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Apple Files Patent For "Active Stylus" For Use With Capacitive Touchscreens

MojoKid writes "Apple may be looking to improve upon the stylus as we know it today. The Cupertino company filed a patent application with the USPTO for what it calls an 'Active Stylus,' which can be used on capacitive touch sensor panels like those found on the iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch devices. 'Unlike conventional styluses which work passively by blocking electric field lines between the drive and sense electrodes of a capacitive touch sensor panel, the styluses disclosed in the various embodiments of this disclosure can either act as a drive electrode to create an electric field between the drive electrode and the sense lines of a mutual capacitive touch sensor panel, or as a sense electrode for sensing capacitively coupled signals from one or more stimulated drive rows and columns of the touch sensor panel or both.' According to Apple, active styluses allow for more accurate input without driving up cost."

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  1. I remember those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When my grandparents were alive they had a box with one of those.
    It was made for teaching people traffic signs. You put an overlay on it and used the active stylus to touch one of the alternatives and the box would indicate green or red light depending on your answer.

  2. Call me dumb... by mlts · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of the old IBM light pens of yore... I really don't see much difference between this and those, or the wired pens that were used on old Gridpads in the early 1990s.

    What is old is new again, I guess.

    1. Re:Call me dumb... by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not so much want it old is new again as much as what was already invented has been slightly modified and swallowed by the patent glutton that is apple. Let the lawsuits begin!

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    2. Re:Call me dumb... by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      This actually reminds me of a decade old piece of military equipment- think of a ruggedized, 2" thick tablet with a 3" screen. The 'neat' thing with the stylus for this device is that it doesn't actually have to touch the screen to work. Note: It's completely insensitive to fingers and such, you have to use the stylus, but that might be some sort of sensitivity setting.

      Plenty of prior art, I think.

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    3. Re:Call me dumb... by alen · · Score: 5, Informative

      this is for capacitive screens

      you seem to not get the concept of patents. you can't patent an idea of a stylus but a specific implementation of it. in this case using a different type of stylus on a specific type of screen

      yes we have had these before, but this one is different. just like we've had 100 years of the combustion engine but car makers still get patents every year because they find new ways to squeeze more efficiency out of them.

    4. Re:Call me dumb... by hawguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      This actually reminds me of a decade old piece of military equipment- think of a ruggedized, 2" thick tablet with a 3" screen. The 'neat' thing with the stylus for this device is that it doesn't actually have to touch the screen to work. Note: It's completely insensitive to fingers and such, you have to use the stylus, but that might be some sort of sensitivity setting.

      Plenty of prior art, I think.

      It reminds me of a centuries old piece of equipment called a "Pencil". They were heavily used while I was in school before being replaced by newer, sleeker technology. It was pressure sensitive, and though it would work on a multidue of surfaces, it worked best only on a specially formulated screen that we called "paper". Different styluses could be used for different effects (colors, darkness/thickness of lines, etc), but most people used the plain old #2. By inverting the stylus, it had some limited "undo" capability, but there were some ghosting artifacts left behind and excessive undo use could lead to screen damage.

    5. Re:Call me dumb... by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      It reminds me of a centuries old piece of equipment called a "Pencil". They were heavily used while I was in school before being replaced by newer, sleeker technology.

      They were replaced by newer tech because the price of the batteries you needed to keep them running was much higher than a complete new pencil. That meant most people simply threw them away when they were "empty". With newer LiPo batteries and lower power devices, it might be interesting to recreate these devices in rechargeable versions.

    6. Re:Call me dumb... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So it is either too specific to be worth anything (since there are already lots of capacitative styli available for phones and tablets) or the patent office granted yet another overly broad patent on something that was invented years ago.

      Either way we lose.

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    7. Re:Call me dumb... by Shagg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      you can't patent an idea

      That's the theory, but it doesn't seem to be enforced much.

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    8. Re:Call me dumb... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I stand under correction here but I'm under the impression that the motor industry doesn't bother with patents much. I don't remember who told me that or where I heard it so I can't really substantiate it...

      Not sure who you heard it from. It's false.

      In fact, one of the biggest Supreme Court decisions on patents in recent years, KSR v. Teleflex, was about patents around gas pedal sensors.

    9. Re:Call me dumb... by mikael · · Score: 2

      Touch tablets have been around for ages. 8-bit home computers could always be connected to an RS-232 graphics tablet.
      Atari 800 had a touch tablet with Atari Paint. Wacom tablets have a stylus systems that is pressure and tilt/orientation sensitive.

      Palm pilot allowed you to enter letters using a unique shorthand squiggle shape for each letter. It was quite effective and allowed you to take notes as
      someone was speaking. Though, these days it's quicker just to record audio.

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    10. Re:Call me dumb... by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      "It reminds me of a centuries old piece of equipment called a "Pencil"."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Pencil

  3. now with Auto-Loss (tm)! by swschrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    (6951a) Application also defines a new stylus feature, in which the apparatus for holding stylus will either randomly release the stylus, or actively eject the stylus, depending on how important it would be in selection of one of the next features of software (see 976 d,e,g,zz et al) that may come up. Application claims trademark on the definition of this feature, Auto-Loss (tm), which is filed under separate registration for protection.

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  4. First Touchscreen Laptops, Now This? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would say that St. Jobs must be rotating furiously in his grave by now, but I think the fact that this "innovation" is yet another example of Apple patenting stuff that already exists is probably enough to ease his restless spirit...

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  5. Where do I stand in line to buy one? by howardd21 · · Score: 2

    I am bundling up and heading out! Which line do I stand in to buy one?

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    1. Re:Where do I stand in line to buy one? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      The one marked "people who could not be bothered to order online stand here".

  6. There's a claim in there about IQ Mod/Demod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In a third embodiment, in-phase/quadrature (IQ) demodulation at the sensor can be performed to circumvent the synchronization issue in a touch sensitive system where the stylus can act as a drive electrode. FIG. 6 illustrates exemplary sense circuitry 610. The sense circuitry 610 can sense a capacitance from conductive elements of a touch sensor panel that are capacitively coupled to the stylus. The stylus sensing circuitry 610 can include amplifier 670 to receive the capacitance reading from the panel, clock 640 to generate a demodulation signal, phase shifter 645 to generate a phase-shifted demodulation signal, mixer 633 to demodulate the capacitance reading with an in-phase demodulation frequency component, and mixer 687 to demodulate the capacitance reading with a quadrature demodulation frequency component. The demodulated results (i.e., the in-phase component 643 and the quadrature component 697) can then be used to determine an amplitude proportional to the capacitance. Essentially, IQ demodulation can eliminate the need to phase-synchronize the drive signal from the stylus and the output signal from the touch sensor panel. However, frequency matching may still be required in this embodiment so that the stylus can be driving at the same frequency at which the touch sensor panel is listening.

    Did they really just sneak a claim for IQ mod/demod in there? Something just about every single SDR uses and I'm sure plenty of other active receiver transmitter architectures use.

  7. cost not going up by P-niiice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "According to Apple, active styluses allow for more accurate input without driving up cost."

    Yes, cost, but not price. That's going to be driven up quite nicely, thank you.

  8. No by oGMo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Galaxy Note series use Wacom technology which, according to Wikipedia, was patented and is now expired. This is separate from the touchscreen, and provides stuff like pressure, tilt, and multi-device support (though I'm not sure if the latter is supported on Samsung devices). In short, it works really well, it's well-proven, and it's not patentable.

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    1. Re:No by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      After all these years, I thought I'd finally get a digital sketchbook that didn't weigh a ton like my (very very old) Stylistic tablet. And it turns out there's no decent sketchbook Apps. The closest would have been Sketchbook Pro (Autodesk) which was the first I looked at, since the windows version was great, but for some reason, it didn't even support little "features" like adjustable orientation (landscape only, nonetheless, making it fun to hold steady in one hand....)

      It was ridiculous. And without my sketchbook hopes, it was way too underpowered for the price, so I had to return it.

      Offtopic, I know, go ahead and mod me down. I'm just still bummed out that my Xmas gift to myself failed. :P

  9. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did those things have an Apple logo on them?

    Nope.

    Therefore, they are NOT the same.

    Were the light pens called "iPen" or "iGridPad"?

    Nope.

    Therefore, they are NOT the same.

    Were those things stole....created with the divine direction of St. Steve Jobs?

    Nope.

    It's NOT the same!

    It's new and different.

  10. Do those require power? by Improv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the nice things about the Wacom tablets (typing this while looking into a 21" Wacom Cintiq) is that the stylus doesn't require any power. A quick glance at the patent application above has me seeing "power source" in the pen. I'm not that enthused.

    I realise my Cintiq is damned expensive so the criticism above might not apply fully, but I don't feel I'm losing out on accuracy with my non-"Active Stylus" device.

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    1. Re:Do those require power? by FrankSchwab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A company I used to work for lost a patent battle with Wacom about those self-powered pens. We ended up having to use powered pens to avoid their patent.

      The whole field of digitizers - which grew up in the '70s and reached it's peak in the '80s and is used now in devices like the Smart board (http://smarttech.com/smartboard) - explored active stylii extensively. RF, Capacitive, and Resistive digitizers were all invented, explored, patented in those eras. It would be very surprising if this invention doesn't duplicate patents that issued thirty years ago.

      Innovation, indeed.

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  11. Wii uDraw is prior art by ichthus · · Score: 2

    Prior art here

    The uDraw is capacitive, not resistive. I know, because I work for the company whose capacitive ASIC is in the uDraw.

    Also, anyone who's signed their signature at a point of sale terminal (credit card swipe machines in grocery/hardware stores) that isn't resistive, has seen prior art.

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  12. And they'll name it by ByteSlicer · · Score: 2

    iLiner

  13. Why do you need a stylus? by MrBippers · · Score: 2

    When you can just use a sausage.