Own Every SNES Game Ever Made For $24,999

These belong in a museum! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 11:30 · Score: 5, Insightful

These belong in a public museum, not some private collection. I hope that somebody who is rich and who appreciates video games makes the purchase, and donates them to the Smithsonian or some other reputable museum so that they can be publicly displayed for all to see and to experience.

Re:These belong in a museum! by UltraZelda64 · 2012-12-10 11:33 · Score: 5, Insightful

As a gamer, I actually strongly agree on this... they should be taken care of, preserved, ba a part of a museum. That's lots of history he's selling.
BSNES is awesome, by the way.
Re:These belong in a museum! by yurtinus · 2012-12-10 12:05 · Score: 1

Don't forget - many museums contain a great deal of items on loan from private collections.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by icebraining · 2012-12-10 12:16 · Score: 1

Only if you bought them to make a great emulator like BSNES.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by Hatta · 2012-12-10 12:20 · Score: 4, Insightful

There are plenty of extant copies of any of these vintage (not even antique) consumer goods. I agree that these are as culturally important as anything else in an art museum, but this sale doesn't in any way hinder industry.
Besides, even if you ignore these games entirely, byuu has done far more than $25,000 worth of work preserving these games. Bsnes is arguably not just the best snes emulator but the most accurate emulator ever, which is likely to survive much longer than the cardboard, plastic and silicon being sold.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by Lumpy · 2012-12-10 12:24 · Score: 2, Insightful

No.
They belong as roms on the internet for people to pay. It is utter Bullshit they are locked up and hidden because of incredibly stupid laws and insanely selfish and greedy people.
The man needs to let someone carefully read every single rom and put them up on the net so that future generations can enjoy each one. It would hurt nobody in any way possible, I dont care what some scumbag lawyer says.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:26 · Score: 5, Insightful

The thing I disliked most was the way emulated images do not come with any box art or instruction manuals. That was always part of the fun as a kid for me.

Ironically, you can consider my effort to be undermining the very value of owning the set: I've scanned all of this stuff in at high resolution so it'll be available long after the games are gone. That's why I bought them in the first place. I'm only selling them so I can buy more games from other regions to do the same.
Re:These belong in a museum! by Hatta · 2012-12-10 12:32 · Score: 1

Please do. Do you have a ZX spectrum?

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Re:These belong in a museum! by spazdor · 2012-12-10 12:37 · Score: 1

For the same reason that the original Declaration of Independence is in a museum even though you can read its full text just as easily from any of thousands of other sources.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 12:39 · Score: 1

These don't "belong" anywhere. It would be cool to see the games in a museum, but as a collector myself I can understand why someone might want to buy them for a private collection. Nothing wrong with that.
Re:These belong in a museum! by spazdor · 2012-12-10 12:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

You're doing God's work, Byuu.
I mean, that's a cutely hyperbolic and very Internet thing to say, but seriously, kudos. It may otherwise become impossible to find the material which you are preserving for us.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by BenoitRen · 2012-12-10 12:43 · Score: 1

What about the missing instruction manuals? Were they unfindable?
Re:These belong in a museum! by LordLucless · 2012-12-10 13:00 · Score: 3, Insightful

So do you, Doctor Jones, so do you.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by UltraZelda64 · 2012-12-10 13:06 · Score: 1

Before reading the linked pages, I was actually worried that you were giving up on emulation/BSNES. Good to see that you're not only not giving up on it, but actually doing this as a way of preserving a part of gaming history. That's definitely a good thing.
Re:These belong in a museum! by byuu · 2012-12-10 13:09 · Score: 5, Informative

About a dozen were unfindable, I had to trade three of mine to get unfindable boxes, too. The rest were unaffordable. I completely maxed out my 401K loan, and my savings are empty. I can't continue buying until this set sells. Otherwise I would have loved to have listed it as a 100% CIB set. Probably could have made 50K just from some rich person not wanting to spend a decade searching. Note: only one person in the world is known to have a 100% CIB US set, DreamTR.
Re:These belong in a museum! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 13:09 · Score: 5, Insightful

If you give them to the Smithsonian, they're going in storage. They've only got so much display space. But they would likely be well preserved.
Re:These belong in a museum! by twocows · 2012-12-10 13:12 · Score: 1

That's absolutely fantastic. I was about to say that I think there's no problem as long as all the stuff's archived.

Also, your emulator is really great; I love it. Far better than the alternatives for SNES, and with one or two exceptions, it's the best emulator for every system it supports (at least that I've tried).
Re:These belong in a museum! by byuu · 2012-12-10 13:13 · Score: 5, Informative

I agree with you completely. Read up on what Rufus Pollock, a Harvard professor found after doing research on copyright. The optimal length is 14 years, of which all SNES games have passed. Anything longer is corporate greed.

As far as letting someone read them, that is exactly why I bought them in the first place. I read every one by hand with my own custom hardware (here is a picture of my setup.) This allowed me to image the entire function of the PCB, not just the ROMs like current dumps. I also scanned every box, cartridge and PCB. I then put up all the information in my online database here. I can't distribute the ROM images for legal reasons, but by comparing my SHA256 hashes to yours, you can verify your ROMs are legitimate and unmodified, clean dumps.
Re:These belong in a museum! by rolfwind · 2012-12-10 14:28 · Score: 4, Insightful

These belong in a public museum, not some private collection. I hope that somebody who is rich and who appreciates video games makes the purchase, and donates them to the Smithsonian or some other reputable museum so that they can be publicly displayed for all to see and to experience.
Museums are for conservations of material goods. Libraries are better to spread ideas in whatever form they come in.
Museums are not lacking in material, I can assure you. Smithsonian only displays a tiny, tiny fraction of its inventory at any one time, and a smaller amount on tour somewhere, much of it is in warehouses, many never to see the light of day in my lifetime for want of display space. Many people I know who donated anything from their great-great-....grandfather's civil war canteen to their grandfather's US Army uniform to a local Museum often were shocked to see that stuff put up for auction from same museum. Because the museum preferred the money for budget/projects rather than common to even somewhat rare (but not especially valuable) items. It's even known some curators of smaller museums that even deal in/steal/pilfer goods and replace them with copies.
Maybe, sometime, somewhere a super nintendo with a super mario cartridge belongs in a museum somewhere. But certainly not the whole collection. It's just going to collect dust and not going to introduce more people to the joys of that era. Private collectors would be great to care for that.
That makes about as much sense as giving books to a museum to spread ideas. That's where a library is more appropriate. If you really want to get that, you would call for liberalizing copyright law. Tie it to patent length or something and only keep trademarks as ongoing. That way it would be legal to have the entire library up and served on the internet for generations to come and have people actually play them, if they so chose.
I don't think it's going to be much of an experience in 100 years to go to a museum, and look at video game and dvd titles, that you may play for 5 minutes because of a line or see for 5 minutes in some demo. That would surely be a stunted experience.
Re:These belong in a museum! by able1234au · 2012-12-10 14:29 · Score: 1

None of that new fangled stuff... it will never catch on.
Re:These belong in a museum! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 14:33 · Score: 1

I wouldn't post a confession of illegal behavior online.
That's like selling a 20k album cd collection and telling the world "it's ok, I ripped them to mp3."
Re:These belong in a museum! by tmosley · 2012-12-10 15:04 · Score: 1

Lots of children's toys in the Smithsonian, you anonymous moron.
Re:These belong in a museum! by RPGillespie · 2012-12-10 15:29 · Score: 2

Woah... Byuu's a slashdotter too! You're my hero. Someday, I'll make an ARM-optimized SNES emulator and you'll be my inspiration.
Re:These belong in a museum! by pantaril · 2012-12-10 23:32 · Score: 1

These belong in a public museum, not some private collection. I hope that somebody who is rich and who appreciates video games makes the purchase, and donates them to the Smithsonian or some other reputable museum so that they can be publicly displayed for all to see and to experience.
The physical goods should be surely in the care of some good museum, but the digital games should be in public domain for everyone to enjoy, not just for ultra rich people who are able to afford this overblown price.
Re:These belong in a museum! by wertigon · 2012-12-10 23:46 · Score: 2

It's not illegal to make a backup copy for fair use.
And I swear to god, should someone go after Byuu for taking on and finishing this monumental task, then I and many with me will pitch in the fundraiser to cover his attorney costs.
Next up, maybe the PAL set? :)

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Re:These belong in a museum! by jonwil · 2012-12-11 00:04 · Score: 1

Has there been any meaningful movement on making a SNES emulator that works more like say MAME where instead of a single ROM file you get a separate file for individual ROM chips and other data-holding devices in it and then some sort of description that links up the different chips (ROM, RAM, SRAM, co-processors, discrete parts etc) in the right way?
Re:These belong in a museum! by jones_supa · 2012-12-11 00:32 · Score: 3

Someday, I'll make an ARM-optimized SNES emulator and you'll be my inspiration.
Begin today.
Re:These belong in a museum! by jgtg32a · 2012-12-11 01:06 · Score: 1

Wasn't BSNES the one that achieved perfect emulation, what else is there to do?
Re:These belong in a museum! by DragonTHC · 2012-12-11 01:30 · Score: 1

They are something which can be very easily replaced.
They have no significance other than being the original package.
In the Boston Science museum, there sits a non-descript floppy disk with the Morris worm written on it. The disk isn't significant, what's on it is.
So, while they may look cool, there's no significance to a museum other than the software and box art.
And let's be honest, SNES games are nowhere near 'Smithsonian important'.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-11 02:25 · Score: 1

The problem is that all of those games were released within living memory, have nothing to do with the space program, are not terribly interesting to look at, and short of several other exhibits to include in a traveling "history of video games" display there's not much draw to them.
The Smithsonian would not put them on display. However reserving them for a time when displaying them might be relevant (or for research potential in the far future) may be valuable, and that is probably what the Smithsonian would do with a donation like this (assuming they don't politely decline)
Re:These belong in a museum! by ArcadeMan · 2012-12-11 02:32 · Score: 1

Thank you for doing this.
If it were up to the companies and supposedly legal owners of these games they would simply let them disappear without a trace, obliterating a part of human history just like they did with the first movies.
Funny how a single individual do a better job than international, multi-million companies.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by ArcadeMan · 2012-12-11 02:34 · Score: 1

Why begin today what you could have already started yesterday.

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Re:These belong in a museum! by mu51c10rd · 2012-12-11 03:41 · Score: 1

Now I envision a middle aged guy with a brown hat and whip swooping down during the auction to swipe the collection for some museum...
Re:These belong in a museum! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-11 03:54 · Score: 1

Except that once he sells them, he has to delete ALL of his backups. If he doesn't, that is a huge violation of copyright in the US. Now it could be that he doesn't care since he has all the metadata, but I would have first determined that actual roms exist for all the games copied.
Re:These belong in a museum! by SethJohnson · 2012-12-11 05:43 · Score: 1

Wasn't BSNES the one that achieved perfect emulation, what else is there to do?
The progress of computer hardware architecture and operating systems is steadily creating more work to do in order to maintain 'perfect emulation.'

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Re:These belong in a museum! by Richy_T · 2012-12-11 06:21 · Score: 1

When you see some of the hardware tricks they pulled to get things to perform back in those days, sometimes not. Consider timing tricks for changing screen modes in the middle of a screen update or similar.
Re:These belong in a museum! by kentfowl · 2012-12-11 10:39 · Score: 1

elitist museum nerd fight!
Re:These belong in a museum! by byuu · 2012-12-11 11:45 · Score: 2

That is exactly what I am doing now.

See my database here. Each game gets a manifest file that describes the board layout and each individual memory chip.

The difference between my approach and MAME's, is that my board descriptions are external to the emulator, and not bundled in an internal database. And I also store all the files inside a unique folder per game, rather than inside a ZIP archive per game. That approach lets me put save game data into the folders as well. The database I linked can generate the game folders from individual files.

Worth it... by WGFCrafty · 2012-12-10 11:32 · Score: 2

It's worth it just to play Boogerman.

Re:Worth it... by UltraZelda64 · 2012-12-10 11:45 · Score: 1

That game kicked ass.
Re:Worth it... by operagost · 2012-12-11 03:44 · Score: 1

That would be my pick as well.

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Angry wife by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 11:33 · Score: 1

SELL that crap or no sex!

Re:Angry wife by OffaMyLawn · 2012-12-11 02:24 · Score: 1

If I had the spare cash, I would buy this in a heartbeat. My favorite console system to date.
My wife would probably think I had completely lost my mind, but it would give me the opportunity to introduce my kids to a portion of my childhood that they probably don't care about, but damn it, that is part of my job as a parent, to annoy my children with annoying amounts of nostalgia!
Re:Angry wife by pnutjam · 2012-12-11 06:03 · Score: 1

wii + homebrew = fun game emulation with your kids.

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Meh by spire3661 · 2012-12-10 11:33 · Score: 3, Insightful

I have every SNES game ever made uploaded to my Google Drive.

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Re:Meh by TuxWithoutPants · 2012-12-10 13:42 · Score: 2

I have every SNES game ever made uploaded to my Google Drive.
For the good of all mankind, you need mirror sites right?
Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 13:44 · Score: 1

Without sharing? That's a bad pirate.
Re:Meh by BPPG · 2012-12-10 14:04 · Score: 4, Insightful

But you can't download an arcade where every game is 25 cents to play, not counting the many many gameovers that leave you needing more. You can't download that first gameboy your older cousin lent you for the week to play Dr. Mario over and over again just so you could beat his high score. You can't download the way it made you feel to finally get to the third stage of a boss that had kept illing you over and over before you knew how to time your attacks while avoiding theirs.
And twenty years from now, gamers from today won't be able to download the group dynamics of their MMO clan, won't be able to download the step by step evolution of Minecraft indev with it's back and forth between Notch and the smaller community. They won't be able to download all the achievements, trophies, ranks, and golden guns from their favorite FPSs. They won't be able to download the connection made between shiningly creative Little Big Planet level authors after wading through the seas of shoddily-made CoD clones and Mario levels.
I just recently got a smartphone capable of playing these old SNES games. I might download an emulator and play some games. But gaming on a touchscreen smartphone will never be the same as sitting on the carpet with my siblings, racing through the ghost levels on Super Mario Kart and figuring out exactly where to use my jumping feather to get an edge towards victory.

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Re:Meh by spire3661 · 2012-12-10 14:52 · Score: 2

No, but soon ill be able to deploy an internet connected mini arcade machine (picade.com) at mine and my nephews desk and we can play arcade Street Fighter II against each other over netplay. New times, new experiences, new avenues to rediscover old joys.

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Re:Meh by spire3661 · 2012-12-10 14:54 · Score: 1

correction on that link should be http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimoroni/picade-the-arcade-cabinet-kit-for-your-raspberry-p, im an idiot.

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One missing game... by supersat · 2012-12-10 11:35 · Score: 3, Informative

Super Star Fox Weekend (Official Competition). It was sold through Nintendo Power after the competition ended.

Re:One missing game... by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:35 · Score: 5, Informative

It's a licensed retail only set. Donkey Kong Country Competition was another game sold only after a Blockbuster competition. Mountain Bike Rally + Speed Racer was another game that was only sold by mail order for $200 after you bought a $4,000 exercise bike. Noah's Ark 3D was an unlicensed game sold in Christian book stores. MACS was a training game designed for use in the US military. Powerfest '94 and Campus Challenge '92 were produced for their respective competitions, and were supposed to be destroyed (two of each were not.) SNES tester decks existed only inside Nintendo repair centers. This can pretty much go on forever, so you have to draw the line somewhere. However, many can legitimately say it's not a complete set if their definition includes any of the above.

pedantic correction by Trepidity · 2012-12-10 11:35 · Score: 5, Informative

Slightly more restricted than "every SNES game", it's actually every regular-release SNES game sold at retail in the US, Canada, and/or Mexico. He bought them to improve the emulation quality of his emulator, bsnes.

He says he'll use the proceeds of this sale to purchase other SNES games he doesn't have, such as assembling the complete collection of games released in Europe.

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But Wait! There's more! by pkthunders · 2012-12-10 11:39 · Score: 3, Funny

We'll also throw in a free box of Twinkies! A $5000 value but yours free!

Re:But Wait! There's more! by Amouth · 2012-12-10 13:28 · Score: 1

So a funny thing about unwanted items, in the scrap steel industry, when buying/importing cars,containers, and things that have open cavities from Japan it is a common problem to find them stuffed with garbage.

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Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 11:42 · Score: 4, Funny

Holy crap

someone didn't take their meds today...

$24,999? by plover · 2012-12-10 11:47 · Score: 2

I guess asking for $25,000 seemed ridiculous?

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Re:$24,999? by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:29 · Score: 1

And it's yours for under $60!
Re:$24,999? by qbel · 2012-12-10 13:33 · Score: 1

I can't believe there were only 721 games for SNES. I would have guessed that it was... OVER 9000
Re:$24,999? by Applekid · 2012-12-11 04:52 · Score: 1

I can't believe there were only 721 games for SNES.
That sounds ridiculously small to me, too, considering the complete GBA collection went up to what, 4000-something (combined from all regions but that's a minor quibble)?

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Shipping kills the deal by ninjackn · 2012-12-10 11:52 · Score: 1

Shipping via free local pick up only. Looks like I'll have to pass. There's also the issue of me not having $25k to spend on 721 SNES titles but the shipping clearly is the bigger problem since I don't live in Ohio.

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Re:Shipping kills the deal by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:39 · Score: 3, Informative

Summary states that I will freight ship the collection. It will cost about $400 to do this in the US, and a small fortune internationally.

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by Tastecicles · 2012-12-10 11:55 · Score: 1

yeah, just a bit, I was waiting for someone else to pick up on it...

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Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by Andy+Prough · 2012-12-10 11:55 · Score: 1

I don't really see what's so "holy" about it. You're getting awful religious - their just video games.

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by Nyder · 2012-12-10 11:57 · Score: 1

He says he's dumped them all (made copies), and now is looking to sell them. Doesn't anyone see the legal issue here?

No.

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Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by Zalbik · 2012-12-10 12:10 · Score: 5, Funny

this is Slashdot. Stupidity is not tolerated here

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Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by The+Grim+Reefer · 2012-12-10 12:13 · Score: 2, Funny

this is Slashdot. Stupidity is not tolerated here,

You must be new here.

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · 2012-12-10 12:14 · Score: 5, Informative

He says he's dumped them all (made copies), and now is looking to sell them. Doesn't anyone see the legal issue here?

Legal issue, yes. Ethical issue, no.

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Every game ... but WHY? by DavidClarkeHR · 2012-12-10 12:20 · Score: 1

I have every SNES game ever made uploaded to my Google Drive.

The SNES has a lot of good games, and some absolutely AWESOME ones.

Fortunately, I don't need to play Bubsy II to know it is a terrible game, and I certainly don't need to play it. Same goes for Super 3D Noah’s Ark, and I'm going to guess it applies to many of the other titles here.

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Re:Every game ... but WHY? by Hatta · 2012-12-10 12:28 · Score: 2

It's easier to deal with full sets so you're sure you have something when you want to play it than it is to assemble a "best of" collection. They're only a meg or two a piece. And there's always that day when you want to experience just how bad some of the bad games really are. It helps you appreciate the good games more.

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eBay link by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:22 · Score: 5, Interesting

[ eBay Link to auction ]

I am probably underselling myself here, but I would likely accept the first serious offer for $20K or above.

That may seem like a lot, but if you do completed auction searches on eBay, you will see that the top dozen or so games (EarthBound, Hagane, Harvest Moon, Incantation, Aero Fighters, 3 Ninjas Kick Back, Metal Warriors, Mega Man X3, ...) routinely sell for $400-1000 a piece when complete in box. The next four dozen easily command $100-350. That leaves you with about $5 per complete in box game for the rest, in a market where the prices have continued to rise steadily for the past several years.

Re:eBay link by adisakp · 2012-12-10 13:03 · Score: 4, Insightful

Have you thought about an Indiegogo campaign or Kickstarter to fund your effort for European and Japanese cartridges?

Crowd-funding of projects is hot right now and it might be easier to find thousands of people who think your efforts are worth $10 to them than to find a single person willing to part with $25,000 for old game cartridges.
Re:eBay link by Cammi · 2012-12-10 13:14 · Score: 1

It looks like you linked to the wrong eBay auction? That one does not contain complete set of every North American Super Nintendo (SNES) game ever released.
Re:eBay link by minijedimaster · 2012-12-10 13:18 · Score: 1

Well, good luck sir. I hope your collection finds a good home.
Re:eBay link by byuu · 2012-12-10 13:28 · Score: 3, Interesting

Willing to try it I suppose. A lot of the trouble is finding the games in the first place. For that, I am going to need people in Europe and Japan who can scour game shops, build up small bundles and ship them internationally all at once. Many of them will be very, very hard to find at all.
Re:eBay link by tepples · 2012-12-10 13:51 · Score: 1

Which retail game carrying the Official Nintendo Seal is missing?
Re:eBay link by adisakp · 2012-12-10 14:03 · Score: 2

Well, for what it's worth, both Kickstarter and Indiegogo let you build up a list of people interested in your projects and send them updates on your project's status. You could send e-mails specifying cartridges you need to your entire list of funders and as long as you don't do it to often (i.e. less than once a month) people probably won't find it intrusive.
Re:eBay link by byuu · 2012-12-10 15:18 · Score: 1

Not really at the moment, but thanks for the offer. I often post on board.byuu.org about which games I need for the current set being built; I'll probably have a list up after the US set sells. Any help finding missing games from anyone would be appreciated, and I would of course pay for them.
Re:eBay link by byuu · 2012-12-10 15:25 · Score: 4, Informative

Per the auction details, "All 721 games sold at retail in the United States, Canada and Mexico are included. What is *not* included is any not-for-resale, unreleased, and unlicensed games."

That statement is factual. I ran out of space in the title to add the latter part, but it's at the very top of the auction details. Missing games are Mountain Bike Rally+Speed Racer (mail order only), Donkey Kong Country Competition (some Blockbusters sold their competition carts instead of destroying them), Star Fox Super Weekend (Nintendo Power sold off its surplus by mail order), Noah's Ark 3D (unlicensed game sold in Christian book stores), MACS (only used by the US military, never sold and the only copies remaining are stolen from the US government), Campus Challenge '92 (destroyed after competition, only two survived), Powerfest '94 (same thing as Campus Challenge '92), and various hardware testing carts (used by Nintendo repair centers.)

Everyone has their own opinion of what comprises a complete set. Some people further insist on having every revision of every game, and every alternate box art and manual printing. Some people include prototypes (where it's impossible to own all of those), on and on. You are welcome to your opinion that this isn't a complete set per your definition. It is per the definition I am going by.
Re:eBay link by musikit · 2012-12-10 23:46 · Score: 1

I can help some (not a lot but some). living in Chiba Japan right now. approx. 30 mins from akihabara. the stores there i see with old snes carts dont have boxes but if your looking for a title i wouldnt mind going down there to look for it.
hit me up at email address. i use gmail with my username.
Re:eBay link by mythosaz · 2012-12-11 07:22 · Score: 1

I'm sure the list is long, but how MANY of the 721 NA retail games have multiple retail versions?
Re:eBay link by bziman · 2012-12-12 07:03 · Score: 1

byuu, I'm sure you've got a million replies, but I wanted to add one more "thank you".

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by I+Mean,+What · 2012-12-10 12:23 · Score: 1

So, what you're saying is, nobody at Nintendo will care...

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by Em+Adespoton · 2012-12-10 12:24 · Score: 3, Informative

He says he's dumped them all (made copies), and now is looking to sell them. Doesn't anyone see the legal issue here?

Depends on where he lives; this is perfectly legal in some places, but not the US. In many countries it's kosher to make a copy and sell the original. The trick is that you can't sell or distribute the copy -- personal use only.

Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by Lumpy · 2012-12-10 12:25 · Score: 1

This was posted by the GP in an attempt to make it look like he has friends.

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Re:Cleaned? by Em+Adespoton · 2012-12-10 12:26 · Score: 1

...and every game has been professionally cleaned...

**Random dude blows dust off of cartridge contacts.

"Cleaned. That will be twenty bucks."

That's a LOT of hot air.

Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by Andy+Prough · 2012-12-10 12:27 · Score: 1

this is Slashdot. Stupidity is not tolerated here

...and just like that a new slogan is born...

Cloud cakes by tepples · 2012-12-10 12:31 · Score: 1

After Hostess went under, I decided to download my Twinkies from the cloud.

Re:Uh? by TapeCutter · 2012-12-10 12:33 · Score: 1

Don't people sell everything they own before they kill themselves?

No, that would indicate they still think there is something worth living for.

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Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:37 · Score: 4, Informative

I haven't distributed any of the images, only SHA256 checksums (here), and I promise that I'll delete all the ROMs as soon as the set sells ;)

Re:Cleaned? by byuu · 2012-12-10 12:41 · Score: 4, Informative

The PCB contacts were scrubbed with sodium hydroxide (to remove oxidation) and isopropyl alcohol (to remove residue.) Took about five minutes per cart. Which is about 60 hours of labor. Not a whole lot, it just ensures that every game will turn on with your very first try, and you won't dirty up your SNES connector on these carts.

their just video games by spazdor · 2012-12-10 12:44 · Score: 1

Whose just video games are they?

Whoever they are, do they also have some unjust video games?

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Only $24,999? by Slyfox696 · 2012-12-10 12:55 · Score: 1

I think it's funny how this is listed at $24,999, as if someone is going to say "Well, $25,000 is simply too much, take a dollar off and I'll consider it". :-)

Otherwise, this is pretty cool stuff. If I had the money, I'd be on this immediately, even though I never played SNES. And yes, I'm aware that most people here are probably saying the same thing. I just wanted to be clear I wasn't being an ass about the price tag.

Re:Only $24,999? by DreamMaster · 2012-12-10 13:20 · Score: 1

I think it's funny how this is listed at $24,999, as if someone is going to say "Well, $25,000 is simply too much, take a dollar off and I'll consider it". :-)
Why not? It works. There's a reason why prices everywhere are always ending in '.95', or '.99' in countries that still have cents. Even if only subconsciously, it makes a difference to people's perception of the cost. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing
Re:Only $24,999? by mr_gorkajuice · 2012-12-11 02:52 · Score: 1

It works.
Oh really? From your link:

The theory of psychological pricing is controversial. Some studies show that buyers, even young children, have a very sophisticated understanding of true cost and relative value and that, to the limits of the accuracy of the test, they behave rationally. Other researchers claim that this ignores the non-rational nature of the phenomenon and that acceptance of the theory requires belief in a subconscious level of thought processes, a belief that economic models tend to deny or ignore. Research using results from modern scanner data is mixed.
Re:Only $24,999? by Slyfox696 · 2012-12-11 07:21 · Score: 1

I understand the thinking on the difference of $4.95 and $5, or even the difference in gas being $3.0999 instead of $3.10.

But we're talking about $25,000 dollars. Those who have the money to spend that much probably aren't all that concerned about $1. I just found it funny.

Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by thomasw_lrd · 2012-12-10 13:07 · Score: 1

The real question is

Is he going to delete all his roms now that he no longer owns the cartridges?

How long until the *IAA comes after him for illegal copies of roms.

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Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by mysidia · 2012-12-10 13:34 · Score: 1

He says he's dumped them all (made copies), and now is looking to sell them. Doesn't anyone see the legal issue here?

It's likely fair use, because it's a personal copy, for use in testing/refining his coding that emulates a SNES and interoperates with the software, and doesn't impact the commercial value of the product, as it's not for sale anymore -- and he's not consuming the content.

Declaration of Independence... by Andy+Prough · 2012-12-10 13:36 · Score: 1

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving THEIR JUST VIDEO GAMES from the consent of the governed"

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by mysidia · 2012-12-10 13:37 · Score: 1

Think possibly you could archive them up, instead, and seal them in a manner, that the package won't be opened by anyone, except in a hundred years or so, when the copyright expires? :)

Lyeing to us all by tepples · 2012-12-10 13:49 · Score: 5, Funny

The PCB contacts were scrubbed with sodium hydroxide (to remove oxidation)

That's a lye, and you know it.

Obsolescence by H3xx · 2012-12-10 14:02 · Score: 1

Or a single Pirate Bay download...

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You have time for bad gaming? by DavidClarkeHR · 2012-12-10 14:04 · Score: 1

And there's always that day when you want to experience just how bad some of the bad games really are. It helps you appreciate the good games more.

Unless you're writing a "Worst of..." article, or using an older game to show a good example of a fail, why are you playing bad games? Life is too short to waste on bad games. Besides, you don't need the SNES to experience them, just play any game on facebook.

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Re:You have time for bad gaming? by Rakarra · 2012-12-10 14:21 · Score: 1

why are you playing bad games?
The same reason you play any game: entertainment.
I think his point was that there are so many -good- games out there that there's not enough time to enjoy them. Why waste the time with bad games? I don't think they have the same "so bad it's good" value as some bad movies do. Bad games are just frustrating.
Re:You have time for bad gaming? by spire3661 · 2012-12-10 14:47 · Score: 1

The great thing about emulators is that you can blunt the harder parts of almost any game if needed. For example, the NES emulator i use on DS has a rewind time button mapped to a shoulder button, its fantastic. Add in save states, game genie code and any game can be looked at painlessly for nostalgia, just like we can use Fast Forward to skip stupid parts of bad movies.

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Re:You have time for bad gaming? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 15:19 · Score: 1

The great thing about emulators is that you can blunt the harder parts of almost any game if needed. For example, the NES emulator i use on DS has a rewind time button mapped to a shoulder button, its fantastic. Add in save states, game genie code and any game can be looked at painlessly for nostalgia, just like we can use Fast Forward to skip stupid parts of bad movies.
Wait, when did HARD == Bad?
Re:You have time for bad gaming? by Hatta · 2012-12-11 02:35 · Score: 1

Yeah, just like I have time for MST3K and Weird Al. It amuses me. Not every moment of your life has to be spent in the persuit of perfection. Besides, some of these games have some interesting ideas, even if they're poorly executed.

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Re:You have time for bad gaming? by Applekid · 2012-12-11 04:55 · Score: 1

why are you playing bad games?
The same reason you play any game: entertainment.
I think his point was that there are so many -good- games out there that there's not enough time to enjoy them. Why waste the time with bad games? I don't think they have the same "so bad it's good" value as some bad movies do. Bad games are just frustrating.
Bad games can be entertaining in different ways, like for purposes of study. For example, what is it about Wizard of Oz that makes it a bad game? If you don't play it, you don't know. Angry Nintendo Nerd did an overview of it so I guess you don't have to play THAT one. But it's definitely worth looking into what works and what doesn't work in gaming, if you're a fan at all.

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Re:Cleaned? by Rakarra · 2012-12-10 14:26 · Score: 2

The PCB contacts were scrubbed with sodium hydroxide (to remove oxidation) and isopropyl alcohol (to remove residue.) Took about five minutes per cart. Which is about 60 hours of labor. Not a whole lot, it just ensures that every game will turn on with your very first try, and you won't dirty up your SNES connector on these carts.

Not that I have the money to purchase this set, but would you have any recommendations for cleaning the inside connections of an SNES as well? Is that necessary, or are you likely to further damage/corrode the connections? I realize that since cartridges are external they're more likely to pick up dust and moisture, but I imagine after 20 years the inside of my SNES could probably use some work too.

Re:ROMs by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 14:42 · Score: 4, Interesting

I hope you have to write software to deal with other people's legacy crap some day, so you can know how it feels to be continuously cut up by hacks that have become standard practice before you.

FYI, cartridge folders will not be required for a later version of higan/bsnes. The intention was not to make it difficult to use ROM files, just to get ROM loading hacks out of the emulator. In the next version, in fact, you will be able to load .sfc files without problem.

And if you're going to complain about having to have your ROMs in an extension that makes more sense, that's your prerogative. Likewise if you insist on having a 512 byte header that is not actually part of the ROM nor any standard that contains no useful information. But don't go around preaching because people aren't doing things your way. Just because your 15 year old emulator supports it does not mean it is a good thing to support.

If renaming a file is too much work for SNES emulation, you clearly don't give a fuck about quality in your software. Go grab an old copy of ZSNES, a juice box and get back to those Super Mario World rom hacks.

Re:ROMs by byuu · 2012-12-10 14:47 · Score: 1

Sounds like I have a fan! :D

Re:Cleaned? by byuu · 2012-12-10 15:14 · Score: 3, Informative

Cleaning that is much harder, since it's a card edge connector.

You'll want isopropyl alcohol and something like DeoxIt to remove/prevent any oxidization. You need something of equivalent thickness to the original PCBs that went into the connector with cotton on the outside. Apply your cleaner, and make sure to only insert it vertically. Move to the sides and you can bend the pins. Make sure the system dries completely before powering it on.

Would also suggest you Google edge connector cleaner for alternate methods. Quite a few people have tricks for it involving erasers and such.

Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-10 22:57 · Score: 1

It would be Nintendo that would come after him. Given their history I can definitely see this happening. If I were byuu I would be hiding my illegal activities (simply not tie my meat-space identity to my rom collection) but I can only respect his courage and agree half-way agree with his opinion on copyright (I would reject an economically optimal 14 years in favour of an ethically optimal 0 year term).

Good luck with your work byuu.

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by pantaril · 2012-12-10 23:54 · Score: 3, Insightful

I promise that I'll delete all the ROMs as soon as the set sells

Please don't do this. It took certainly great effort to make proper dump of each game you have. Don't let this effort go to waste due to some idiotic laws and rather then deleting the ROMs, share then via some p2p network like bittorrent - http://thepiratebay.se/
There are certainly people who will help you to share your roms anonymously, if you are afraid to share them yourself.

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by jones_supa · 2012-12-11 00:46 · Score: 1

Exactly.

Re:Only 712 games?! by jones_supa · 2012-12-11 00:55 · Score: 1

Remember, byuu also scanned the cover art and manuals.

14 years with a 14 year extension, and I'd agree to maybe one or two more if the owner of the copyright really wants to keep it. I bet the makers of half those games don't exist or even care about their copyright on these old games anymore and wouldn't have renewed, so they should be public domain by now.

Here's how by j2.718ff · 2012-12-11 03:45 · Score: 1

1. Find a museum willing to house this collection
2. Start a fund raiser on the museum's behalf to raise the asking price of the collection.
3. Win: the original collector gets compensated for his collection, the and the collection gets preserved in a museum.

Re:Hum, emulators here to stay by pnutjam · 2012-12-11 06:19 · Score: 1

will bsnes play spy vs spy, I can never get that rom to work.

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Re:HOLY FUCK! HOLY HOLY HOLY FUCK! NO SHIT! by geminidomino · 2012-12-11 06:25 · Score: 1

Shtarker, zis is SLASHDOT! Ve do not DERP here!!!

As long as it has... by Iniamyen · 2012-12-11 06:36 · Score: 1

Super Ghouls n Ghosts. Damn that game was awesome? Anybody ever beat it though?

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by wonkey_monkey · 2012-12-11 20:15 · Score: 1

Ethical issue, no.

Oh, hey, everyone, it's the guy who decides what's ethical or not! We have a few questions...

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Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by wonkey_monkey · 2012-12-11 20:16 · Score: 1

It's likely fair use

Well, that'd be nice, but I think you're living in a land of make-believe filled with pixies and fairies and frogs with magic hats.

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Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by robsku · 2012-12-12 02:09 · Score: 1

Depends on where this guy lives?

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Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by robsku · 2012-12-12 02:12 · Score: 1

The question was if anyone *sees* a problem or not - obviously GP was implying *he/she* doesn't *see* an ethical problem with this.

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Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by mysidia · 2012-12-12 14:06 · Score: 1

Well, that'd be nice, but I think you're living in a land of make-believe filled with pixies and fairies and frogs with magic hats.

I might concede your point, if you had actually backed it up with rational argument. Are you a lawyer?

I am not suggesting he could plead the insanity defense, but the fair use defense, in case he were sued.

Mere possession of a lawfully created copy is not infringement.

Re:Um, he admits he's breaking the law by wonkey_monkey · 2012-12-12 20:47 · Score: 1

Mere possession of a lawfully created copy is not infringement.

What about this?

S&A Group were the vendors of a cart dumper called the "PROM Blaster" for Atari 2600 videogames ... The archival exception for computer software did not apply to programs stored within permanent storage media (in this case a videogame cartridge) because these forms of media are not subject to the sort of risks that the archival clause was designed to guard against. As a result, the court ruled that dumping a videogame cartridge for archival purposes is not covered by the archival clause of copyright law.

And that's without considering the fact that the guy is selling the original ROMs.

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