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A Wish List For Tablets In 2013

timothy writes "For the last few years, I've been using Android tablets for various of the reasons that most casual tablet owners do: as a handy playback device for movies and music, a surprisingly decent interface for reading books, a good-enough camera for many purposes, and a communications terminal for instant messaging and video chat. I started out with a Motorola Xoom, which I still use around the house or as a music player in the car, but only started actually carrying a tablet very often when I got a Nexus 7. And while I have some high praise for the Nexus 7, its limitations are frustrating, too. I'll be more excited about a tablet when I can find one with (simultaneously) more of the features I want in one. So here's my wish list (not exhaustive) for the ideal tablet of the future, consisting only of features that are either currently available in some relevant form (such as in existing tablets), or should be in the foreseeable near future; I'll be on the lookout at CES for whatever choices come closest to this dream." Read below to see what's on Timothy's wish list. Here's my current mild-fantasy feature list; if you know of better ways to meet these desires, or even more compelling features you'd like to see, I'd like to hear them.

Integrated GPS navigation with built-in maps, not relying on an (always brittle, often expensive) ongoing data connection, or relying on a 3rd-party app. Even cheap standalone GPS units come loaded with maps, which means putting those maps on is possible, and (except from the standpoint of the companies who sell you data by the byte) it would be a good idea. Google's maps app provides a passable workaround, in the form of cached data, so you can load up the maps you need for a given route while you're sitting at a cheap and fast broadband connection, but in practice I'd found it iffy; sometimes the navigation refuses to recognize the maps I've loaded.

So long as you've got a data plan you don't mind dipping into, and are within cellular coverage range, that's fine, but large stretches of the Western U.S. in particular could leave you reliant on paper maps or a really good memory. If Garmin and company can put 6 million points of interest on pocket-sized GPS devices, and has been doing so for the last decade, shouldn't tablet makers do the same? (Not that freshly updated maps with handy chunks of crowd-sourced data are a bad thing; they just shouldn't be the only option. Graceful failure is reason enough to include a basic map set by default.)

(Two related pipe-dreams: 1) Future integration, too, with Gallileo and Beidou — the EU and Chinese equivalents to the U.S. made GPS constellation, and 2) integration with Open Street Maps. Every tablet should be a mapping tool, not just a map reader.)

A full sized USB port. Two of them, even better, but I'd settle for one. USB keys are the easiest way to transmit a certain size of file, close range, in particular when that's already the medium the file occupies. Things like Dropbox help, but don't pass the Mom test (at least in my family), and require extra steps if the document / podcast / video clip is right there in your pocket, just in an unusable form. The other reason I want a full-size USB port is that as impressive it is to have a tiny computer and display in a pocketable device, there is not yet a more efficient way for a sitting person to enter text than a keyboard, and tiny tablet-focused portable keyboards are a weak tool of convenience rather than actually *good,* generally. For light travel, sure. But I'd like to pop to the coffee shop to work for a while with a 1-pound tablet and a real keyboard. Workaround: There are Bluetooth keyboards, but the only true way to get a full-size USB ports for most tablets is by picking up a dongle from Amazon or Deal Extreme, but that's both an extra part to break or lose, and a hassle that it would be nice to skip.

A better "swiping" keyboard. Since I can't always carry a Model M keyboard, I want a keyboard as good as the Swype version that came with my aging but once high-end Samsung phone (Galaxy S). I've tried some Swype versions intended for tablets, but they made the mistake of making the control surface bigger (I suspect to "take advantage of all that space") rather than kept it sensibly small and fast. Being able to zip my finger around quickly is exactly why the one on the phone has totally changed my view of touch keyboards. The swiping keyboard that came with the newest versions of Android is a mixed bag: it's welcome, but at least in my experience so far suffers worse accuracy than does Swype. (On the other hand, the actual included vocabulary seems broader; I've had to customize the dictionary much less often.)

Daylight readable screen of some kind. Pixel Qi is the obvious one right now, but there's also one from Mirasol that I've seen demoed, but which seems unlikely (sorry) to see the light of day. Except for the impressive use of the same technology in the OLPC project's XO kid-centric laptops, Pixel Qi's screens have been mostly going into military and industrial displays, though, rather than into consumer tablets. There's a market waiting for daylight readable color screens!

Hardware toggles for cameras and all wireless capabilities. That is, anything which could betray privacy should be labeled and defeatable. Among other good reasons for this, it might make some devices more acceptable in workplaces with restrictive policies on personal technology. At the last CES, I saw a few Chinese Android tablets that had what looked from their icons like external Wi-Fi toggle switches, but wasn't able to quite confirm that with the vendors. Not every camera-equipped, Wi-Fi-equipped laptop has a physical toggle for either or both of these, but some do, and I'd pay a few more dollars for the capability.

HDMI out: This is common enough on recent tablets, but mostly in the form of a tiny mini-HDMI port. There are a few exceptions, but I'd like to see more. Just as with USB, I'd rather a slightly chunkier case if it means not needing a fistful of finicky cables and adapters. Being able to plug a tablet conveniently into any HDMI-equipped display would be handy; it's more computer than most of us had at all just a few years ago.

Decent in-built stereo recorder: Many tablets (and practically all smartphones as well as many feature phones) include a voice memo feature; that's handy, but it's a shame to waste the capabilities of the rest of the device on just that. Surprisingly good stereo recorders — included ones marketed as "business recorders," but severely overqualified — start at less than $100, and typical tablets have far more horsepower, not to mention a more flexible control surface for apps to control audio recording. In the iWorld, there are dozens of stereo input devices, as well as DI boxes for electric instruments, but not even Apple's devices come with a Just-Hit-Record stereo recording mic, which is too bad. Can you recommend any Android tablets with good built-in stereo mics, or third-party add-ons?

Bright LED light built in: This one, at least, is now the rule to which there are exceptions, rather than the other way 'round. It shows that sometimes the features-list game goes the right direction.

Alternative OS support. This isn't something I expect tablet makers to trumpet; they generally want you to run their choice of OS (whether the underlying tablet is from Apple, Microsoft, or the vast Google/Android conspiracy). But they don't have to; they just have to not make it impossible for others to do the work for them. In the last few months alone we've seen Linux (both Ubuntu for ARM and KDE Plasma Active) ported to the Nexus 7, and the Cyanogenmod developers have for years been making many handset and tablet makers' upgrade abilities look just plain silly. It's not just for novelty, either: right now, I'd like to be able to offload footage from my video camera to a tablet for uploading, which would mean I could stop carrying a laptop around quite so often. If I risk bricking my tablet by installing one of those Linux varieties, that might just be a practical option.

For now, don't think I'm ungrateful: I'm pleased and constantly amazed by how much has already been squeezed into a computer that takes less space than a trade paperback, and it's true that space trade-offs make it hard to squeeze in all the full-size ports I'd prefer. But most of these are features that exist in some form, and don't require anything to spring from the forehead of the Media Lab. I hope that by this time next year it'll be a smaller list of features I'm still looking for.

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  1. Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously. It sounds like you're after the swiss army knife of tablets and no one tablet is *ever* going to meet all those features, because the combination you've chosen won't appeal to the mainstream. Tablet manufacturers are going to design their hardware to sell the most units - not to fulfill your fantasy feature wishlist.

    Maybe you should drop Bunnie Huang a note - get him to tweak one of his hacker laptop builds. Or get a beagleboard, a plastic case, a touchscreen of your choice and go to town with all the accessories you want.

    1. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by rtfa-troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just guessing from the audience; the last thing any of us here need is another thing with a keyboard to join the five or so surrounding us. Tablets are for uses like a) in confined spaces like a plane seat and b) when you don't want to pick up something heavy c) when consuming media in bed / on the couch etc. e) when walking around. In none of those situations is a laptop a solution and adding a keyboard to a tablet would just show the designer had no idea what his product was for.

      These aren't the best thought out solutions, but that's not the complainant's job. He's giving us his idea of what is wrong with what he has already. I would hate the idea of the weight and space of full sized USB ports. On the other hand, direct mini/micro-USB to micro-USB cables to connect cameras to my tablet would be great and would eliminate a big pile of different adapters and mess. What is most needed is a real agreed standard for small connectors which both Apple and the Android vendors buy into together and get rid of large USB entirely. Alternately just make everything work wirelessly over some faster short range network.

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    2. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It sounds like you're after the swiss army knife of tablets and no one tablet is *ever* going to meet all those features, because the combination you've chosen won't appeal to the mainstream.

      There are lots of products available on the market that do not "appeal to the mainstream".

      I can buy a 14-hole chromatic harmonica. A pair of ostrich-skin boots. A copy of Nabokov's lectures on literature. A recumbent bicycle.

      Not all cars are dark-blue Camrys. There are tiny little Smart cars and behemoth Nissan Armadas. In yellow.

      There's no reason every single product in the consumer electronics category has to appeal to every single consumer. We don't have to allow the tech industry to be lazy and greedy. They need us more than we need them.

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    3. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      Nissan Armadas. In yellow.

      I did not want to know that!

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    4. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      I gotta admit, I read that and my first thoughts were:

      1) Dear God, No!
      2) Wait! If they existed, I'd've seen one! It's not like you could miss it!

    5. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now, now. There's nothing wrong with yellow cars. They just look a little different from other cars, but under the hood they run on the same gasoline. Their parts aren't any different than cars of other colors in the same model. They have the same faults and maintenance requirements, and they accelerate and brake and signal like any other car. They're vehicles all the same, and they deserve to be driven like any other car.

      I say all that, but in the end I'm just a hypocrite. Because I'll be damned if I let my kid come home with a yellow car.

    6. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty happy with my getup, even though it's quite ancient now in device years:

      Viewsonic G-Tablet running Vegan-Tab (2.3 Gingerbread-based). It has a micro-SD slot in addition to 16GB of internal memory. It has a full-size USB port. I use it with one of these cheap USB keyboard cases to get physical buttons:
      http://www.amazon.com/Synthetic-Leather-Keyboard-Stylus-Black/dp/B004JQN670/ref=sr_1_2
      I always win at SketchIt / Pictionary with this. Also, I can use it as an extended battery pack to charge my cell phone.

      Yes, the TFT screen is crap, but it doesn't really bother me anymore, the keyboard case really helps keep it propped up at the right angle.
      I tried the TeamDRH (DirtyResetHole) 4.1 ROM at some point, and while it was awesome, the G-Tablet didn't really have enough RAM (512MB) to multitask well with Android 4.1. But all the apps work fine and fast under Vegan-Tab.

      I think the front-facing camera has an LED that turns on when it's active. But there's always masking tape if you want a physical enable/disable button. For the other wireless functions, I'm happy enough with the PowerControl widget to enable / disable various wifi / phone radio features.

      Stereo mics are overrated. Professional studios use one mic per audio source, and mix sources into multiple channels later. Get dedicated recording devices (several tablets recording a single channel each to mix later, if you must). If you're filming VR gonzo porn or something, then you minus while spring for some device that can record in binocular 3D vision with stereo audio to give you the full immersion. For anything less, just deal with having one camera and one mic :P

      The ViewSonic G-Tablet has an HDMI-out converter dongle, but I haven't bought it. The 10" screen is big enough to enjoy Netflix while I'm sitting on the John.

      Finally, I use the LED "flashlight" on my phone (an HTC myTouch 4G Slide running CyanogenMOD 9.1 / Android 4.1-based). I don't really see the need to have one on my Tablet as well. I also have one of these cheap keychain LEDs which actually works pretty nicely and doesn't die like the plastic variety:
      http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-73001-Miniature-Keychain-Flashlight/dp/B0011UIPIW/ref=sr_1_1

      I'm a bit pissed that both Vegan-Tab and CyanogenMOD 9.1 don't have the loopback module compiled in, so I could run the "Linux Installer" and chroot into a full Debian distro from Android. This would give me enough options to make me happy using a tablet for "real" work. It was great on my older myTouch 3G Slide running CyanogenMOD 7.1, which did have the loopback device in the kernel.

      Finally, for mapping, the Google Maps caching is good enough. We just came back from a drive through the Western US, and we simply mapped from town to town., and did the "Download to SD" thing for a few of the national parks that we knew we'd be spending a lot of time wandering around in. Not perfect (particularly since you can't really swap between map types while disconnected... hopefully Google will fix this sometime). But it was good enough. I remember driving across the country 10 years ago with a full US Garmin Street Maps on a laptop. It was cool, but not that cool compared to the awesome array of data that's available now. Back in the PalmOS days, I also would load tons of street vectors from the Mapopolis service, but that was a pain since you had to download county by county. I think at this point, the easiest thing to do would be to just pester Google to add a few more offline features and call it a day... or just spend 5 minutes preloading the details of your trip.

      So call me a luddite, maybe... but I'm pretty happy with my "old" tech ;)

    7. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by arekin · · Score: 2

      Thinkpad tablet 2.

      http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/thinkpad-tablet-2/

      Damn, it seems like this is one of many tablets that almost have most/all of the desired features, but also is running on windows 8. Might be time for me to rethink my mild objections to windows 8...

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    8. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by symbolset · · Score: 2
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    9. Re:Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a real laptop by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      then you minus while spring for some device that can record in binocular

      I will forever and henceforth use "minus while" instead of "might as well".

      I don't know if you did it on purpose or not, but it's brilliant either way.

      And you're absolutely right. Good enough tech is very often far superior to the latest, shiniest.

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  2. Perfect List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...for building a tablet that nobody will buy.

    1. Re:Perfect List by russotto · · Score: 2

      Yes, this is the Homer of tablets.

    2. Re:Perfect List by Teun · · Score: 2

      Let's be realistic, such a tablet would cost a little more but it should hardly be an outrageous amount, maybe 10-15 $, €, whatever.
      Put it next to the stripped down version and see what sells, speaking for myself and the people around me we'd play safe and get the complete package!

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  3. One change by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Drop those full size USB ports, and add a (micro) SD card slot.

    It is totally ridiculous that all NEXUS devices are missing that one, even the new Nexus 10.I want to watch movies in a plane, or review my pictures away from my PC (where a 2560x1600 screen really would help). So fuck the cloud and fuck the tiered pricing system that askes for $100 more for adding $20 worth of flash - while STILL limiting the total capacity to amounts that are ridiculously low for a device of that cost.

    Full sized USB I can understand for missing : Those plugs are huge. They would literally be the thickest thing in the tablet.

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    1. Re:One change by pjr.cc · · Score: 2

      i had the same thought... and yes i really do hate the lack of sd card on nexus devices (though for other reasons)... however, for media a better choice is actually a usb otg adaptor - you can generally get faster, cheaper and larger storage on the end of a usb stick then you will in a microsd card and while a bit larger, they're not inconveniently so (imho)...

      Im loving my nexus 10, i really wasnt expecting to cause the reviews have been iffy at best, but it really is (to me) exactly what i've wanted in a tablet for a long time.

      But like you, i do despise the nexus range for its "no-sd-card" policy and its been (so far) my only real gripe with the entire nexus lineup.

    2. Re:One change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My Acer Iconia Tab A700 almost fits this description.

      It doesn't have a full sized USB port, but it does come with a micro to full-sized USB adapter, which is a reasonable compromise as far as I'm concerned. The USB port supports every USB device I've tried, including keyboard and storage devices ranging from thumb drives up to a 1TB portable hard drive.

      It has a micro SD card slot.

      It has (micro) HDMI out.

      Has built-in GPS, though no offline maps. That would be nice, I agree.

      I don't know why this thing hasn't sold better - it's a fine tablet whose only major flaw seems to be "not a NEXUS".

    3. Re:One change by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I too am completely PISSED at the ongoing effort by manufacturers to steer us into the cloud by eliminating convenient local storage. Its ridiculously obvious.

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    4. Re:One change by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Shut up, you logic & measurements user!

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    5. Re:One change by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Nobody else wants to carry around a library of 32GB cards any more than we ever wanted to carry around a bunch of floppy disks, CDs or anything else.

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    6. Re:One change by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      You can actually use SD cards and USB flash drives with Nexus devices, via an OTG cable, for media storage: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.homeysoft.nexususb.importer&hl=en

      No root required, just the slightly daft cable but at least it won't get in the way in landscape mode on the plane. But yes, lack of an internal SD card slot is very annoying, the only major flaw in an otherwise excellent device.

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    7. Re:One change by blackest_k · · Score: 2

      Full size is quite handy, since everything fits just the same as with your laptop desktop netbook and nas.
      It's a gateway port to be honest. Which you already have devices for. Think the first cable you tend to buy is micro usb (otg) to full size usb port cable. but that port gets too much stress as it is. Bluetooth is possibly a good alternative to the usb port. I would love a usb hub with bluetooth so i could just pair the hub and not need any cable hanging off my tablet and no port to break.

      My tablet has both otg micro and a fullsize usb port. The full size port is a bit funny its meant to take a 3g module but it takes a usb stick or an external hdd (with psu) just fine. with the right usb hub everything else works.

      I dual boot ubuntu and ics (shared kernel) and use a 16gb micro sd card as well, The microsd card is shared storage for ubuntu and android. Yesterday I installed a siemens programming ide to the tablet (its java based) plugged a usb serial port to a hub and now i can carry a tablet to do a job instead of a laptop.

      My wishlist for a tablet is more ram and more open source drivers an omapfb is a bit too slow, there are sensors with no Linux support, and it is a shame i can't use them yet :).

      See the thing about a tablet is it goes from a simple device to a work station if you want it too. Android is fine for tablet duty but I can do so much more when I boot a linux userland.

      So more ram more open hardware drivers and keep the full size usb port since it lets me just plug in a usb drive a card reader even a dvd burner, or a laser printer, scanner. I'd like a separate power socket too.
      Without doubt i'd love that bluetooth enabled usb hub. The option of a wireless display connection would be icing on the cake.

           

    8. Re:One change by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As much as they're derided here on Slashdot, every Windows tablet comes with at least one full size USB port, some form of video out (either full hdmi, mini display port, or micro hdmi), and only one model doesn't come with an SD card slot. These tablets are coming from Asus, Samsung, Sony, Lenovo, Dell, Acer, HP, Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Microsoft.

      Here's a pretty comprehensive list of the current offerings with sortable specs: https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=DA410C7F7E038D!9136&app=Excel

    9. Re:One change by Zero_DgZ · · Score: 2

      It also has a battery life best measured in seconds.

      Almost all of the features in TFA are available one at a time spread across various tablets, but not all on the same device. Lenovo and Toshiba make tablets with full sized USB ports, most non-Apple and non-Nexus tablets have SD card slots, many have HDMI out. There is a map program that works pretty much as the author describes: NavFree is a free-to-use app that lets you preload maps on your machine that are pulled from the OpenStreetmap repositories to be used when you haven't got an internet connection available. It also has limited map editing tools built in to update/correct the repositories when you get back into wifi range.

      High res daylight readable screens have been available for ages. I have one in my N900. The problem: You can't make them as thin as current tablet buyers for some reason demand. Personally, I'd be happy with a slightly thicker tablet with a metal alloy case that I can actually grip, and maybe not feel like I'm going to break in half if I breathe on it too hard. Having a sunlight readable screen bodged in there while we're at it would also be nice.

      The Asus Transformer is another near-miss, as it has a card slot, HDMI, and you can get that groovy keyboard attachment that turns it into a mini-netbook (which even has a hinge on it so you can fold it flat). The tradeoff there? The machine itself costs $400, and the keyboard is not included -- That's an extra $149. Ouch.

      Thus far, everything in this market is a game of tradeoffs. Eventually someone will get it right and include "all of the above" in a consumer device. It probably will not be cheap.

      My solution for this is to just have two devices: I use a Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0) when I feel like being a media-consuming light-duty trendster. I have a Thinkpad X201T tablet when I want an outdoor-readable high powered machine encrusted with ports that I could use to kill a burglar if I hit him with it. I can fit my Galaxy Tab in the CD wallet section of my laptop bag.

      If you can't stomach that multi-killobuck solution right now, then tough.

    10. Re:One change by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      In any other consumer device, exapandable storage isn't even disputed. It's taken as a given

      You do realize that neither the Nexus 4,7 nor 10 have sd card slots, don't you?

    11. Re:One change by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      My Nexus 7 has no expandable storage. You want to try again?

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  4. Few years?! by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the last few years, I've been using Android tablets ... I started out with a Motorola Xoom

    How can you have been using something "for the last few years" when it's been out less than 2?

    1. Re:Few years?! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Internet years.

      Or dog years. I wonder about Timothy sometimes.

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    2. Re:Few years?! by mea_culpa · · Score: 2

      1 mobile year = 3 earth months

    3. Re:Few years?! by LordKronos · · Score: 2

      For the last few years, I've been using Android tablets ... I started out with a Motorola Xoom

      How can you have been using something "for the last few years" when it's been out less than 2?

      I'd personally consider 1 year and 10 months to be a "few years", and apparently so would merrian-webster, reference.com, and oxford. Even if "few" required it to be 2 (which is does not), I'd still consider that close enough to 2 to not get your panties in a bunch over it.

  5. iPad? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    Using an iPad I don't need any of the features above, HDMI USB et al.

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  6. GPS navigation with no online data? Since 2010 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can already have stand-alone good GPS navigation without data connections. I have been using that for a while on my Android Galaxy S2 phone.
    TomTom. Just pick the map and use it. No online connection needed, it stays in your card and works even if fully firewalled or data-less.

    I also have an updated TomTom standalone unit and it uses exactly the same map version, always updated. So there you go, get an Android tablet and install TomTom 1.1.1+, then navigate.

    Disclaimer: I live in TomTom's country but don't work there or even gife a fuck about them. Just figure'd I'd mention the obvious.

  7. Missing: Infrared Remote Capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the most annoying feature missing on virtually all tablets...

    Tablets are marketed as the "use everywhere, especially in the living room" computer, but still there's no infrared sender in most of them. And if there is, they are lousy and don't reach over two meters (Yes, Sony, i'm talking to you!)

    integrate a good IR diode and make an app capable of Pronto definitions - instand perfect Remote, and even standalone a reason to buy a tablet...

    1. Re:Missing: Infrared Remote Capability by WickedWilly · · Score: 2

      I was looking for that as well and came across http://www.irdroid.com/
      I have no experience further with it.
      Happy New Year!

  8. Bizarro World by Swampash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously. This post is like a snapshot of an alternate universe where the iPad never happened.

    1. Re:Bizarro World by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The iPad doesn't offer any of the features he wants and costs a hell of a lot more than the Nexus 7 he already has.

      iPads are not ideal for watching media on, which seems to be something he wants (hence the need for lots of storage space). The Mini doesn't have an HD screen and you have to transcode everything through iTunes, which lacks hardware acceleration so takes forever.

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  9. Full Sized USB by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    Drop those full size USB ports, and add a (micro) SD card slot.

    I have used full sized usb on a tablet it was the buisness [Toshiba Thrive has one]. Everything I own that plugs into my computer uses Full Sized USB...I'd love the same functionality on my tablet...As well as Several SD card slots..The dimensions that matter are already fixed, 7" [The iPad mini is too big] how thin it is does not matter so much [within reason]. SD and Full sized USB are not mutually exclusive.

  10. Slightly Different Approach by high_rolla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I often like to think about these things in terms of activities or outcomes rather than features. The problem with thinking in terms of features is that you lock yourself into a specific implementation (which is often sub optimal).

    So instead of saying "I need HDMI" I would instead say "I need a dead simple way to have my screen show up on any external screen."
    Now HDMI may in fact be the answer but maybe there is a better way. For instance AppleTV works very nicely for me with all my devices to the TV. I'm not saying we should all install AppleTV's just observing that a wireless solution could be very convenient too. We should explore alternatives rather than just diving into the immediately obvious solution.

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  11. Bigger size... by knisa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd like to see a decent tablet with around a 14" screen. Something that would make reviewing documentation (or sheet music) intended for Letter/A4 sized printouts possible without shrinking it to fit a diminutive screen.

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  12. WIshlist by Murdoch5 · · Score: 2

    For everyone to shut up about tablets. Just buy the tablet you like and don't brag, slam and belittle the tablet market.

  13. Steve Jobs not so right about the size by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    Not so right about the form factor though. The 7" tablet seems to have become the dominant one, without people filing down their fingers :), although attributing Everything to Steve Jobs without acknowledging the natural progression of technology, or what happened before it is ridiculous, or the other people who worked on the iPad. The most remarkable thing about the iPad at launch was its price :) something Apple seem to have forgotten.

  14. I'd settle for a jump drive with a micro-USB jack by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reason you want a full sized USB jack demonstrats where the jump drive market is behind the times. I'd like to see guys like Kingston start putting micro-USB connectors on jump drives.

  15. Meh... by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not too thrilled with most of these ideas. Full-sized USB? That would require it to be awfully thick. I could see some kind of micro-usb port, and if you want you can use and adapter, but I don't mind going over wifi if I need to tranfer data. HDMI? I don't really care. If I want something on my TV, I'm fine with having a set-top box. Stereo recording? I mean... I have a microphone on my tablet. I'm not sure the value in recording in stereo when the two mics are right next to each other, but maybe I'm just ignorant there.

    Mostly, I'd like to see more open platforms for phones and tablets. The fact that I can't just install whatever software I want grates on me a little. I'd like to be able to buy a piece of hardware based on its value, and then install the OS and apps based on their value, instead of buying into a unified platform and being stuck. Though, I can also see the value in having a unified platform. Apple provides great products across the board largely because they're able to control the whole stack. But it'd be nice if I could easily install the latest stock Android on my iPad to check it out, and continue using it if I prefer it.

  16. It's not a toaster. by metrometro · · Score: 2

    [specific computing need] without relying on a 3rd-party app.

    Do you want a computer or an appliance? If you want a computer, install some of that pesky "3rd-party" software and move on.

  17. /. articles cause flashbacks by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Funny

    This article reminds me of the days I would build machines for people that constantly "wanted more". They wanted to be able to stuff every drive they ever owned into it. Then they wanted to have their scanner, printer, phone, 5.25 and 3.5 floppy, and cd player/recoreder attached. Then they wanted the best graphics card for playing games, looking at pictures, watching movies, editing pictures, creating 3d graphis for games, and encoding movies. They wanted the best sound card for games, listening to music, editing music, creating music (which of course meant they needed a way to hook up another slew of midi devices). Then they wanted a web server on it. Then they wanted a database server on it. Then they needed a network card, then two, then bonded interfaces. Ah, fun times.

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  18. Re:Agreed by mobets · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the physical switches and full sized USB and HDMI ports he is asking for, the case will need to be thicker. This should make plenty of room for a battery two or three times bigger. It doesn't sound like weight is an issue for him. The software requests seem reasonable.

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  19. Re:Pen. by rjr162 · · Score: 2

    Galaxy Note line of "phones"/tablets have an awesome pen

  20. My wishlist by DaChesserCat · · Score: 2
    Two apps onscreen at once. You know, like they demo on the Samsung tablets? I want Android to do that on any device. I don't care how fast your software can task switch. I frequently need to pull two apps up side-by-side and compare stuff. Having one completely disappear off the screen makes a smartphone or tablet useless for such things. I don't need a full windowing GUI; two at a time is sufficient.

    Cases with built-in solar cells. I want to be able to lay it on my desk (upside down is fine) or on the dash of my car on a sunny day and have the battery recover.

    The ability for an app to change the device's USB profile:
    • You can get apps which will let you use your smartphone as a touchpad, but you have to run some kind of software on the other machine. I want the ability to fire up an app on my smartphone or tablet, while plugged into another machine's USB port for battery charging, and have the other machine see a USB connected mouse/touchpad without needing to install any specialized software.
    • Ditto for keyboard. I want to be able to use my smartphone's/tablet's voice recognition while connected to a desktop/laptop machine and have the connected machine think that I'm just typing really fast.
    • Ditto for audio input/ouput. I have a headset which connects to my smartphone; why should I have to have another one for my PC/laptop? Again, no special software required on the connected desktop/laptop machine.

    The ability to set proxy server settings on a connection-by-connection basis. If I'm on my home wifi network, I have a caching proxy in place to reduce bandwidth usage and accelerate access. If I'm elsewhere, I don't want to try hitting that proxy server. Just add that to the wifi profile and get on with it. Neither Android nor any version of Linux I've used manages to get this right.

    Array microphones on the device. I want to be able to lay my smartphone/tablet face-down on an table during a meeting and, not only record the voices clearly, but be able to map out, after the fact, who was sitting where and have the recording annotated with who said what. Can't even get an add-on device which can do this.

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  21. Any solution...as long as its from Apple by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    For instance AppleTV works very nicely for me with all my devices to the TV

    The trouble with Apple products is the "just fail" when mixed with any technology other than their own "massively overpriced". None of it uses industry standards, which they think they can just ignore. The reality is there other solutions like uPnP/DNLA, but I wired solution gets rid of the middle man. The reality is a $1 cable works better than *ANY* Apple solution.

  22. Re:Why no iPad user "wish lists"? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

    "And, does anyone actually use Android tablets? All the web usage stats show iOS devices leading by a massive margin.

    What exactly are Android tablets used for? Doorstops?

    They really are useless junk...."

    You may be interested to know that there are far more Android phones in circulation now than iPhones. Also, you have to keep in mind that the Android OS was not adapted for tablets until relatively recently... much later than the release of iOS tablets.

    Given those facts, I think it is just a matter of time until Android dominates the tablet market, too.

    Now, don't misunderstand me: Android does have its faults. Like its default reliance on Google for proper operation (much like iOS reliance on Apple). However, there is a difference: it is possible to disable the Google apps on Android and use 3rd-party applications instead. That is not possible for a lot of functionality in iOS.

  23. 7 inch tablets... by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The larger tablets have been too big for me. I waited until the 7/8 inch ones came out. I played with a Google Nexus 7 for a while but decided for my use cases the iPad Mini would be more suitable. Using your wish-list...

    1) Tomtom app for iPad - Doesn't need a network connection.

    2) Open Streetmap clients are out there. An update tool is just software.

    3) Why the hell do you want a full size USB. They're *HUGE*. The iPad Mini is only about 5 mm thick in total. It has lightning which is a USB host. I would like Apple to support more devices on it. SD card and USB storage devices have limited support.

    4) I love the thumb keyboard you get by 'splitting' the keyboard. On the Mini it works really well with everything easily accessible. I would imaging its a bit big on a full sized iPad. I have a bluetooth apple keyboard for various uses and with the iPad it works really well. Its a bit bigger than you want to carry around normally but quite light. (http://www.cyberspice.org.uk/blog/2012/12/29/apple-bluetooth-keyboard-and-ipad/)

    5) Since I live in Northern Europe. I've not really had a chance to use it outside in daylight :-D

    6) "Hardware" toggles aren't really physical switches in the connection. They're still just switches that toggle GPIOs. Easily over-ridden in software if you want to. Having the slide switch on the iPad more configurable would be nice.

    7) HDMI connector? Wires, how retro! Again the lightning connector supports this functionality via an adapter. Like the USB connector an HDMI connector is quite large and not everyone will want one. The current use of adapters on both IOS and Android tablets is a better solution. However I use Airplay via an AppleTV to watch movies and play games on my TV. Works nicely with Netflix, iTunes, and BBC iPlayer.

    8) Stereo record is another function that not everyone needs so why build it in if you don't need it. Android tablets with a USB host should be able to support it via a dongle.

    9) The bright LED is something missing from the iPad Mini. The iPhone has it but not the iPad Mini.

    10) To be honest I'm not worried about supporting multiple OSes. If I wanted that I would have a laptop (which I do). The iPad is something I can carry in my handbag and pull out when I need a web browser, e-mail, to SSH in to something or what ever...

    A lot of the wish list is possible now with at least one of the available tablet types. The requirement for things like full sized sockets and the like kind of defeats the whole purpose of the small, light, thin, tablet and is missing the point.

    1. Re:7 inch tablets... by tepples · · Score: 2

      lightning

      Now you have to include the price of all the dongles in the total cost of ownership, and you can't use more than one at the same time except for the $99 Wi-Fi-to-HDMI adapter (Apple TV) that only works with Apple products.

      To be honest I'm not worried about supporting multiple OSes. If I wanted that I would have a laptop (which I do).

      The problem here is that ASUS and Acer just announced that they stopped making laptops with a 10 inch screen as of today.

      The requirement for things like full sized sockets and the like kind of defeats the whole purpose of the small, light, thin, tablet and is missing the point.

      What if you don't care so much about thin?

  24. Re:Why no iPad user "wish lists"? by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    Because there's only one item on any true iFan's wish list: I wish I wasn't overdrawn at the bank so I could put another iShiny on my credit card!

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  25. Onboard GPS maps by subreality · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can have it today. Navfree or Osmand if you want the free route; Sygic has a paid app; I'm sure there are others.

    Of course you'll lose out on all the things that make Google maps nifty: good search, traffic, rich POI data, etc, but the basic functionality works fine offline.

  26. It is Off-topic, but... by tuppe666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple didn't forget it, it's just they have painted themselves into a corner. With no new magic products of any significance to pick up....

    ...seriously are you kidding me, Steve Jobs was simply wrong. Apple launched the iPad mini Late though incompetence or profit chasing [I think both]with a overpriced/underspecced product its a saturated and proven small tablet market of great innovative products [I own the Nexus 7] it was the first time I have seem news sites compare an Apple product. Apple is now just another electronics company and this product refresh was its turning point.

  27. Stick with your day job by silverhalide · · Score: 2

    While some "neat to have" features, you cobbled together your feature list without considering the tradeoffs they bring. All of these features have been considered by product managers and cut for good reason.

    Since you haven't owned an iPad, I'm guessing you're more price sensitive. Most of your features will add cost, size, reduce battery life, and will give you little daily benefit.

    - Full-sized USB ports - tablet is too thick, heavy and added cost. Also, to support devices like USB sticks, you have to add USB Host support to the device, which requires adding a 5V power supply output to the device, most expensive/power hungry USB host silicon/IP, and a large USB host driver stack that requires lots of software maintenance.
    - Full-sized HDMI connector - added cost and thickness.
    - Stereo Mics - nobody cares, added cost, and they don't work well in a thin form factor - generally for field recording you want cardioid-type mics which are larger, but more directional.
    - Hardware radio toggles - nobody cares, added cost, confusion (which switch does what by feel?!) and the functionality is already deployable through corporate policies on some ecosystems.
    - Offline maps - There are plenty of offline GPS apps available for existing ecosystems - TomTom, NavFree, and Garmin come to mind without even searching. This feature is best left to companies who know what they are doing in this space. If it's standard, you have to have more storage standard on your device which raises cost. Whatever you deploy won't be nearly as good as Google Maps anyway and will be useless in a few years once the data goes stale and you are too lazy to do the update process.
    - Pixel Qi or whatever screen tech du jour - These will come naturally once they are better, cheaper, more manufacturable, and lower power than the existing crop of LCD displays. The current crop of screens, at least on the high end devices like iPad are readable enough in full sunlight so it's not a big pain point.
    - Alternative OS support - Who cares? Tablets are not computers. Apple was the first company to understand this and this is why the iPad was so devastatingly successful. They are devices that perform functions. Use a computer if you need something that's flexible and programmable. Adding alternative OS support adds MILLIONS in software support costs, and you're not going to sell that many more tablets as a result.

  28. Re:I'd settle for a jump drive with a micro-USB ja by phizi0n · · Score: 2

    Then you would need a dongle to plug it into most everything that isn't a portable device and it would be easier to damage to the port. Micro usb is okay for charging but I really don't want to plug anything into it a portable device's micro usb port because it's likely to get snagged accidentally thus putting pressure on the port. Full sized ports are more rugged.

  29. All I want is a stnadard charge port! by Pontiac · · Score: 2

    I have 4 tablets at home and not one uses a standard mini or micro USB to charge the damn thing.

    Xoom has a Mini usb port but won't charge from it. all the others have proprietary cables.

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    1. Re:All I want is a stnadard charge port! by bfandreas · · Score: 2

      A lot of tablets charge at 15V while USB only supplies 5V.

      Those tablets need 15V to charge. Here's what ASUS did:
      They have a charger/USB cable and a charger that has a USB socket in it. Those silly buggers crossed a couple of wires in their USB cable. If they are crossed, the charger will supply 15V. If they aren't, then it will supply 5V. But you sure can't connet the ASUS tablet to an USB port on your PC and expect it to charge from that.

      The XOOM is at least a bit more honest in that. And it has a dedicated charging port that does not do anything but charge. So it isn't a 30pin monstrosity as you get on other devices. I do love me a simple plug as is used by any other 15V charger out there.

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  30. Juggling physical media vs. mobile broadband by tepples · · Score: 2

    Nobody wants having to juggle physical media in an ideal world. But given the choice between that and having to pay $600 per year for the ability to reach the cloud while away from a Wi-Fi hotspot, I guess frugal people who commute or travel will choose the 32 GB cards.

  31. Re:Art tablet by Zero_DgZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This exists. Thinkpad X series tablets. End of discussion. Toshiba/Acer/Asus/Panasonic/Everybody/Their Dog also makes some version, or did in the past.

    Mine has a Wacom Stylus, pressure sensitive, multiple buttons, actual keyboard, close(r) to 4:3 aspect ratio, (it's actually 16:10; 16:12 = 4:3), asinine long battery life, covered in USB ports, available with massive hard drive/RAM amounts, comes with a docking station, runs regular old Windows. (Also runs later versions of Ubuntu pretty good.) Mine is new enough to have a finger-touchable screen as well as the Wacom stylus. Physically punching the OK button on error dialogs is an experience that cannot be beat.

    Used ones can be had with 4:3 screens, if you want to troll eBay for one. They're cheaper, too.

  32. Re:Which computer? by silverhalide · · Score: 2

    Macbook Air.

  33. Re:You can check out any time you like AND leave by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    You can leave at any time by jailbreaking.

    No you can't. Sometimes there's a delay between when a particular combination of device+PhoneOS is released and the coresponding hack. Plus once you've jailbroken, you are frozen on that release of the OS. You can't update because you'll be unjailbroken again. There might not be a suitable re-jailbreak yet. The world starts to pass you buy as new apps are released that don't support your phone anymore.

    What you are advocating doesn't fit in well with the expectations of the platform or it's developers.

    Plus, jailbreaking resides in a legal grey area that would get you crucified by Apple fanboys if it were for any purpose that didn't suit iCult marketing.

    None of it makes any sense for the sort of "non-geek" user that Apple devices are supposed to be targeted at.

    Why bother? Just buy something else. Use something that doesn't involve a company and user community that has no respect for you.

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  34. Re:Art tablet by tverbeek · · Score: 2

    You managed to completely fail to understand everything I wrote. The programs I mentioned are not mouse-and-keyboard software, and they damn well aren't touch-screen software. They are software that was designed to be used with a pressure-sensitive stylus, and would work so much better with a larger screen than most tablets have.

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  35. Re:Maps by hazem · · Score: 2

    I've been using NavFree USA on my Nexus and it seems like a decent program. I don't know why he has a problem with 3rd party programs.

    With this one, you download entire maps for entire states. It even seems to do a nice job with navigation. The only downside that I can see so far is that it's not aware of stores and such. It can navigate from here to 3rd & Main, but it doesn't know where Fry's is.

    At work, I have a Lenovo "convertible" laptop that has a stylus for the touch-screen (finger works too). You can write and it will do OCR, but it seemed more like a toy functionality and the novelty wore off after about an hour.

  36. Re:Sticker shock by cbhacking · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where does this ludicrous claim that Windows RT doesn't support sideloading keep coming from on here? I could vaguely understand it amongst the luddite community, but I expect better of Slashdot.

    I've got a Surface RT (through work) and it has three sideloaded apps on it right now: one that I'm developing, one that somebody else developed and offered me for pre-release testing, and one that can be simply downloaded off of XDA-Developers and which completely breaks the restrictions on what you are allowed to do with a "Windows Store" app (it allows executing unsigned command-line apps on the desktop, after recompiling them for ARM).

    Instructions for how to sideload using a developer account are published on Microsoft.com, and the account is free.

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  37. Here's my one wish for tablets. by Chas · · Score: 2

    That the owners stop trying to replace productivity stations like desktops and workstations with tablets.

    While based on similar-to-identical hardware, their usage and productivity profiles are COMPLETELY different.

    Windows 8 is one of the bastardized expressions of this desire to "unify" a productivity device (laptop/workstation) with a dedicated media consumption device (a tablet).

    Is it REALLY all that surprising that the results suck so badly?

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  38. Did you actually read that article you linked? by cbhacking · · Score: 2

    Umm... are you just really phenomenally bad at reading comprehension, or actually trolling? To quote the entire paragraph you extracted that quote from:

    Apple has perhaps the most famously restrictive app store. When you sign up for a developer account you're allowed to push out builds of apps that you write to up to 100 devices. But you categorically cannot run production apps in this mode -- you can only allow testing.

    Emphasis mine. What does the awful state of sideloading on Apple devices have to do with Microsoft or Windows RT? Microsoft may *prefer* people to use the "official" sideloading channel (which requires a paid license and top-down control) instead of developer license sideloading, but they don't enforce that in any way, and they even take the time to point out that dev licensing can be used to install untrusted apps:

    If you acquire and run Windows Store apps from sources other than the Windows Store, take the same precautions you normally do when acquiring desktop apps from the web.

    So far as I can tell, the only "abuse" that MS actually cares about is piracy of paid apps. This was a problem on Windows Phone, even with the much more-restrictive developer registration (paid account required for most users, limit 10 sideloaded apps unless you hacked it), and is expressly called out as something that a dev license can be revoked for (although, so what if they do; you can get another, for free, at any time). After all, an app which goes behind the WinRT API's back to find the NtCreateProcess system call (CreateProcess isn't supposed to be available) using techniques most commonly observed in malware, and then uses that to launch unsigned desktop-mode applications... well, that's pretty far from a "legit" use of a developer license, but it's exactly the kind of thing that people *should* be allowed to do via sideloading if they want to, and it works fine*.

    * For loose values of "fine" - the unsigned native EXE still runs in the AppContainer sandbox, which severely constrains what it can do. Still, if you statically link everything and are careful about the ACLs, it works.

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