Thindime, lilting a lacrimose lament, krashes the kwaint konfines of Kokonino Kounty
  12. Re:America was king in the 60s and 70s by KingMotley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggests mistake that America made was "free-trade" and dropping their tarifs and duties.

    It is only a mistake if you are trying to keep one country on top of all the others. Free-trade has made the WORLD a better place, at the expense of the USA. Now it's up to you to decide if that is a good or bad thing.

  13. voids are hugely repulsive by epine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Man's pollution on a cosmic scale is essentially zero, the universe is already pre-polluted

    The average density of the universe is about one proton per cubic meter. The vast majority of the visible universe is pristine vacuum. Plus, nearly every galaxy holds at its core a matter-disposal rip-heap of eternal safe-keeping.

    Bear in mind that we now know there's a very small leak into the surrounding environment at around 60 nano-kelvin (*). Before we route too much of our crap to the galactic disposal unit, perhaps we should learn from our mistakes on the slimy blue marble and perform a rigorous environmental impact study on anthropogenic black-hole warming, just in case bumping it up to 61 nano-kelvins triggers a dark matter landslide. (By the "it's all about us, every time, and in every way" anthropic principle, every bulk coefficient of our local environment is fluttering around a precarious and exquisitely tuned value optimal to survival as we presently know it.)

    (*) For simplicity I use the Hawking temperature for a solar mass black hole. From the equation at Wikipedia, this appears to scale inversely with mass. Possibly the right temperature involves division by another factor of 4 million to account for the correct mass of the galactic darth Timbit (local idiom for doughnut hole). I'm getting 15 femto-kelvins without a napkin. Let's not be brash and mess with this number anthropogenically without really thinking things through, to solve some minor problem with space-based pollution in some gossamer filigree of the pristine vacuum.

    One would think it might be easier just to toss our junk in the direction of the Local Void. This, however, amounts to carting your garbage uphill.

    Wikipedia: The Milky Way's velocity away from the Local Void is 270 kilometres per second (600,000 mph). Voids are hugely repulsive.

  14. Still receiving commands? by waynemcdougall · · Score: 4, Funny

    What sort of commands are we sending?

    "Keep going"
    "Just keep going"
    "Don't turn around and come back"
    "Just a little bit further - just keep going"
    "Nearly there - keep going"

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    Recycle PCs and build a wireless community network www.hillsborough.org.nz
    1. Re:Still receiving commands? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, "commands"... it's actually a recording of Celine Dion, it makes it go even faster trying to get away. They're considering doing a pan pipe album to power an interstellar probe next.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  15. The Gripes of Wrath by XiaoMing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's with all the complaints? How is this not news for nerds?

    We thought the heliosphere should have ended earlier. It (surprisingly, without sarcasm) hasn't. It's explained within the same summary what the expected metrics for such a boundary should be (a change in the direction of the magnetic field), as well as a quantification of the closeness (that extra-solar particles are making forays into Voyager's sensors) of said boundary.

    Add a dash of the fact that we are able to communicate through outer space with four-decades old technology, and I'm really not seeing what there is to bitch about.

    Oh and the Mars rover? Yeah it's still being analyzed whether the "complex hydrocarbons" are actually organic compounds, just like how it was still being analyzed whether the timing glitch in the LHC was a violation of general relativity. That is speculation, it's not news (at least not for nerds).

  16. Re:not to rain on anyone's parade.... by petsounds · · Score: 2

    The edge of the solar system is supposed to be the oort cloud at about 1 light-year away

    We're not talking about reaching the edge of the Solar system, we are talking about our first foray into interstellar space. And interstellar space starts beyond the heliopause, not the Oort Cloud. That's why Voyager's cosmic ray measurements have been so important.

    On a side note, it looks as if Voyager 2 may be reaching the edge of the part of the heliosphere it is traveling through. The high-energy particles (which are coming from the Sun) have been steadily decreasing the past few months.

  17. Re:How may times can Voyager leave the solar syste by aneroid · · Score: 2

    well..."The Solar System consists of the Sun and its planetary system of eight planets, their moons, and other non-stellar objects." So that happened a while ago.

    Between the solar system and interstellar space is the heliosphere (which encompasses the solar system, bordered/demarcated by the heliopause).

  18. Re:not to rain on anyone's parade.... by aneroid · · Score: 2

    To make things more ambiguous (along the GPs point), "Interstellar space": Voyager 1 is 17 light hours from us (so under 0.2% the distance to Proxima Centauri). Not sure when or how they decided interstellar space starts before the Oort Cloud (1 ly away).

    A justification could be made that astronomically-scaled systems may have plenty of in-between objects that are far enough away to be considered interstellar space. However, when defining an interstellar comet: "At present, an interstellar comet can only be detected if it passes through our solar system, and could be distinguished from an Oort cloud comet by its strongly hyperbolic trajectory (indicating that it is not gravitationally bound to the Sun)." - so if interstellar comets are not interstellar unless they originate from outside the Oort Cloud, I don't see why we consider Voyager 1 even remotely approaching interstellar space when it's still so far from the Oort Cloud.

    And reversibly, due to Voyager 1's known one-way trajectory out/away from the Sun, it could be considered not gravitationally bound to the Sun. So is or will be interstellar if not destroyed before.

    Anyway, I think 'exiting the heliosphere' is the point of the article. 'Interstellar space' is a sensationalist term in the headline.

  19. Re:not to rain on anyone's parade.... by Mr+Z · · Score: 2

    The defining aspect is the medium the craft is flying through. The solar wind has dropped from supersonic to nil, and the Sun's magnetic field is about to be superseded by the overall galactic magnetic field. I'd say that's a pretty good definition of transitioning from the solar system's medium to the interstellar medium, since the space the craft is floating through has changed qualitatively.

    I guess it's a bit like the difference between the boundary of the Earth's atmosphere, and the orbit of the Moon. The Moon is gravitationally bound to the Earth, but the Earth's atmosphere ends well before you get to the Moon. Where do you say the boundary of space is as you leave the Earth?