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Has Lego Sold Out?

Hugh Pickens writes "Matt Richtel and Jesse McKinley write in the NY Times that for generations of American children, Legos were the ultimate do-it-yourself plaything. Little plastic bricks, with scant instructions, just add imagination. But today's construction sets are often tied to billion-dollar franchises like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and invite users to follow detailed directions, not construct their own creations from whole brick. It's less open-ended, some parents and researchers say, and more like paint-by-numbers. 'When I was a kid, you got a big box of bricks and that was it,' says Tracy Bagatelle-Black. 'What stinks about Lego sets now is that they're not imaginative at all.' Lego loyalists are quick to defend the company. Josh Wedin, the managing editor of the Brothers Brick, a Lego blog, called complaints that they are less creative 'simply ridiculous,' adding that Legos always included some instructions, though he says he misses the alternative designs that used to be on the back of the box. But Clifford Nass, a sociology professor at Stanford University who studies how people relate to the physical world versus the virtual world, says some essential qualities were lost when Lego became more like other toys. 'The genius of Lego was, you had to do the work.' Learning about frustration, Nass says, 'is a hugely important thing.'" (And watch soon for a review of The Unofficial Lego Builder's Guide, a book intended to help Lego users escape the tyranny of block-by-number instructions.)

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  1. It's just training for future geekery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first step is to completely ignore the manual, and this is what they're teaching children. This is a skill I wasn't able to master until I was in college, but today's kids will have it done by high school.

    1. Re:It's just training for future geekery by alphatel · · Score: 5, Funny

      The first step is to completely ignore the manual, and this is what they're teaching children. This is a skill I wasn't able to master until I was in college, but today's kids will have it done by high school.

      Today's kids are doing creative block-building online, and paint by numbers in Legos. What a strange, twisted world.

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    2. Re:It's just training for future geekery by Jetra · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The irony is that Minecraft is lego, but they just released a Minecraft lego set.

    3. Re:It's just training for future geekery by Soluzar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LEGO is expensive now, and I can't afford it... personally I see Minecraft as replacing my favourite aspects of LEGO. :)

    4. Re:It's just training for future geekery by Altus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Now? Lego has always been extremely expensive.

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    5. Re:It's just training for future geekery by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have been told there is a reason for the expense. Legos are built to extremely tight tolerances, something up to 10 micrometers. Tight tolerances means everything is more expensive (the dies have to be swapped out more, quality control, etc).

      The reason for tight tolerances is that it has to be backwards compatible with all the other lego sets out there. They just have to fit.

      You could buy the alternatives, like mega bloks, but the creations often fall easily apart and don't have quite the same fit, even if the pieces are from the same tub.

    6. Re:It's just training for future geekery by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I remember as a kind one thing I wanted for Christmas and never got was a $100 Lego castle. This was in the late 80 early 90s. This also serves to note that even back then, Lego wasn't just a box of generic bricks. They had soldiers, weapons, horses, specialty mountains and trees.

      I remember lego space started out pretty generic, but over time the pieces got more and more specialized to the theme. Eventually you got these flying saucers with big alien logos on the pieces that you couldn't use for much else. The only difference between now and then is you have Galactic Republic logo instead. This may be "selling out", but I don't see how it would have much of an impact on a child's creativity, as I got along just fine with the old imaginary brand sets.

    7. Re:It's just training for future geekery by tibit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I personally consider mega bloks to be a ripoff. The quality difference is astonishing. I'm not saying that Lego is always perfect -- I've had some sets in the 90s where some blocks were markedly loosely-fitting compared to same shape/size blocks from other batches. I haven't seen any of that recently, though, and my daughter has several of the most complex Hogwarts sets. I've also recently got a nice large Technics motorized excavator for myself, and it's quite a step up from the smaller pneumatics one I had as a kid. The design is pretty damn good.

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    8. Re:It's just training for future geekery by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meh, simple solution, a FOSS brick required. Free as in the design and many companies can compete for the supply. So FOSS LEGO promoted to replace proprietary LEGO and to make the creativity of design and assembly open to far more children from all over the globe.

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    9. Re:It's just training for future geekery by Jessified · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know. I always built them with the instructions, just once and never again to see it as they imagined it, and then I never touched the instructions again. I'd then tear it down and do my own shit.

    10. Re:It's just training for future geekery by wrencherd · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't get an allowance until I was a teenager and even then it was only 25 cents a week. Mowing a lawn in those days was worth $1..

      You were lucky! We didn't have lawns when I was young.

      We lived in a small shoe-box by the side of the road. Every night before bed our dad would thrash us and kill us and then dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah!"

      You try telling the geeks of today that, and they won't believe you . . .

  2. Waste of space. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doesn't the NYT have anything more important to publish than people bitching about legos? If you just want a bag of bricks, you can still get them. In fact, you can order them in bulk now, which wasn't offered when I was a kid.

    1. Re:Waste of space. by malignant_minded · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No crap they sold out. Branding is now all they have left after losing their cases preventing competition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lego_Group#Trademark_and_patents The only way they can continue to compete with companies like MegaBlocks is to have exclusive rights to Star Wars or Harry Potter etc etc. Honestly how much justification can you have for $50 USD plastic blocks unless you are the only game in town with whats "cool".

  3. I've felt like this for years, too by Cyphax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, I agree so much. I had my fair share of legos when I was a child and the building blocks were nice and generic. Nowadays, all the pieces are molded to shape whatever you're supposed to make much better, resulting in a nicer looking whatever-it-is-you-were-making, but taking it apart, I wonder if there's much of a point in trying to make something else out of it, even beside the alternatives listed on the back of the box.
    I'm glad I kept most of my legos for when my son's old enough for them. Other than that it looks like I'm stuck remembering the old days fondly.

    1. Re:I've felt like this for years, too by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      of course there is. that molded 'specialty' piece is always a plethora of other things, you just have to attatch it to a hinge, or a side, or upside down and backwards. I played with legos all through my childhood, and the 'specialty' pieces from my 'Ice planet base' set, and my 'space shuttle' set always found new life in building space ships, giant robots, submarines, and a whole world of other things.

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    2. Re:I've felt like this for years, too by colinrichardday · · Score: 4, Informative

      >> I'm glad I kept most of my legos for when my son's old enough for them.

      > I take it you threw the grammar book out?

      As "son's" can be a contraction for "son is", I fail to see the problem.

  4. It's not a complete loss by Vermyndax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens in my house: my son gets a Lego set. He excitedly spends hours building them (or one hour, if it's a small one). then he plays with it a little. A few days later I find it in pieces and deconstructed all over the playroom. A few days later, something else comes out as he institutes his own creations and modifications.

    It's not a matter of lacking the manual, as we have kept every manual for every set he ever received. He knows where those manuals are, too.

    To me, it seems like Lego has stuck a good balance.

  5. Not the issue by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have had detailed instructions that you could follow for almost as long as Lego has existed.
    The problem with today Lego I that they made they completely out of proprietary big pieces that do not really fit together any other way.

    You used to be able to buy some castle set, with step by step instructions, but it was made with the exact same pieces as every other set out there. So at the end of the day you could take it apart and build that castle into a space ship. Now Lego is basically just action figures and video games.

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  6. Last time I went to the Lego Store... by wilgibson · · Score: 4, Informative

    you could still buy buckets of bricks, and the whole back wall was loose bricks for people that wanted to make their own bucket. I've been playing with Lego for thirty years. I always wanted to make what was on the box first, but eventually it became whatever the hell I wanted it to be. If someone wants to whine about children not being creative these days, I think Lego is the last reason they aren't creative!

  7. Lego was not the ultimate do-it-yourself plaything by Alain+Williams · · Score: 5, Informative

    That title must go to Meccano. With this you could build real things that worked and would not fall into bits at the first knock. With strips of metal held together with nuts and bolts you could create great things. I loved it.

  8. In defence of Lego... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    But today's construction sets ...invite users to follow detailed directions, not construct their own creations from whole brick...

    Absolutely sensible approach. Today's child is growing up in today's environment, and will become a designer tomorrow. Today, if you create a design for which some idiot possesses a design patent, the latter will sue you for billions of dollars. If you have a brick with rounded corners, is glossy or black in colour, even God cannot save you from litigious thugs.The child needs to learn this lesson very early, and learn to 'behave' and 'obey' and 'conform' rather than be creative.

    So Lego has researched and come up with designs which are not encumbered by prior art or patents; and given detailed instructions for kids to follow. 10 years from now, a design company would have about a 100 lawyers for every 5 designers. These lawyers would tell the designers exactly what to design, what not to design, and how not to be too successful and gain the wrath of patent holding Big Businesses.

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  9. Re:Buy plain bricks.... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They sold kits in the old days. They even sold kits with various themes and special (non-brick) parts.

    All of this nostalgia and angst is misplaced. These people are running off on a tangent based on some idealized notion of the past rather than what actaully happened.

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  10. Really two varieties of Lego by Narrowband · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not all legos are equal, they have sort of diverged into two types: the traditional brick type (and in that I include even the specialized pieces, as long as they fit together in the traditional stud/brick mechanism) and the Technic/Mindstorms type, which use pieces more like girders that fit together with special connectors. The brick type has moved more in the licensing/set model direction, and those I sort of agree that the creativity seems to be missing these days. But I have to admit I'm glad they came up with a decent lego millenium falcon, which was absolutely perfect for my son for Christmas a year ago.

    On the other hand, the Technic/Mindstorms type still focuses a lot on creativity, with alternate directions for different models included, and lots of resources available for idea books and programming and such. If you look on the Lego education site, they seemed to almost have moved in the opposite/more creative direction, with resources for bodging together Mindstorms electronic components with a metal frame & RC servo-based robotics construction system (vertex? Tetrix? I forget what it was called) that another company makes.

    Bottom line, if you want to emphasize creativity, go Technic early, then maybe branch off to mindstorms.

    1. Re:Really two varieties of Lego by NixieBunny · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We have at least a hundred LEGO sets from various of the "unimaginative" series from Harry Potter to Star Wars to the underwater things. They get built once according to the book, then they gradually get taken apart and mixed in with the giant bins of random LEGO parts. All these strangely shaped and colored parts mix together quite well, and my children have had no trouble whatsoever in creating weird fan-fic style mashup vehicles and action sets.

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    2. Re:Really two varieties of Lego by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Read the directions? Huh? You're kidding, right?

      I'm a guy. I never need directions, behind the wheel, or playing with Legos. It would be unmanly to start now!

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  11. The 1980s called, they want their news back. by AC-x · · Score: 4, Informative

    What a load of rubbish, Lego sets have included detailed instructions to make the specific thing on the box for decades! The main difference now is that sets are tied to specific films like Starwars, Pirates of the Caribbean, Harry Potter and so on rather than just generic themes like space, pirates, castles etc.

    How is this pirate set from 1989 any worse than this Pirates of the Caribbean set from 2011?

    It may be a movie tie-in but you've still got to build the thing yourself and you can take it apart and put it together again any way you like.

  12. Lego, a steal at twice the price. by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    LEGO is expensive now, ...

    Ok, I have to say this is simply flat out wrong. As a serious collector of Lego for over 30 years, I can authoritatively say that the price of Lego sets has held almost constant at ~ .10 per brick. Some of the newer licensed sets break that rule and go over that figure, but Lego has also introduced the Creator lines and similar sets with lots of basic bricks where the price falls well below the .10 a brick average.

    But don't believe me. Go check out the prices on Brickset, a site that has a massive comprehensive catalog of old Lego sets and instructions. I looked up a few random set MSRPs from the early 80s to make sure I was remembering the prices right, and it looks like I was dead on. Holding steady at ~.10 per brick over 30 years is an amazing feat, doubly so if you adjust for inflation.

    So, no Lego isn't expensive now. Its higher quality and less expensive than ever before. And Unlike 99% of the toys I had as a kid, it still works just fine.

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