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FCC Smooths the Path For Airlines' In-Flight Internet

The Washington Post reports on a development that may push Internet access on commercial aircraft from a pleasant luxury (but missing on most U.S. domestic flights) to commonplace. Writes the Post: "The Federal Communications Commission on Friday approved an application process for airlines to obtain broadband Internet licenses aboard their planes. Previously, airlines were granted permission on an ad hoc basis. Airlines need the FCC’s permission to tap into satellite airwaves while in flight that enable passengers to access the Internet. They also need permission from the Federal Aviation Administration, which oversees the safety of inflight Internet systems." I hope that on-board Internet not only becomes the default, but that free advertising-backed access does, too; especially for short flights, the "24-hour pass" paid access I've seen on United and Delta is tempting, but too pricey.

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  1. Oh ${deity}, please, NOT ad-supported internet! by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Please, for the love of God, Xenu, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, no, not in-flight internet that screws with the stream and inserts its own ads into it, or intercepts random http requests and redirects them to interstitial ads. Taco Bell in South Florida tried that a few months ago, and it broke SO FUCKING MANY Android apps it isn't funny (because the access point's stupid software couldn't tell the difference between a http request for a web page, and a http request made to some web service whose client app is just going to crash and burn if it gets a 302 redirect in a context where the real app would never, ever return one).

    1. Re:Oh ${deity}, please, NOT ad-supported internet! by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ^^^ Oh, I forgot... it also broke non-http-based apps (including ipsec VPNs and SSH), because it would periodically decide to make you watch an ad, and start blocking all traffic from your IP address until you watched one. Except in the meantime, your app is freaking out because it's supposedly connected, but has no apparent connectivity. Oh... and the best part... whatever they were using to serve the ads had a bug that caused the Flash-based ad host to crash when you tried watching ads beyond the first, so once the initial session ran out of time and it decided to make you watch another ad, there was nothing you could do to reconnect and make it work again short of spoofing a different MAC address.

      Maybe this is something IETF needs to address, so "free-as-in-no-cash-trading-hands" wifi can at least communicate to OTHER applications that they need to make you watch an ad to avoid having the connection go away. In the meantime, though, I officially regard "free-if-you-watch-the-ads" wifi as a plague that does nothing except cause misery and render the service completely useless.

    2. Re:Oh ${deity}, please, NOT ad-supported internet! by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some smart person will write a browser extension that says, "Sure, I'll watch your ad. Stream it right here where I'll pipe it to /dev/null".

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    3. Re:Oh ${deity}, please, NOT ad-supported internet! by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      > HTTPS for everything. Problem solved.

      No, that's the point. The way they implemented it caused Android apps to break on multiple levels. If you were tunneled through a PPTP VPN (to encrypt all of your traffic, and prevent a badly-written app that used http from leaking information about you to someone running Wireshark in the vicinity), it broke everything after ~10 minutes when it decided to block you for not watching an ad. Attempting to launch the web browser at that point didn't help, because the web browser's traffic was tunneled through the ipsec VPN too, and never got its request intercepted and redirected to the ad. Even after you killed the VPN, there was ANOTHER bug that prevented that second ad (and beyond) from running properly, even after you closed the VPN session and tried to relaunch the browser. It tried to display an embedded flash video ad, then either crashed the browser trying to display a partial mis-zooned chunk of the video, or it would run to completion, but not credit you for actually watching the ad.

      Basically, its developers tested it with desktop browsers running desktop Flash, and failed to realize that IOS devices can't do Flash at all, and Android devices can only handle a subset of Flash. Judging by the artwork style, dysfunctional operation, Flash-focused design, and restaurant chain, I'm guessing it was probably written by the same team who went on to create the steaming mountain of poo known as "Pizza Hut's Android App" (don't get me started... that app was SO BAD, it cost Pizza Hut my business for MONTHS because I literally couldn't complete an order without the app crashing. It's the only one-star rating I've ever given to an Android app.)

    4. Re:Oh ${deity}, please, NOT ad-supported internet! by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

      The videos had forced interactivity (hence, their dependence upon Flash features that Android didn't support). It would stream, then pause and force you to make a choice, like "Which delicious menu item should our hero Jose order?", then made you watch more, then asked a final question you had to get right to prove you watched the video, or it would make you watch it again. (I heard somebody with a laptop at another table angrily complaining about it)

  2. Not satellite access required. by BitZtream · · Score: 2

    GoGo uses cellular service, not sat links. The whole thing about using your cell phone on an aircraft is utter bullshit and has been since day one.

    Heres an map old map of some of their towers.

    http://www.gadling.com/2009/12/07/aircell-headquarters-chicago-internet/

    Analog cell phones worked just fine on aircraft. Digital doesn't have the power to do it at 35k feet, of course, you also have a battery that'll last a couple days instead of just one with digital but thats another argument and that problem can be addresses as well.

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    1. Re:Not satellite access required. by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      I seem to recall that mobile-phone providers were worried about in-flight use of phones because it could cause a mess with the networks if thousands of customers were hopping cell towers at 500+ mph, instead of at usual walking/subway/biking/driving speeds. One per plane would presumably not cause the same problem.

    2. Re:Not satellite access required. by shitzu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Batteries lasting a couple of days vs one has nothing to do with digital vs analog. I have had a digital (GSM) phone with a battery that lasts for two weeks easily. Batteries these days don't last more than a day because of those gigaherzes of cpu to power, inches of screen to light and constant communications for smartness.
      And by the way - GSM goes easily to 35k feet (11km) - if there are no obstrucions - you know - like in the AIR. We use a ferry to travel from Tallinn (Estonia) to Helsinki (Finland) and only right in the middle of this ~80 KM journey is there no cell reception from either shore. I would extrapolate that at least 30 km (3 times the height of commercial air traffic) is easily doable.
      Cell phone reception only sucks if you have buildings or plants in the way. Or a mountain.

    3. Re:Not satellite access required. by RDW · · Score: 2

      Maybe it's the airlines who are worried about the potential for violence inherent in being stuck next to someone jabbering away on their phone for an 8 hour flight? I hope they block Skype...

  3. I'd be happy just to have an AC outlet... by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't really need internet access on a flight, but when I'm on a 3 hour flight and I am running so many applications on my laptop that my battery is only good for 2 hours, I would really love to have an outlet to plug in and keep my battery charged. Unfortunately most of the planes I've been on in the past 7-10 years have been of the regional jet variety which generally don't have AC outlets for anyone.

    As much as I generally am rather fond of the EmbraerJets, I am rather annoyed that they never give me anywhere to plug in my laptop, it would well offset my frustration over the inability to stand up in the aisle.

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    1. Re:I'd be happy just to have an AC outlet... by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm mac, and I use this: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB441Z/A/apple-magsafe-airline-adapter

      Perhaps you should see what you need for your laptop. I've not had a power issues in a couple of years thanks to having the right adapter.

      Expecting to plug in to AC is rather retarded on an aircraft as it would require large inverters to power a full aircraft, and then all the inverters are going to do is power your converter thats going to bounce it back down to essentially the same voltage as it started out as.

      AC power is only good for long range transmission and large motors, beyond that, DC is what you want and you don't want to go bouncing around between the two any more than you have to.

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    2. Re:I'd be happy just to have an AC outlet... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Few if any domestic flights have power (DC or AC), in cattle class anyways.

      So bring a 100 foot extension cord and reel it out up to first class.

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    3. Re:I'd be happy just to have an AC outlet... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Expecting to plug in to AC is rather retarded on an aircraft as it would require large inverters to power a full aircraft, and then all the inverters are going to do is power your converter thats going to bounce it back down to essentially the same voltage as it started out as.

      Actually, the plane sockets provide very little power - usually under 55W or so. For a small laptop, not a big deal, but a larger ones will often require entering special modes that disable battery charging (I believe the Apple one tells the laptop to not charge the battery, for other laptops, you should remove the battery). Otherwise there's a chance you can trip the power outlet and it won't provide any more power until it's reset.

      They're not providing full 15A to the AC sockets. Just barely 0.5A. Though the airline sockets are the same, really - 28V @ 2A.

    4. Re:I'd be happy just to have an AC outlet... by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Virgin is arguably the best airline that currently operates in the US. If they had flights to Vancouver they would be my default airline.

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  4. Re:Good luck w/ regards to pricing by FSWKU · · Score: 2

    WiFi on Southwest is only $5 per day right now, which is less than gogo charges for WiFi in the airport!

    And in my experience, it's HORRIBLY slow. Last time I went to Texas, I noticed the return AUS->BNA flight had it and figured "why not?" Web pages took forever to load and would frequently time out, the onboard hosted content wasn't exactly snappy, and even AIM and IRC had trouble keeping a connection.

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  5. Re:Good luck w/ regards to pricing by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, it is slow. When I have used it, it gave me slightly better than dial-up speeds and, on occasion, I would lose connectivity for a few minutes. Basically, good enough for email and light surfing. I also downloaded a few PDFs.

    On the other hand, I am sitting 7 miles in the air, moving at several hundred miles an hour and able to access the Internet! Sure, it isn't a great connection, but I'm 7 miles in the air - so I think it's pretty sweet.

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  6. Re:So wireless internet does not crash airlines?? by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is nice to have the option of checking the results of a hockey game during a long flight, but in general I agree; having to live without an internet connection for several hours is not a hardship. It is not hard to download a movie or two the day before flying, and anyone who is is critical to their company that the company cannot function if they are out of contact for a few hours needs to be replaced. Critical failure points like that are too dangerous to keep around.

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  7. Re:Pricing by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too many price-insensitive business travelers willing to pay *any* price with the corporate credit card

    I'm a business traveller - Flew 65K miles on 66 segments in 2012. When I've been on flights with IF internet I've never bothered with it. I edit presentations, work on spreadsheets, reply to email ("save draft"), or watch a movie. It's my few hours when I'm *not* connected...

  8. Re:Pricing by cthulhu11 · · Score: 2

    You get to fly first class? Lucky you. I've given up trying to use a laptop in coach - no room for a tolerable arm/hand angle for typing or reasonable head angle, and too much risk for the jackass in front of me reclining with no notice and snapping my display.