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China's Controversial Brain Surgery To Cure Drug Addiction

kkleiner writes "A small handful of doctors in China are using a highly controversial procedure to rid people of drug addiction by destroying a part of patients' brains. The procedure involves drilling small holes into the skulls of patients and inserting long electrodes that destroy a part of the brain called the nucleus accumbens. This area, often referred to as the "pleasure center" of the brain, is the major nucleus of the brain's reward circuit. Is it worth being cured of addiction if, losing the addiction, we also lose part of who we are?" The practice has been officially banned, but apparently continues nonetheless.

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  1. 21st Century Lobotomies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They worked out so well last time.

  2. Is it worth? by XiaoMing · · Score: 5, Funny

    is it worth being cured of addiction if, losing the addiction, we also lose part of who we are? Is it worth being cured of addiction if, losing the addiction, we also lose part of who we are?

    is it worth reading slashdot, if, reading it means reading poorly edited summaries like these? Is it worth reading slashdot, if, reading it means reading poorly edited summaries like these?

    1. Re:Is it worth? by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess the person who wrote the summary was speaking from experience.

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    2. Re:Is it worth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jesus here. Stop telling me what I already know.

  3. Lost a Friend Yesterday by BoRegardless · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldn't control his drug issues. His birth mother was addicted.

    Now he is gone. Would he have been better served to still be here w/o some "reward center". I don't know. I will never know.

    1. Re:Lost a Friend Yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Would he have wanted to live if he never found any joy in living ever again?

    2. Re:Lost a Friend Yesterday by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you were circumcised and can't feel pleasure from your penis then something went horribly, horribly wrong with the procedure. That's definitely not normal. I'm circumcised so I know what I'm talking about.

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    3. Re:Lost a Friend Yesterday by Velex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, something did go horribly wrong. Unfortunately, nobody's cared to understand non-obvious failure modes of that procedure. So, nobody thought that anything could go wrong when they decided to do it, at least not anything non-obvious that can not be corrected by further surgery. It didn't stop it from going wrong, though.

      In fact, when I started estrogen HRT (I'm transgendered) I asked my doctor about it just to make sure I wasn't making some awful mistake. His theory was that it was only because it seemed that my brain was female, and he postulated that a female brain might not, to put it in slashdot speak, have the proper device driver for it all to work right. Unfortunately, nobody told my doctor that what happened to me is possible. I'm not even sure I'm faulting circumcision correctly, but what I do know is what I feel, that I'm circumcised, that problem is with the same body part involved in that, and that no other trans person I've met can corroborate my experience. (I would likely still be transgendered and seek estrogen HRT even intact--I believe that because there are intact trans women and I can't figure out what difference it would make anyway in that matter.)

      What do I do about it, though? I guess I have to wait until they can grow me a new one from stem cells and replace it. I'm SOL in the meantime. Fortunately, I found other ways to satisfy myself, so all's not lost. I just may never be successful in giving my parents grandchildren.

      I'm comparing this to circumcision to hopefully make readers think. Some may agree with circumcision but disagree with this brain surgery and vice-versa.

      I only meant to raise the question of what can possibly go wrong and is it worth it to risk the occasional disaster when something less invasive and traumatic, like relaxed drug laws and treatment, might solve the problem just as well or even better.

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    4. Re:Lost a Friend Yesterday by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Losing a friend because he made bad decisions is tragic, and cause for grief. Having a friend lobotomized because the government has decided youre making bad decisions is horrifying, and cause for outrage.

      There is a big difference between making bad decisions freely, and having the government decide that you are no longer fit to make your own decisions.

    5. Re:Lost a Friend Yesterday by AdamHaun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mostly I was talking about the ACs, but let's talk about you. What BoRegardless said was:

      Now [my drug-addicted friend] is gone. Would he have been better served to still be here w/o some "reward center". I don't know. I will never know.

      This is not a statement of support. It is a statement of confused grief.

      After misinterpreting this as fervent support, you proceeded to speculate wildly about BoRegardless's motivations and his late friend's addiction, levy criticism based on that speculation, and recommend that he read a story about being trapped in a hellish existence where death is the only escape.

      In response to a person who just said that his friend had died. Yesterday.

      The article is talking about a surgery that is performed only in China, only for research purposes, and only with worldwide condemnation. The only debate outside of China is whether the results of that research should be published in respectable journals.

      Your comment did not address that debate. It will have zero effect on what happens in China. The only thing it does is attack and belittle someone who just lost a friend. In your zeal to put on a show of righteousness on the internet, you are stepping all over the real human being who is (metaphorically) right in front of you.

      To say that this lacks compassion would be an understatement.

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  4. I wouldn't mind losing part of who I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When it comes to a real problem a change in personality wouldn't be such a problem, but losing dopamine forever? Never to feel positive emptions again ever? I don't care who you are that's not worth it. Surely the reason people get addicted to begin with is they don't have enough dopamine and serotonin in their life for whatever reason.

  5. Seriously editors by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FIX THIS SHIT!

    There's no more nice way to say it. This isn't a case of leaving the unit off a measurement, a simple typo, or even the ever so common case of a grammatical mistake a 10 year old could pick out.

    This is YOU timothy not bothering to read 111 words that you put in the summary, let alone edit them.

    Know what happens to me when I go to work and don't do any work, worse still I embarrass the company I work for? I get fired.

  6. Thanks, Minitrue! by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The practice has been officially banned, but apparently continues nonetheless.

    Of course, we're not going to let that stop us from calling it "China's", as if it were some kind of official and mandatory procedure.

  7. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of the West, the U.S. included, was big on this kind of "experimentation" (i.e. lobotomies as a kind of medical treatment) a few decades ago. No need for Hitler here.

    On a positive note, much of our current knowledge of how the human brain works comes from destruction of various kinds, either from intentional and misguided treatment or from strokes. The side effects are often interesting.

  8. ethics, schmethics. it's just outsourcing! by retchdog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dr. John Adler, professor emeritus of neurosurgery at Stanford University, collaborated with the Chinese researchers on the publication and is listed as a co-author. While he does not advocate the surgery and did not perform it, he believes it can provide valuable information about how the nucleus accumbens works, and how best to attempt to manipulate it. “I do think it’s worth learning from,” he says. ” As far as I’m concerned, ablation of the nucleus accumbens makes no sense for anyone. There’s a very high complication rate. [But] reporting it doesn’t mean endorsing it. While we should have legitimate ethical concerns about anything like this, it is a bigger travesty to put our heads in the sand and not be willing to publish it,” he says. cite.

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  9. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep the rest of the world only stopped with the eugenics, forced sterilizations and routine lobotomies because Hitler made them uncool.

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  10. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by WWJohnBrowningDo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first transorbital lobotomy was performed in 1946, one year after Hilter's death.

    Lobotomies stopped being routine in the 70's.

  11. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by justin12345 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No need to Godwin yourself. Checkout what the Canadians were up to (with a little funding from the CIA): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron#Project_MKULTRA

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  12. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The worst thing about this is that it is totally uneccesary. There was a study in the '60s that showed that targeted therapy in combination with psychedelic drugs can cure addiction with a very high success rate (compared to other methods) and almost no side effects. After lsd was made illegal research stopped but recently people have continued the program with ibogaine. The research is still far too preliminary for conclusive results but the fact that a potential treatment exists makes brain surgery even more inadvisable.

  13. Abuses by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Perspective? Lobotomy began with extremely careful scraping of the brain, meant to do the absolute minimum damage possible. Then some greedy quack in the USA took it to a ridiculous extreme, turning a nice young lady into a wheelchair-bound mess because her stuck-up family was worried about their social standing, and that soon degenerated into a procedure that should have been called a crime against humanity:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transorbital_lobotomy

    If your drug addiction is going to kill you in the next 6 months

    There are no certainties about that sort of thing, but there is a certainty about the sort of brain-damaging lobotomy described in TFA: it is irreversible and destructive.

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  14. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Well I believe the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs, well I believe the puppet on the right has MY interests at heart...hey wait a minute, there is one guy controlling both puppets!"...Bill Hicks. The man has been gone more than 20 years and its even more true now than it was back then.

    I urge all of those who think "If only my party got control things would be better" to watch the truth about voting and ask yourself some simple questions like : How many decades have been people voting for less government intrusion? less war? Less handing out billions to third world thugs? hell how many years have we been complaining and voting about the horribly broken borders? the corruption? the influence of lobbyists?

    At the end of the day you can NEVER change a corrupt system by working within that system, why? Well the answer is obvious, its corrupt! That would be like handing a petition to some corrupt police force demanding they stop taking bribes...why would they care what you think? Like pro wrestling its all kayfabe and thanks to the revolving door between the corps and government today's senator will be tomorrow's lobbyist so by voting him out all you are doing is giving him a pay raise while letting someone else get a shot at the money!

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  15. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by Smauler · · Score: 4, Funny

    I agree. The 16 year old girl who has sex with her 15 year old boyfriend should be sterilized, and part of her brain should be destroyed.

  16. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by TFAFalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But if you think about this it's actually a pretty lousy argument. It makes your conception the most important fact in history. Think how many other IFs you could justify just to make yourself happen. 'If your mother hadn't been raped, you wouldn't have happened. If your father hadn't had one of his balls shot off you wouldn't have happened. If Hitler hadn't existed your parents wouldn't have met. If Nagasaki hadn't been bombed the celebration of the end of the war would have been a day later so you wouldn't have happened,.......' Once you start thinking like that EVERYTHING that happened becomes a good thing, since it resulted in the miracle of YOU. So why not look at it without such selfish thought. If your parents filtered out that gene, they would have had the child without that gene. That's it.

  17. Re:I'll auto-Godwin myself by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moderators, please mod him up as informative. Here is the take away paragraph.

    Early data suggests that a period of approximately two years of intermittent treatments may be required to attain the goal of long-term abstinence from narcotics and stimulants for many patients. The majority of patients treated with Ibogaine remain free from chemical dependence for a period of three to six months after a single dose. Approximately ten percent of patients treated with Ibogaine remain free of chemical dependence for two or more years from a single treatment and an equal percentage return to drug use within two weeks after treatment. Multiple administrations of Ibogaine over a period of time are generally more effective in extending periods of abstinence. It is noteworthy that twenty-nine of the thirty-five patients successfully treated with Ibogaine had numerous unsuccessful experiences with other treatment modalities.