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IBM Creates Commercially Viable, Electronic-Photonic Integrated Chip

An anonymous reader writes "After more than a decade of research, and a proof of concept in 2010, IBM Research has finally cracked silicon nanophotonics (or CMOS-integrated nanophotonics, CINP, to give its full name). IBM has become the first company to integrate electrical and optical components on the same chip, using a standard 90nm semiconductor process. These integrated, monolithic chips will allow for cheap chip-to-chip and computer-to-computer interconnects that are thousands of times faster than current state-of-the-art copper and optical networks. Where current interconnects are generally measured in gigabits per second, IBM's new chip is already capable of shuttling data around at terabits per second, and should scale to peta- and exabit speeds."

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  1. More info by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article is remarkably lacking in technical details.

    This article from two years ago is a little more detailed: http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4211151/IBM-debuts-CMOS-silicon-nanophotonics
    or this press release: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/33115.wss

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    1. Re:More info by Shatrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also remarkably misleading. Infinera has been doing Photonic Integrated Circuits for a while now, but they're definitely not cheap.
      The only thing IBM may have pioneered is doing it on Silicon. Infinera uses Indium Phosphide.

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    2. Re:More info by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      The article is remarkably lacking in technical details.

      Maybe they are waiting for the patent applications to be processed, before giving out too many details . . . ?

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    3. Re:More info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only thing IBM may have pioneered is doing it on Silicon. Infinera uses Indium Phosphide.

      What they've done hardly sounds like a small thing. They've gone from lab-scale to commercial-scale, at least in the lab (if that makes sense).

      They're not the first to make this kind of chip, but they've advanced the state of the art. There aren't many times when a completely new invention comes out, most of the time it's baby steps like this.

    4. Re:More info by Shatrat · · Score: 2

      Infinera was at commercial scale around 7 years ago, at 100Gigabit speeds (10x10Gbit/s). They're very expensive, but cheaper than 10 discrete OTU2/OC192/10GbE LAN-PHY transponders with optics. From what I've read in article, IBM may possibly be able to use this to lower the cost of LR4 optics in routers, at least that's what they seem to be aiming at. It won't give us the ability to do anything we can't already do today, though.

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    5. Re:More info by bws111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It won't give us the ability to do anything we can't already do today, though.

      Yes, it will. It will give you the ability to afford the technology, so that applications may turn up in places where you would not be able to put an Infinera type device.

    6. Re:More info by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      You can't afford RAM at L2 speeds, and thats what the problem has always been.

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    7. Re:More info by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Informative

      RAM is incredibly fast. L1 cache is SRAM and faster; RAM access requires a whole lot of shit with slow clocking. There's a lot of latency because there's a memory controller between everything that works out how to send commands across and get data and put it in the CPU, mostly because just accessing RAM outright by attaching it to CPU pins doesn't work anymore (and partly because the memory controller adds features, but that's become less of an effect). Seriously the CPU can clock a few times by the time access requests actually reaches the RAM.

    8. Re:More info by Shatrat · · Score: 2

      Because, they have not demonstrated that it can be mass-produced cheaply. They're still doing these in a lab. They may be using standard 90mm lithography process, but they're using non-standard wafers with some exotic bits stuck in there like germanium and carbon nanotubes. Whether they can produce this with the kind of success rate needed to make it worthwhile is yet to be seen.

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  2. Original press release [Re:More info] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    And here's the IBM press release
    http://researcher.ibm.com/researcher/view_project.php?id=2757
    which has a sidebar that has "links to additional information" with a lot more details.

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  3. OpSIS by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://opsisfoundry.org/

    OpSIS is a foundry service for integrated photonics/CMOS electronics, similar to MOSIS for CMOS. Academic and research institutions can get small lots of experimental designs built as part of a multi-chip wafer run. They support libraries of standard and example components, some modelling and rules decks. They plan several fab runs a year, and access, last time I checked, three different processes from different vendors. Carver Mead is a booster.

    I had hoped to start designing with their rules a while ago, and got pulled into more immediate projects. I still think it's pretty cool, and would like to get back to it if ever I get a quiet moment.

    1. Re:OpSIS by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing that's worth looking into - OpSIS hosts or points to web-based training and seminars several times a year, sometimes given by CAD vendors that support their design and fab processes. They are well worth sitting in for if you're trying to spin up on this stuff. Not a plug, just my own experience.

  4. Don't plan a desktop upgrade yet by Chewbacon · · Score: 2

    FTFA: "Ultimately, we are talking about a standard computer chip that could be integrated into any electronic device, without significantly impacting the price." This is going for to be high-end applications for quite some time and pretty damn pricey when it first hits the desktop.

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    1. Re:Don't plan a desktop upgrade yet by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't that true of all computer technology?

  5. Optical computing? by CanadianRealist · · Score: 2

    Data transmission using photons rather than electrons is better. IBM has figured out how to do parts of that on silicon.

    Processing the data using photons instead of silicon might be better too. How much does what IBM has done help us towards being able to produce photonic logic?

    1. Re:Optical computing? by Shatrat · · Score: 3, Informative

      How much does what IBM has done help us towards being able to produce photonic logic?

      None of it. They're just working toward miniaturizing and reducing the cost of these things. https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8819852028889869930?q=LR4%20CFP

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  6. Re:Fast, Cheap n' Frigid by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You've got to remember that all those rules are easily dismissed by converse. There's always a trade-off, you can make something faster but it becomes hotter, or more expensive, or less durable... lies. You can demonstratably make something expensive, slow, high-power, and low-durability by extremely inefficient process.

    In economics people like to discuss job creators and wealth movement, trickle-up and trickle-down, the loss of businesses, poor people and rich people... but they fail to understand wealth. Take the "shop locally" thing... if you have a local bookstore versus Amazon, people tell you to shop locally because it "keeps the money in the community." Problem is the local bookstore is crap, they order from the big publishers and distributors, etc; some folks argue Walmart or B&N are as bad as Amazon and not like a local bookstore, but their stores still pay local taxes on their income, they still pay rent, hire sales people, and order from the same distributors.

    Now let's say you order from Amazon because it's $10 cheaper. That money leaves the local community, but $10 stays ... you're $10 wealthier. The local bookstore has terrible selection and is expensive... it goes out of business. Meanwhile you've got a local farmer's market and you shop there with the extra $10 you have. That's wealth creation: you have the same goods (a book) plus more money ($10) to buy other goods (fresh food). If this is the general trend, the Farmer's Market garners that much more business, expands, and replaces the local book shop's place in the community--the community demand for a farmer's market was higher than a local bookstore, the community is now wealthier.

    The same principle applies to the manufacture of goods. If you're doing something sloppy, develop a refinement. We didn't get to 3GHz CPUs by overclocking a 486 by 100 times and slapping on a big fan and heat sink; we streamlined the process to be 100 times more efficient, then paid the extra expense to downsize the process, took a smaller efficiency hit, jacked up the CPU speed, and added a big fan. Truth be told, we could run these things at half the speed and find that they last forever, they're a lot faster than the old 486, and they need all of a tiny little heat sink and maybe a fan (maybe not). Instead of building 32nm, we could continue to build 60nm and not pay the expense--but the 60nm equipment has gotten better and we get fewer bad chips and fewer defects and so much longer component life. We're there, we just threw more chips in 'cause we had 'em.

    Essentially, we got faster, cheaper, and lower power, all at once. Then, we cranked up the speed, put more dollars into cutting-edge technology, and things became faster, hotter, and more expensive. We've gained wealth, though--we've gained it and we've spent it to get even more speed. We had all of speed, power consumption, and cost, and we paid the cost and power consumption gains back in and opted for even more speed. In the end, though, the output's still bigger than our original input.

    We violated the silly "can't have everything" law every step of the way.

  7. Re:Fast, Cheap n' Frigid by mjr167 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shush! We have no place for you and your logic!

  8. Re:Fast, Cheap n' Frigid by inputdev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In economics people like to discuss job creators and wealth movement, trickle-up and trickle-down, the loss of businesses, poor people and rich people... but they fail to understand wealth. Take the "shop locally" thing... if you have a local bookstore versus Amazon, people tell you to shop locally because it "keeps the money in the community." Problem is the local bookstore is crap, they order from the big publishers and distributors, etc; some folks argue Walmart or B&N are as bad as Amazon and not like a local bookstore, but their stores still pay local taxes on their income, they still pay rent, hire sales people, and order from the same distributors. Now let's say you order from Amazon because it's $10 cheaper. That money leaves the local community, but $10 stays ... you're $10 wealthier. The local bookstore has terrible selection and is expensive... it goes out of business. Meanwhile you've got a local farmer's market and you shop there with the extra $10 you have. That's wealth creation: you have the same goods (a book) plus more money ($10) to buy other goods (fresh food). If this is the general trend, the Farmer's Market garners that much more business, expands, and replaces the local book shop's place in the community--the community demand for a farmer's market was higher than a local bookstore, the community is now wealthier.

    The problem is that the local bookstore doesn't have to be crap to go out of business, and why does someone who decides to save $10 by buying from amazon decide to shop at a farmer's market (less convenient, can be more expensive) instead of a grocery store? I know you have a good point about what makes the community wealthier, but there are advantages to having retail stores in your area beyond price and selection - I like having a downtown to stroll around and look at things in shops, and I know I'm not alone - I don't want to see a bunch of failing businesses with scary homeless people begging for change (this is the way it's headed) with the "normal" people isolated in their suburban house getting goods shipped to the house.

  9. Faster? by iiii · · Score: 2

    ...thousands of times faster than current state-of-the-art copper and optical networks...

    Nope. Electrons and photons still moving at the speed of light, which is relatively constant. (c what I did there?!?)

    Ok, mostly I'm just being a smart ass. This may improve throughput and/or latency. But our chips are running into constraints due to the fact that the electrons can only go so far in on clock cycle. The stuff is cool, but it's not going to fix those problems.

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    1. Re:Faster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Electrons don't move at the speed of light. The electric field generated by moving electrons propagates at the speed of light. In other words, when an electron starts moving at one end of a wire, the electric field propagates down the wire at the speed of light and starts the electrons at the other end moving.

  10. Re:Fast, Cheap n' Frigid by dcollins · · Score: 2

    "In all cases, something else will replace a failed business--it always does."

    Now, that's just flat-out religious belief. Places like Detroit or other pure ghost towns serve as counterexamples.

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