Slashdot Mirror


Earth Avoids Collisions With Pair of Asteroids

Hugh Pickens writes "According to NASA, a pair of asteroids — one just over three miles wide — passed Earth Tuesday and early Wednesday, avoiding a potentially cataclysmic impact with our home planet. 2012 XE5, estimated at 50-165 feet across, was discovered just days earlier, missing our planet by only 139,500 miles, or slightly more than half the distance to the moon. 4179 Toutatis, just over three miles wide, put on an amazing show for astronomers early Wednesday, missing Earth by 18 lunar lengths, while allowing scientists to observe the massive asteroid in detail. Asteroid Toutatis is well known to astronomers. It passes by Earth's orbit every four years and astronomers say its unique orbit means it is unlikely to impact Earth for at least 600 years. It is one of the largest known potentially hazardous asteroids, and its orbit is inclined less than half-a-degree from Earth's. 'We already know that Toutatis will not hit Earth for hundreds of years,' says Lance Benner of NASA's Near Earth Object Program. 'These new observations will allow us to predict the asteroid's trajectory even farther into the future.' Toutatis would inflict devastating damage if it slammed into Earth, perhaps extinguishing human civilization. The asteroid thought to have killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago was about 6 miles wide, researchers say. The fact that 2012 XE5 was discovered only a few days before the encounter prompted Minnesota Public Radio to poll its listeners with the following question: If an asteroid were to strike Earth within an hour, would you want to know?"

20 of 256 comments (clear)

  1. What did we do, the Lambada? by mellon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know writing headlines is hard, but this one seems to imply that earth took evasive action. The less exciting "earth does not collide with pair of asteroids" would be a touch less misleading.

    1. Re:What did we do, the Lambada? by mug+funky · · Score: 4, Funny

      barrel roll.

    2. Re:What did we do, the Lambada? by Natales · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whatever flashy headline was used to attract readers to the fact that there are potentially *a lot* of undetected large objects that could wipe us out was worth it. I mean, this is serious shit, and we are NOT taking it seriously enough. Believing we have it covered or it won't happen for 600 years is not good enough. Even Stephen Hawkins has brought this up before. We are seating ducks unless we "diversify our investments", meaning going out there and colonize other planets. It took millions of years and many extinction cycles to get us where we are as an intelligent species, and now we have to think big to survive. Honestly, I'd expect this crowd in Slashdot to really understand the implications. This issue needs to be at least high-er in the priority list of what we spend money in.

    3. Re:What did we do, the Lambada? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      we are NOT taking it seriously enough.

      Actually, we are. A 50-165 foot asteroid can sneak up on us, but that isn't going to do much. It has less energy than the 9.0 Fukushima Earthquake, which killed ~10,000 people. If you count up all the people that die everywhere on Earth, that is about two hours worth of deaths. It just isn't worth worrying about anything that small. For big ELE asteroids, we have those tracked well enough that we would likely have years of warning, more than enough time to interdict.

      We are seating ducks unless we "diversify our investments", meaning going out there and colonize other planets.

      Once we get off this rock, the dumbest thing we could do is establish colonies in another planet's gravity well. It would be much smarter to build the colonies on ... near earth asteroids. We could even use some nukes to brake one of them enough to bring it into Earth orbit. Then we could disassemble it and use it as raw material to construct O'Neill Cylinders. An asteroid three miles in diameter could provide about 50 billion tons of iron that could be forged into structural steel using focused sunlight.

    4. Re:What did we do, the Lambada? by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whatever flashy headline was used to attract readers to the fact that there are potentially *a lot* of undetected large objects that could wipe us out was worth it.

      Well, no. We've been looking pretty closely at the skies for a while now, and the odds that there is an undetected object large enough to threaten extinction are now pretty low. It's the one's in the "oh, crap, we hope this doesn't hit a populated area" that are a problem, but they're pretty rare objects and even rarer events. Such flashy headlines mostly serve to excite the excitable and panic those easily panicked and those who really don't understand the situation at all. The popular press has significantly overstated the threat.
       

      I mean, this is serious shit, and we are NOT taking it seriously enough. We are seating ducks unless we "diversify our investments", meaning going out there and colonize other planets.

      We, as a species, are taking in about as seriously as we can. We're looking for and cataloging the objects and predicting their tracks, and that's about the best we can do for the near future.
       
      Absent a Manhattan or Apollo level project, we simply can't usefully colonize other planets. With such "waste anything but time"/"near blank check" level projects, we're a century or more away from being able to do so - there's simply too many "unknown unknowns" in creating a colony or system of colonies that can survive if the Earth is wiped out. The odds are far too low to justify to cost.
       

      Honestly, I'd expect this crowd in Slashdot to really understand the implications.

      Understanding the implications is one thing - objectively understanding the overall issues is another.

  2. Re:If an asteroid were to strike Earth within an h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    And that is diffrent than any other friday, how?

  3. Fearmongering much? by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess "Asteroid Misses Earth, Just Like It's Done Every 4 Years For Millennia" just wasn't catchy enough

    --
    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
  4. Surprising number by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the last 20 years there have been quite a few of these objects passing within the orbit of the moon, prior to that there were few announcements and it's debatable how many were actually tracked. A disturbing number have been found within days as passing and a few were found after they passed. Just looking at the numbers I'd place the odds at high of an impact. We're coming up on a hundred year anniversary of Tunguska so I'd say we're due for a similar impact any day now. It could be tomorrow or a hundred years from now but statistically we're due now. We aren't talking end of the world because most of the world was only affected by the dust of the last major impact and the odds of one hitting a major city are similar to winning the lottery. Unfortunately the odds are high of an ocean impact and that could be worse than a land impact. Very few of these objects are being tracked in the northern hemisphere and virtually none in the lower hemisphere, I can't remember but I think it's a few percent for the south. We spend trillions on defending against Arab rednecks and a few million a year on tracking near Earth Objects. Our priorities are sadly are on the wrong threats.

    1. Re:Surprising number by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Informative

      No he's not wrong. You don't understand statistics and probability.

      An ordinary coin has a 50% chance of landing heads.

      If I toss it, and it lands tails. The next time it is no more likely to land heads. It's still 50%.

      If I toss it 3 times and it lands on tails each time, the next time it's still 50% chance it'll land on heads.

      If I toss it 100 times and every single time it lands on tails, guess what the probability of it landing on heads the next time is? Yup, it's still 50%.

      They are independent events. The coin has no memory.

      Likewise if there is an X% chance of a asteroid hitting the earth on and particular day, the fact that one has not hit the earth today does not in any way affect the chances of it hitting tomorrow.

      They are independent events. One asteroid doesn't know what another asteroid did or did not do yesterday.

      Likewise similar myths about choosing lottery numbers based on previous numbers are all wrong. Despite this, the mathematically ignorant nearly all think they are right.

      This bears on your pro-gun arguments. You don't understand statistics. You just google and copy from pro-gun sites, anything you think sounds like it supports guns, ignoring the ones that don't sound like they support guns. You have no basis on which to judge their veracity.

      You honestly think copying and pasting data for which you don't understand the stats will somehow progress your particular passion. It doesn't.

      And you don't even have the manners to attribute the source of your copy and pasting. Which lowers to point of engaging with you even more.

    2. Re:Surprising number by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're just digging yourself deeper.

      On Sunday you receive the following information: Uncle Bob will be dropping by this week.

      Unlike the coin or the asteroids or the lottery, Uncle Bob DOES have a memory, and he has specified a window in which he will appear. (dependent events vs independent events, and time constrained rather than probabilistic.)

      That you don't realise this isn't even the same class of problem shows you have even less understanding of prob and stats than was clear before.

      You use statistics the same way Creationists use it, not understanding the simple process of "selection".

      Selection? Related to the problem of asteroid hit probability? You *are* a moron.

      The game show/door problem is the classic Monty Hall problem. It DOES involve selection. Unlike asteroid hits. Again showing you don't understand the class of problem.

      If there is an event that is inevitable within a certain time frame, each day it doesn't happen chances are it will increase the following day.

      Repeating again, because you are a moron, asteroid strikes are not that kind of problem. There is no particular time frame in which a strike is inevitable. (And furthermore, unlike the problems you brought up, there is no limit to the number of strikes in any particular time frame.) Asteroid strikes are a pure probability per unit time problem.

      Again, this reflects on your pro-gun arguments, in that for example you are unable to differentiate between stiffness of gun control legislation stats, and guns per person stats.

      You try to pretend you are more intelligent than you are by googling and copy/pasting. It doesn't work. You have to actually understand the stuff Google finds.

      Have you never heard the maxim it's better for people to think you;re stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? You're parading your ignorance like you were walking around with your pants round your ankles.

  5. Wow! by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Earth's cat-like reflexes never fail to impress.

  6. Re:If an asteroid were to strike Earth within an h by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would definitely want to know. I would leave work, buy booze and party like there is no tomorrow.

    But there would almost certainly be a tomorrow. The asteroid was only 50-165 feet in diameter. That is about the estimated size of the Tunguska asteroid/comet, which killed zero people. Even if an asteroid that size hit the ocean or a major city, 99.9% of the people on Earth would survive.

    If we were hit by the bigger (three mile diameter) asteroid, it would only have 1/8th the energy of the Yucatan asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. Unlike the dinos, we have the ability to eat canned food and stored grain, so many if not most people would likely survive.

  7. 8 Days Early by wadeal · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not the 21st yet...

    1. Re:8 Days Early by mrbester · · Score: 4, Funny

      Be thankful for the rounding error.

      --
      "Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
  8. Asterix and Obelix by chthon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know that the Gauls in Asterix are only afraid of the sky falling on their head. And their favorite exclamation is 'By Toutatis!'.

    1. Re:Asterix and Obelix by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know that the Gauls in Asterix are only afraid of the sky falling on their head. And their favorite exclamation is 'By Toutatis!'.

      That's because Toutatis was a major Celtic god . The naming of the asteroid happened in 1989 i.e. after the Asterix books had been using it for a while.

      So the naming was presumably a deliberate reference to the Asterix books, or at the very least it used the same god as its basis.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  9. Re:would I want to know? by drkim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course! Time for a quick trip to the whorehouse, then a quicker trip to church to get saved.

    After what that priest did to me, I'm gonna have to pray with the hooker...

  10. Re:If an asteroid were to strike Earth within an h by thej1nx · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I suppose unlike the dinosaurs, we can also survive for a long long time without needing to breathe? Cretaceous atmosphere is supposed to have been much more oxygen rich(50% more apparently) based on QMS analysis of ancient air bubbles trapped in amber. The higher oxygen content plausibly explains the huge sizes attained by many species too(since the related metabolism could be supported back then). I suppose the said 99.9% of the people of earth will all evolve overnight to make do with 50% less oxygen again? How about no sunlight for years? Stored grains and canned food will support you for years, with crop failures?

    Also keep in mind, that all the dried dead plants from lack of sunlight will give rise to plenty of inflammable carbon fuel lying around. We are talking about a world wide wildfire. It is interesting how some people think of meteorite as something like a huge nuke, that will kill everything directly/instantly.

    Close calls like these do need to be made as sensational as possible, to remind people how important it is to not put all your eggs in one basket, and why cutting NASA's budget is like deciding to do away with life jackets on a ship, so as to "not waste money".

  11. Satellite fly-by to asteroid 4179 Toutatis by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    There will be a human-made satellite that will engage in a fly-by to asteroid 4179 Toutatis

    The satellite is China's Chang'e 2 and it will rendezvous with 4179 Toutatis.

    There are two conflicting reports of the rendezvous date -

    According to wikipedia the rendezvous date will be 13th December 2012 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4179_Toutatis

    According to another source - http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2012/20120614-change-2-toutatis.html - the rendezvous date will fall on 6th, January, 2013.

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  12. Tunguska? by abies · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, we are. A 50-165 foot asteroid can sneak up on us, but that isn't going to do much. It has less energy than the 9.0 Fukushima Earthquake, which killed ~10,000 people.

    And how much energy from earthquake goes into actual surface damage? I was under impression that vast majority of it is used to shake rocks up and down, which is quite different from releasing same energy in something similar to surface nuclear strike.

    I think we should be comparing it to Tunguska event rather than earthquakes. Imagine Tunguska happening over one of densly populated areas. I don't think that it would end up being 2-hours news.