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Intel Challenges ARM On Power Consumption... And Ties
GhostX9 writes "Tom's Hardware just published a detailed look at the Intel Atom Z2760 in the Acer Iconia W510 and compared it to the NVIDIA Tegra 3 in the Microsoft Surface. They break it down and demonstrate how the full Windows 8 tablet outperforms the Windows RT machine in power consumption. They break down power consumption to include the role of the CPU, GPU, memory controller and display. Anandtech is also reporting similar findings, but only reports CPU and GPU utilization."
Despite repeated claims that x86 is beating ARM here, they look neck and neck. Assuming you can make a meaningful comparison.
Despite repeated claims that x86 is beating ARM here, they look neck in neck.
It's neck and neck.
If two processors are Neck and Neck in power consumption and one of them is x86. It means x86 is ahead. It's got better clock speeds and it's got more software going for it than arm. Yes we have a lot of android apps, but I would rather have my windows applications to those "apps" and their private internet. Unless Neck and Neck is for a processor intel does not produce any more, it's clearly advantage intel.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-arm-processor-soc-atom,17476.html When that story was posted i said that all ARM was doing was poking the bear. Didn't take long for Intel to get there either. Just shows you don't piss off a company with a lot of $ for R&D
First, those articles are very interesting, thanks to Intel for making them happen.
Second, it's a good thing that Intel is catching up. I'm not a great Intel fan (rooting for the underdogs and all that), but still, I'm impressed.
Third, isn't the OS choice biasing the results a bit ? Would ARM fare better under a more ARM-oriented OS such as Android ? Or is power consumption profile, in the end, fully OS-independent ?
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The only issue here is that this is not an apples for apples comparison. 40nm vs. 32nm should give a huge benefit to the 32nm Atom. We need to compare the same technology node for this to make any sense. Also, looking at the idle cpu power consumption from the anandtech article, the Atom SOC used 10x more power. /half speed or with the SOC sitting idle?
So the real question is what do most tablets spend the majority of their time doing? Running a benchmark at full
I have said it before: with ARM, you can choose from multiple, competing chip vendors, or you can license the ARM technology yourself and make your own chips if you are big enough; with x86, you would be chaining yourself to Intel and hoping they treat you well. So, if low-power x86 is neck and neck with ARM, that's not good enough.
Intel is used to high margins on CPUs, much higher than ARM chip makers collect. Intel won't want to give up on collecting those high margins. If Intel can get the market hooked on their chips, they will then ratchet up the margins just as high as they think they can.
The companies making mobile products know this, and will not lightly tie themselves to Intel. So long as ARM is viable, Intel is fighting an uphill battle.
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Interesting that they are not comparing to a *modern* ARM chip (Cortex-A15), like the Exynos 5 (5250) or even a Qualcom Krait S4 (perhaps MSM8960).
So the news is that Intel has mostly caught up to an old ARM based chip based on designs/specs years older still and only running under MS-Windows. Yawn....
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-msm8960t,3291-4.html
Atom isn't here, but perhaps because it is too new, but it's clear from this graph that at least Tom's Hardware seems to agree that the Snapdragon eats Tegra's lunch.
I have a Nexus 4 (Snapdragon S4) and a Nexus 7 (Tegra 3), and the 4 is WAY, WAY faster than the 7 in almost every experience.
On the Nexus 4 I can leave a movie playing in the background and keep listening to it while I check an important email that just came in or make a move in a game of Words with my wife. Attempting the exact same thing on the Nexus 7 results in the movie skipping and the user experience slowing to a crawl.
Perhaps there are some significant architecture differences between the two, but at least from a real-world user experience standpoint, I would not characterize the OP's assertion as "random conjecture" at all.
Why are they a node ahead all the time? Because they spend billions in R&D. When the downturn hit everyone in the fab business cut R&D, except Intel. So now they have a 22nm fab that has been running for awhile, another that just came fully online, and two 14nm fabs that'll be done soon (one on 450mm wafers).
They do precisely what geeks harp on companies to do: Invest money in R&D, invest in tech. They also don't outsource production, they own their own fabs and make their own chips. Most of them are even in the United States (8 of the 11).
The payoff is that they are ahead of people in terms of node size, and that their yields tend to be good (because the designers and fab people can work closely).
If other companies don't like it, well the only option is to throw in heavy on the R&D front. In ARM's case being not only fabless but actually chipless, just licensing cores to other companies, they can't do that. They are at the mercy of Samsung, TSMC, Global Foundries, and so on.
One area in which Intel is significantly more open than any manufacturer in the ARM ecosystem is in graphics hardware. Although Intel hasn't opened all their GPUs fully yet (from what I've read), this seems to be mostly because providing all the documentation takes time, not because they are against making everything open.
This contrasts dramatically with every single ARM license in existence. ARM's own MALI GPU is tightly closed (probably because MALI was a licensed technology) so the Lima team is having to reverse engineer a Linux driver. All the ARM licensees who provide GPUs seem to be either unable to open their GPU information because their GPU core has been licensed from a 3rd party, or else are simply disinterested in doing so, or else vehemently opposed to it for alleged commercial reasons in at least a couple of cases. So, the prospect of open documentation on SoC GPUs appearing from ARM manufacturers is vanishingly small.
This gives Intel at least one possible opening through which they can be fairly certain that the competition will not follow. Although that may be worth a lot to us in this community, the commercial payback from community support tends to be very slow in coming. Still, it's something that Intel might consider an advantage worth seizing in the mobile race where they're a rank outsider.
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