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Training Under Way For New Nuclear Plant Operators In S. Carolina

"Start thinking about getting your tinfoil hat radiation hardened," writes an anonymous reader, and excerpts thus from ABC News: "Southern Co. in Georgia and SCANA Corp. in South Carolina are the first to prepare new workers to run a recently approved reactor design never before built in the United States. Training like it will be repeated over the decades-long lifetime of those plants and at other new ones that may share the technology in years to come. Both power companies are building pairs of Westinghouse Electric Corp. AP1000 reactors at Plant Vogtle near Augusta and SCANA Corp.'s Summer Nuclear Station northwest of Columbia, S.C. While the nuclear industry had earlier proposed a larger building campaign, low natural gas prices coupled with uncertainty after last year's disaster at a Japanese nuclear plant have scaled back those ambitions." Getting a new nuclear plant approved is a long haul.

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  1. SC Legend by Tokolosh · · Score: 5, Funny

    South Carolina has the largest number of nuclear facilities and radioactive waste in the USA.

    Washington DC has the largest number of lawyers.

    South Carolina won the toss and had first choice.

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    1. Re:SC Legend by holmstar · · Score: 2

      Have you never driven outside of a city? Most roads are 55mph, and there are stop signs at pretty much every intersection (in at least one direction).

  2. Not revolutionary by flayzernax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reactors them selves are chernobyl biscuis (/sarcasm).

    http://www.ap1000.westinghousenuclear.com/ Commonly known as a pressurized water reactor (PWR).

    The only thing revolutionary is the control systems. Its more digitized and automated then ever before. Personally I don't like this, not very warm and fuzzy about the US nuclear commission and the state of the industry. I would like to see other designs implemented.

    1. Re:Not revolutionary by flayzernax · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to this article though, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressurized_water_reactor, Chernyobyl was graphite modulated, and different then a PWR.

    2. Re:Not revolutionary by wjwlsn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Compare the safety, reliability, efficiency, and comfort of a car designed and built in the 60s/70s to one from the 21st century... not much revolution, but a whole lot of evolution. Which is better?

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    3. Re:Not revolutionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only thing revolutionary is the control systems.

      The nuclear industry doesn't like "revolutionary". They are risk-adverse and prefer reliable, proven, known technologies over more exotic options. Sorry... but no regional power company is going to commit billions to implementing a Gen IV design at commercial scales until this stuff is much, much further along. Not that the NRC would let it happen at this point anyways. The hurdles to any new nuclear development are enormous enough without this sort of fantasizing.

      That said, I think you're overlooking this tidbit from the AP1000 Wikipedia page:

      • 50% fewer safety-related valves
      • 35% fewer pumps
      • 80% less safety related piping
      • 85% less control cable
      • 45% less seismic building volume
      • passive cooling for up to 72 hours

      This is pretty freaking cool. It's a big win for safety (that passive cooling would have been a nice backup for the 36 minutes that Vogtle lost cooling in 1990, for example). It's an even bigger win for cost reduction. A nuclear plant is basically one huge machine that is constantly undergoing maintenance. This requires a huge amount of human capital to plan, review, coordinate, practice, perform, check, and proceduralize the work in a safe and secure way. And these aren't people with art degrees... these are engineers, managers, and skilled blue-collar workers. With the AP100, nuclear's "talent cost" per MW is lowered, which means that society can generate more energy for the same amount of talent or it can allocate more human talent to other endeavors (such as going back to the moon, etc.). [Whether our society will smartly allocate this excess talent or not is a different question, admittedly, but it's still a "win" in principle for this new design.]

      Disclaimer: used to support Vogtle.

    4. Re:Not revolutionary by mnooning · · Score: 2

      A passive cooling system means you do not have to pump the water. Hotter water rises to the top because there are less molecules per given volume, hence less weight, than cooler water. Actually implementing a gravity driven cooling system is a big deal.

  3. Re:Better at Nukes? by Steauengeglase · · Score: 2

    Boeing built a plant in N. Charleston, SC for the 787 Dreamliner seeking wages and right to work status (not to mention tax incentives). The Dreamliner has suffered from delays and electrical failure, engine and cooling problems.

  4. Re:Why is it different? by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's the first "3rd generation" reactor design to be approved, and is supposed to have much better passive-safety features than previous generations. For example, in a reactor scram, the core would be cooled by a gravity-driven cooling system that works without power.

  5. Re:Why is it different? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    ...and we just hope that there is no coolant leak. I suppose that is better than hoping there is no leak and hoping the cooling system remains powered, but really we need systems with better passive safety before we build more nuclear reactors.

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  6. Re:Why is it different? by wjwlsn · · Score: 5, Informative

    On top of the digital controls, it has vastly simpler mechanical and electrical design, yielding significant reductions in the amounts of safety-related piping, cabling, valves, seismic building volume, etc.

    Something that should be appreciated, but is seldom mentioned: the design work has been conducted using modern computers and software incorporating vastly improved analytical methods for nuclear, thermal, mechanical, civil, and electrical analysis. The last round of plants built in the US were designed in the 60s and 70s using tools that seem positively ancient by today's standards.

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  7. Re:Why is it different? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

    AP-1000's use a natural circulation cooling feature in such an event to keep cooling flow through the core and breach.

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  8. Re:Better at Nukes? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about just being reasonable. The 787 is having the same sorts of problems that every new plane gets.

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  9. Long haul? by Quila · · Score: 2

    To be fair, it was only three years from submission to approval and publishing in the register, not bad really. But then Westinghouse submitted several revisions over the succeeding years, triggering more reviews and approvals.

  10. Re:Better at Nukes? by Quila · · Score: 2

    The South Carolina plant has nothing to do with the delays or other problems, having only opened last year. Boeing only delivered the first SC-built 787 a couple months ago, and no special problems have been found. Manufacture of components is around the world, final assembly was exclusively in unionized Washington for the first Dreamliners. That's the source of the issues you mentioned, including delays due to a union strike in Washington.

    The problem the unions have with the SC plant is that they won't get their member dues and commensurate increased political power.

  11. Re:New designs are great by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

    I'm with you on that. Thorium really seems to be the way to go. Safer, simpler, more plentiful, not as prone to "nuclear proliferation" (i.e., fuel for warheads), more useful byproducts, and much less waste product.

  12. Re:New designs are great by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

    I should add that we have had experimental thorium reactors here in the U.S. in the past, and we learned at lot. And India has approved the build of a thorium reactor for electricity generation.