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How Much Are You Worth To an Online Lead-Gen Site?
jfruh writes "You may remember the tale of the blogger who found that an infographic he'd put on his site was the front end of an SEO spam job. Well, he's since followed the money to figure out just who's behind this maneuver: the for-profit college industry. He discovered that the contact info of someone who expresses interest in online degree programs can be worth up to $250 to an industry with a particularly sleazy reputation."
That there is such a market for sleazy colleges at all should be a wake up call. I hope MOOCs will kill off all these "colleges" that are more reliable producers of debt than education.
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So online schools are hooking you up wih loan officers for easy-to-get loans to dump cash into their pockets and leavr you, most likely, without a degree, or if you get one, essentially worthless.
Nice.
The student loan bubble is still bubbling. Easy loans are (knowledge is power, folks) helping people get educations but also driving the cost increases the past two decades. They nickle-dime you each year because they can.
It's the same wih a car loan. No way you'd buy a $2000 car nav radio. But add $23/month to a payment? Sure!
So they add $23/monh to your college loan each year because they can.
Meanwhile politicians and administrators throw up their hands and say, "Doh! We don't know why!" If you don't, you should be fired.
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I'd sell my info and put it towards college. Since I'm already attending it would be legit!
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It's a big business, some of these degree lead gen firms employ hundreds of people and rake in millions of dollars.
But.. it might be sleazy, but in the end it's just marketing. However, some players in the market (not OnlineSchools.org) push the boundaries even further, and attract visitors to their sites with fake job offerings. When the visitor tries to apply for the job, then they get the hard sell for these for-profit universities. The job never materializes of course as the whole thing is a fraud in these instances, but consumer protection agencies aren't bothered.
Now, of course if those job offerings (or whatever bait is used) don't exist then it's fraud, because the lead gen company is getting something of value (you) by deception (a fake offer). Repeat that hundreds of thousands of times and you have a BIG fraud.. but with lots of individual victims who may not even realise that they have been scammed.
This was a really great submission and the other links within the TFA were interesting as well. I always had a wary eye cast towards the for-profit educational sector but I honestly had no idea that taxpayers were responsible for a significant amount of their profits. At one point, I was thinking about the University of Phoenix because I suspected that they were at least legitimate. Now, I'm glad I did not!
So you think the article is about small electronic light bulbs???
And you call *us* dumwads...
Physics is a pure science. Driving is an applied science. Schools teach one or the other; few people are good at both.
Having a doctorate degree in one field - say medicine - doesn't make you smart at another - such as math, or physics.
The pharmacy reps tell them what and how much to prescribe.
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I got my 4 year B.S. in Information Technology degree from a reputable college for a grand total of $10,000. I graduated in 2004. That doesn't include rent, food, living expenses, or books, but I never lived with less than 3 other people (often in houses with 6-8 people), ate cheap food, didn't spend much on anything, and I hardly ever bough school books unless they really were required.
How did I spend less for a 4 year degree than most of my friends spent in 1 year at the local University? I went to a community college for my first two years, and then I went to a smaller university (Central Michigan University). Community college cost $1000 a semester, and CMU cost $2500 a semester. I did get 2 scholarships for a combined $4000, but I didn't even apply for either of them. One was given to all Michigan students from the tobacco settlement, and the other was given to me since I had a GPA above 3.5 when I transferred to CMU.
I have several friends who graduated with 40k-120k in debt. I can't even imagine having that much extra debt. It would be like having a second mortgage. It breaks my heart even more when someone gets that much debt with a degree that has a pretty low earnings potential. You'd be amazed how many young people I've talked to who never thought about looking at the job market before picking their career path, to see what kind of job possibilities/salary ranges were. There is no reason to go 50k in the hole, just so you can get a job making 30k a year.
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Well, I can't control what companies do, but I can advise people not to make dumb decisions. Too often people are directed to pick a career that is what they want to do. Sounds great on paper. I remember filling out one of those career direction tests in high school. If I had followed it's advice, I'd be sitting in a tower watching for forest fires. I don’t have any idea what that type of a job pays, but I have to believe the market is incredibly small. I have a cousin who was half way through college studying to be a photojournalist. He wanted to take pictures for National Geographic. It wasn’t until someone finally banged into his head that there are only a couple hundred people in the world who do that job. He had better odds of getting into the NFL. It seems harsh to smash someone’s dreams, but people need to have a sense of realism in their career choices.
If you sign up to a site about online schools, and fill out online school applications, and they call you, that's not spam. Scam, maybe, but not spam.
Sorry, that isn't math. That is number crunching. Anyone who completed a doctorate degree in a science field will be good at number crunching.
No, but self-worth doesn't pay the rent. Excelling at your job doesn't have a great return on investment these days; most of the time, whether you work your brains out or do just enough to not get fired, you get paid the same.
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