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Brain Disease Found In NFL Players

SternisheFan sends this excerpt from ABC: "On the heels of the latest NFL suicide, researchers announced today that 34 NFL players whose brains were studied suffered from CTE, a degenerative brain disease brought on by repeated hits to the head that results in confusion, depression and, eventually, dementia. The study was released just days after the murder-suicide of Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher. It's not yet known what triggered Belcher's action, but they mirror other NFL players who have committed suicide. Researchers at Boston University's Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy published the largest case series study of CTE to date (abstract), according to the center. Of the 85 brains donated by the families of deceased veterans and athletes with histories of repeated head trauma, they found CTE in 68 of them. Of those, 34 were professional football players, nine others played college football and six played only high school football. Of the 35 professional football players' brains donated, only one had no evidence of the disease, according to the study." It's a good thing we protect our youth from conditions like this.

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  1. Did we really need a study for this? by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do we really need a study to show that repeated hits to the head result in confusion, depression and dementia? If so, I'd like to sign up to be the guy on the research team that whacks this researcher on the head repeatedly so he can discover the effects.

    I just want to help. Really I do.

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    1. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, they need to expand the study and find out what performance enhancers might be in use as well.

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    2. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do we really need a study to show that repeated hits to the head result in confusion, depression and dementia? If so, I'd like to sign up to be the guy on the research team that whacks this researcher on the head repeatedly so he can discover the effects.

      I just want to help. Really I do.

      We know that hits to the head result in all that and more, but now there's actual quantized data. With hard facts it's harder to muddle the issue with "but they wear protective helmets" or some other wishy washy double talk.

    3. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do we really need a study to show that repeated hits to the head result in confusion, depression and dementia? If so, I'd like to sign up to be the guy on the research team that whacks this researcher on the head repeatedly so he can discover the effects.

      I just want to help. Really I do.

      If we want information on such minor questions as "how often repeated?", "Just how hard?", "Are the effects merely additive, or does one hit make the next more dangerous?", "Are hits with no clinicially observable effects safe or do they add up?".

      It has never been news that hits hard enough to produce immediate, observable, effects are a bad plan. That hits with no effect, or from which you appear to recover, are a very serious risk for degeneration in the mid to long term? That isn't immediately obvious.

    4. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by xQx · · Score: 4, Funny

      In other news, this study was repeated using NFL supporters as a control group.

      In that study, no statistically significant differences were found between the level of brain damage found in the control group compared with that of the group studied.

    5. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do people become stupid from playing football or does football attract stupid people?

    6. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because the sports industry is fighting this research as hard as possible because they see it as the end of their cash cow. Read Sports Illustrated and check out how they portray this as pseudoscientific bullshit.

      If we can conclusively prove that concussive sports such as football and boxing lead to degenerative brain disease, every company invested in those sports will be looking at the end of their livelihood. Rather than do what's right for the players, they are working hard to spread FUD about such research.

      So yeah, we need the study. We are going up against the entire sports industry, and they have deep pockets.

    7. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, having been in that position on a (thankfully) few occasions (not related to sports), "got his bell rung" is actually a pretty good description of the sensation involved. It feels very much like a ringing bell sounds.

    8. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wherever there is money to be made, there will be industry people doing everything they can to keep the money rolling, even if it means insane amounts of damage.

      But hey, it's America. Jesus loves a winner. Jesus hates taxes, Mexicans and poor sick people. Jesus loves the guy that gets thirty major concussions in his NFL career and suffers advanced dementia in his fifties.

      God bless this great country!

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    9. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      First of all, it's pretty much been determined that helmets offer little more than a false sense of security, meaning the hits being taken are that much worse. I'll wager, as counterintuitive as it seems, that rugby players don't actually suffer the same degree of head injuries as sports like football or ice hockey, where helmets are sold as not only protection, but an excuse to keep smashing skulls.

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    10. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then you are not thinking this through properly.

      I, on the other hand, would like to volunteer for the study that seeks to prove that receiving oral sex to completion from large breasted women is pleasurable.

      LK

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    11. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by hedleyroos · · Score: 2

      It is illegal to tackle above the shoulders in rugby. You must also perform a tackle using your arms, not shoulder a player. We have very few cases of head trauma.

    12. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      But hey, it's America. Jesus loves a winner. Jesus hates taxes, Mexicans and poor sick people. Jesus loves the guy that gets thirty major concussions in his NFL career and suffers advanced dementia in his fifties.

      Wrong about that last one; Jesus only loves the team owners that profited off of it.

      (Unless it's those socialistic Green Bay Packers.)

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    13. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by bogjobber · · Score: 2

      Yes, actually, we do. It was previously thought that only hits hard enough to cause visible concussion symptoms resulted in brain damage. Now we know that consistent low-level impacts have a far more significant impact on CTE. Another thing that was not understood was how prevalent brain damage was in the sport. Obviously in a game featuring violent impacts you're going to end up with some brain damage, but the fact is that *nearly all* professional football players show some sign of CTE, and even kids as young as 15 or 16 are showing signs of the disease. This has brought about *massive* changes to the way we practice and officiate the sport, particularly at the high school level.

      This is a really fascinating subject for anyone that is interested:
      The Women Who Would Save Football
      Concussions among adolescents
      Concussions in the NHL

      Oh wait, I forgot this is slashdot, and the hivemind looks down on athletics. OHMAGEERRRRD, FOOTBALL IS SO STUPID.

    14. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by Antipater · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BS; I used to get wrapped around the neck or face all the time while being tackled. You don't get impacts to the head (except from the ground), sure, but you do get it yanked, squeezed, clawed, and kicked. And nothing is worse than a large ruck collapsing and the weight of five or more large men pinning your head to the ground - that happened to me three times in the same game once. I couldn't see straight afterwards. It's true, though; you do see a lot less head trauma injuries in rugby (they are still there, though), thanks to the you-must-wrap-while-tackling rule. There is a corresponding increase in joint dislocation and ligament injuries, though, from my anecdotal experience. Tradeoffs.

      The point of football helmets has never been to protect the brain until just recently. It's been to protect the skull, the ears, the face, all the cosmetic stuff. But the brain? Nope. There's a new generation of helmets out there that are supposed to be better, but nobody wears them yet because, well, they're incredibly ugly. But with the increasing focus on concussions in the NFL this year, including the number of high-profile players who've been knocked out, I think we'll see them start to be adopted as early as next year.

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    15. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by hedleyroos · · Score: 2

      The lower the league you play in the bigger the chance of receiving high tackles / fouls. I see this in many sports. Maybe it's due to amateur referees, maybe the players are too aggressive. If someone clawed(!) you that person should have received a straight red card.

    16. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But seriously will it matter? Not to be cruel but its not like we all didn't already know getting your brain bashed repeatedly was bad for you, hell look at boxing, not even a helmet there and we have seen so many old boxers drooling on themselves from brain damage it isn't even funny.

      But the simple fact is as long as there is huge piles of money to be made from having one guy headbrick the other guy it is NEVER gonna change. if it were ever gonna change boxing would have been outlawed 20 years ago, after all the amount of brain damaged football players is nothing compared to how many boxers get brain damage.

      As much as I wish it weren't so as long as the owners and the memorabilia companies and the food vendors and all these others are raking in the cash then these guys are just disposable, sad but true. That is why I think college football and boxing should be banned and the teams have to pay for minor leagues, if these guys are gonna risk getting busted all to hell at least cut them a check for the risk.

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    17. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Coming from the UK: maybe they should play without helmets. Helmets are banned in the sport of Rugby because they cause the players to play too rough.

    18. Re:Did we really need a study for this? by deimtee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you a large breasted woman?

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  2. 1000 ziplocs anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Going to be interesting to see if Belcher's brain had this disease, seeing as it was spread all over the parking lot.

    1. Re:1000 ziplocs anyone? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Going to be interesting to see if Belcher's brain had this disease, seeing as it was spread all over the parking lot.

      One of his former colleagues shot himself in the chest instead, for precisely that reason...

    2. Re:1000 ziplocs anyone? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 5, Funny

      Going to be interesting to see if Belcher's brain had this disease, seeing as it was spread all over the parking lot.

      One of his former colleagues shot himself in the chest instead, for precisely that reason...

      Geez, I thought you were trolling but he LITERALLY... "sent a text message to his family saying he wanted his brain to be used for research at the Boston University School of Medicine, which is conducting research into chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) caused by playing professional football" ... and then shot himself in the chest!

      This guy was the definition of team player.

    3. Re:1000 ziplocs anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Going to be interesting to see if Belcher's brain had this disease, seeing as it was spread all over the parking lot.

      One of his former colleagues shot himself in the chest instead, for precisely that reason...

      Geez, I thought you were trolling but he LITERALLY... "sent a text message to his family saying he wanted his brain to be used for research at the Boston University School of Medicine, which is conducting research into chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) caused by playing professional football" ... and then shot himself in the chest!

      This guy was the definition of team player.

      Lucky for him that his heart was in the right place.

    4. Re:1000 ziplocs anyone? by cavebison · · Score: 2

      This guy was the definition of team player.

      And, ironically, despite the brain damage, more interested in science than the average person.

  3. Just like any high impact (to the head) sport. by ipquickly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This has been studied time and time again.
    Any sport that involves any repeated impact to the head - whether football, boxing or soccer will result in brain injury.

    1. Re:Just like any high impact (to the head) sport. by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh yes, the researchers are far too stupid to use control groups. Thank goodness you came along to explain science to them.

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  4. Nonsense by wbr1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I plraled futbawl sence I wurz 5. It made my dad happy, and me happer. I never get suicidal, and I got hit in ther head hunnreds of times in those years. Preas don't look at my record and see my addiction to oxys and wife beating as any evidence to suppurt ur stupid claims either.

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  5. Re:Redundancy by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    Nonsense. This is Slashdot. I'd hope that they'd at least include one line specifying how much more prevalent brain disease was, what the sample size was, and a statement saying their findings were statistically significant. After all, we're nerds. We need some facts to back up the things we already know.

  6. Re:Jealous much? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    Sorry to say this, but, it's actually a whole lot easier than you think...

    Not when you look like me. It was my life goal for decades until I finally gave up. It was just too difficult. I had to go back to electrical engineering and plasma physics. Much easier. If you're a pretty boy it's easy. If you're not it actually is a major achievement.

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  7. Re:Nothing to see here. Move along. by lord_mike · · Score: 5, Informative

    The term "football" is in reference to playing the game "on foot" as opposed to mounted on a horse like polo. Many early versions of games called football in the middle ages involved practically no kicking of a ball at all. The direct precursors to Association Football, or Soccer, allowed one to not only touch the ball with your hands, but catch it, too (i.e. the fair catch, which still survives with Soccer's cousins Rugby and American Football).

    As for the brain damage with the North American version of the game, I'm not sure if there is much of a solution. There is a common belief that all the hard shell padding and hard helmets are to blame, and going "naked" like rugby would solve the problem. Players wouldn't feel as invincible and their instinct for self-preservation would kick in, reducing the force of their blocks and tackles. The data doesn't support this theory. There have been positive brain trauma studies of this sort going back 80 years ago during the age of leather helmets and soft padding, so reducing protection is probably not the answer. The nature of the game is simply predisposed to hard hits both in blocking and tackling players. The goal is to always get extra yardage or jar the ball loose. That's not an issue in rugby where there is no line to gain, the ball is loose after every play, and there is no blocking allowed. I'm not sure you could make the game safer without so radically changing its nature that it would essentially become something completely different from football as we know it.

  8. Not surprising by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean look at the size of these guys today. Even the wide receivers are huge. Bigger, stronger, faster...all to feed our insatiable appetite for violence disguised as sport. In hockey it's the fights. In nascar it's the crashes. In football it's the big hit. Add to that the enormous sums of money available to the stars of these sports and it's no wonder they will do whatever is necessary to win. All to the delight of the fat, shirtless drunk spewing profanities on every play.

    The athletes are simply too big and strong. Could you imagine Fran Tarkenton playing in today's NFL? He would get killed. The equipment cannot protect them adequately. The NFL is stuck between giving the fans what they want on the one hand and getting sued on the other hand by crippled ex players. Cutting back on the head shots is a good start but how much can you really do to prevent permanent injury?

    1. Re:Not surprising by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I'm not so familiar with football, but I know that with hockey, it's been demanded from many quarters for a couple of decades now that all leagues stop the checking and the fighting. The leagues will pay lip service to it, but the hard facts are that fans want to see violence. They want to see enforcers smashing the shit out of the fast little guy from the opposing team that keeps scoring goals. They love it when a player is smashed against the boards by some guy doing thirty miles an hour. It sells tickets. Sure the end result is some fifty year old guy with joints and spine so damaged they're physically like a 70 year old, and their brains addled because they've been giving and taking hits since they were eight years old because their old man, their coach, and every fucking person in the arena wanted to seem some actions.

      What I see happening in the football and hockey leagues is a long waver that expunges the league and team of all responsibility. The promise of big bucks, women and fan adulation will keep the bulk of players in the game. The smart ones, yeah, they'll probably go "My brains and my body aren't worth this...", but for the majority, they'll take the long term pain for the short term gain.

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    2. Re:Not surprising by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The GP is wrong about football. Sure, there are some guys who want to hurt each other, but often the opposing players are friends, who might have played on the same team in the past. They're big because it gives them a competitive advantage, just like sumo wrestlers or basketball players.

      In football, a big hit, sure it'll attract attention, but a nice run or beautiful interception will attract more.

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    3. Re:Not surprising by Alomex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but the hard facts are that fans want to see violence.

      This is a tautological statement. People who don't like violence turn off the TV and hence the remaining fans are the ones who like violence. But reality is that viewership would definitely go up if violence was eliminated.

      Presently, non-violent Olympic hockey gets the highest viewership figures by far both in the USA and Canada.

  9. Re:We have to sacrifice the youth of a few.. by csumpi · · Score: 2

    What's the alternative? No challenges, no sports so kids don't get hurt? Hand them an iPad, sit them on the couch with a nanny and feed them cereal? Then get a shrink to subscribe Ritalin once they get messed up from high carb diet, no exercise and low self esteem?

    Just let them play some ball.

  10. simple, just make brain damage illegal by kawabago · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then no one will be able to get it.

  11. Re:nothing wrong with suicide by tftp · · Score: 2

    Three types of people commit suicide. The confused, the desperate, and the cowardly.

    Imagine that you are 80 years old and have $1 million in the bank. One day your doctor tells you that you are incurably ill and will start suffering unbearable pain tomorrow. The doctors can give you additional 100 days of life for the low cost of $10K per day. Then you will die anyway, and your family - or needy charities - will have nothing. You decide to commit suicide instead. Will you be confused, desperate or cowardly as you jump from the roof?

    If you don't like my example then feel free to imagine a war hero who accepts a mission that will save thousands of men but will have him killed. Who will be that hero, using the short list of options that you provided?

    My point here is simple. Suicide can be also a rational choice.

  12. Re:nothing wrong with suicide by pclminion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Belcher was no victim. He murdered his girlfriend in cold blood and then took the easy way out by killing himself before he could be brought to justice. I suppose his act could be described as rational (having just destroyed his entire life, what reason was there to go on?) But it wasn't brave, or honorable.

    It's possible that repeated hits to the head fucked him up, but we don't allow "I was fucked up your honor" as an excuse for other people, such as drunk drivers.

  13. Re:Darwin by dryeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Baby Orcas have a way better survival rate when they have living grandparents. Seems that growing old and helping your children raise your grandchildren enhances the chances of survival of your genes.

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  14. Re:nothing wrong with suicide by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    It's possible that repeated hits to the head fucked him up, but we don't allow "I was fucked up your honor" as an excuse for other people, such as drunk drivers.

    Are you an idiot by genetics, or did you play too much football? Never heard of: "Not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect"?

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  15. Re:Darwin by Sulphur · · Score: 2

    Darwin would have you losing to these guys since by the time their disease develops they have already slept with plenty of desirable women. If jumping off a cliff would make you more attractive to the opposite sex, Darwinism would make us all cliff jumpers.

    Athletic Darwinism has its supporters.

  16. Re:Darwin by actiondan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are also animals where the survival chances of offspring is enhanced by the sacrifice of their parents.

    Maybe the financial benefits of playing the NFL, which can be passed to offspring, outweigh the potential downside of having a shorter life.

  17. Re:nothing wrong with suicide by demonlapin · · Score: 2

    That's not exactly an easy verdict to get.

    I work part-time at a state mental hospital, and through that job have met two people who actually qualified for the label and yet are normally well-behaved enough that they can be allowed out of the criminally-insane building. One killed his parents and a sibling while home on a break from college. If you don't treat his psychosis, he becomes withdrawn and violent. If you treat it too well, though, he comes out of the fog, remembers what he did, and goes into severe depression over it. Tough balancing act. The other is an ex cop who came home one day and tried a murder-suicide. The murder worked. The suicide didn't. Messy.

  18. Re:nothing wrong with suicide by turp182 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually we do allow "I was fucked up your honor" for drunk drivers, especially football players.

    Back in 1998, Leonard Little of the St. Louis Rams killed a mother of two who was crossing a street in downtown St. Louis late at night (on her way to work). It was his birthday, and he was quite drunk (.19 BAC).

    He got a 90 day sentence with work release so he could practice with the team. He also had some probation and public service time (which I bet was served through football sponsored stuff).

    He didn't miss a game and, unfortunately, he continued to play for the Rams for several years. I hate to say it, but I wish mental problems upon him as that would represent some justice in a situation where there was none.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Little

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  19. Re:Darwin by scot4875 · · Score: 2

    Except that most NFL players have relatively short careers and are making the NFL minimum wage. (Still quite well paid for playing a game, no doubt, but they aren't all making millions per year). Couple that with the fact that the types that usually make the NFL aren't exactly known for their financial acumen, and you'll find that a lot of NFL players end up broke within a few years of retirement. I don't remember the exact numbers and can't be bothered to look it up right now, but it was a fairly significant percentage, IIRC.

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