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That Link You Just Posted Could Cost You 300 Euros

Nate the greatest writes "Do you like to tweet or share links to interesting news articles? According to a coalition of Irish newspapers, that makes you a pirate. The National Newspapers of Ireland has adopted a new policy. Any website which links to one of the 15 NNI member newspapers will have to pay a minimum of 300 Euros, with the license fee going up if you post more links. Note that this is not a fee to post an excerpt or some punitive measure for the copying of an entire article. No, the NNI wants to charge for links alone. It's almost as if this organization has no idea how the web works. Or maybe they have found an elaborate way to commit suicide."

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  1. Here's a link for all of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.nni.ie/v2/broad/index.php
    And yes, I'm truly an anonymous coward.

    1. Re:Here's a link for all of them by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The notion is that the owner of the website would have to pay for such links... It would be up to the website to extract payment from its users... Which, in the case if one that permits anonymous comments, is not possible, and the website would assume liability.

      it's absurd, and can't be enforced outside of their own jurisdiction.

    2. Re:Here's a link for all of them by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, they can say what they like on their web site's terms and conditions, like:

      "Hypertext links to this website by other users and websites are permitted provided that the link to this website is in a simple list of companies by pointing to Goreyguardian.ie's home page http://www.goreyguardian.ie./ This limited licence entitles other users and websites to link to Goreyguardian.ie's home page only, and linking to other content on or information in this website is prohibited without Goreyguardian.ie's express written consent. "

      That doesn't make it enforceable law, though.

    3. Re:Here's a link for all of them by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      I doubt it can be enforced anywhere. It's a policy made by a group of organizations, and has as much legal status as you and I deciding that ginger chicks have to flop their norks out if we whistle the first line of "Dixie".

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    4. Re:Here's a link for all of them by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why are you posting links to these jackasses? If they want to vanish into obscurity because nobody is permitted to link to (a.k.a. mention) them, why not let them die?

    5. Re:Here's a link for all of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      http://www.nni.ie/v2/broad/index.php
      And yes, I'm truly an anonymous coward.

      Best look out for email from one of these addresses (from nni.ie):
      NNI People

      Matt Dempsey - Chairman
      - no email provided -

      Frank Cullen - Co-Ordinating Director
      fcullen@cullencommunications.ie

      Ann Marie Lenihan - Communications and Public Affairs Manager
      amlenihan@cullencommunications.ie

      Anna Clarke - Advertising and Marketing Manager
      aclarke@cullencommunications.ie

      Enda Buckley - Environment Officer
      ebuckley@cullencommunications.ie

    6. Re:Here's a link for all of them by Spectre · · Score: 4, Funny

      [...] has as much legal status as you and I deciding that ginger chicks have to flop their norks out if we whistle the first line of "Dixie".

      Finally, legislation I can agree with!

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    7. Re:Here's a link for all of them by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... and I deciding that ginger chicks have to ...

      Please understand what you are saying.

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    8. Re:Here's a link for all of them by Pieroxy · · Score: 5, Informative

      We'll show them the light ! Here they are, all of them in all their glory:

      http://www.independent.ie/
      http://www.irishexaminer.com/
      http://www.irishtimes.com/
      http://www.thestar.ie/
      http://www.herald.ie/
      http://www.independent.ie/
      http://www.sundayworld.com/
      http://www.businesspost.ie/
      http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/fr/viewer.aspx (they don't even have a website, how funny)
      http://www.farmersjournal.ie/
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
      http://www.mirror.co.uk/
      http://www.thesun.ie/
      http://www.mirror.co.uk/
      http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/
      http://www.thesun.co.uk/

      Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

    9. Re:Here's a link for all of them by Cederic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not least because I haven't read their terms and conditions, and can link to their site without doing so.

      If they don't want it linked, they shouldn't respond to HTTP requests.

    10. Re:Here's a link for all of them by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the solution is to tell them to go fuck themselves. They haven't got a leg to stand on.

  2. Link please by DarthBling · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody have a link to one of the 15 NNI member newspapers?

  3. Well that's easy by Lorens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google won't want to pay, so Google won't post a link to their sites. Ever. Anywhere.

    1. Re:Well that's easy by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, they waited for the Belgians to waffle.

  4. Re:Those who forget the past... by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Bigger entities have tried going after google only to fail, google can just exclude the links, or if worse comes to worse blacklist Ireland (not likely they have tax entities there I think)

    2. The only point of this article I really care about is that they're lobbying for this, which doesn't mean shit usually no idea how this made the news.

    3. By doing this they'd encourage people to copy paste their articles, strip out the sources, possibly change some wording and republish, at least with links they get web traffic for ads.

  5. Re:Rubbish - If it's on the web by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its definable, not necessarily linkable, beyond the domain name.

    Its pretty trivial to make a dynamic website, for the sake of example, moronirishnewspaper.com and all the links on that are random numbers which are mapped to the the real story. Then every minute or whatever add new links and destroy the links that are more than 30 minutes old. So MIN.com/123456.html points to the most recent blarney competition, but in an hour, that URL will be deleted and/or repointed to goatse or whatever instead of the original story.

    One amusing thing you can do, if you rotate every minute and keep the last 60 links around for an hour, is trivially analyze how long someone's been on the site and/or how long between clicks. You can also get all "top sekrit" security by obscurity and give different random number links to each subscriber, so if you see a link out in the wild, you know exactly who released it and when and what it was linked to. Other than that, it is a pretty moronic stunt or experiment. Why yes, I have done some pretty bizarre things solely for the F of it in the past 20 years.

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  6. Hell, I'm impressed by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm just impressed they were able to sober up enough to write the stories in the first place. They must have rounded up all five sober people in Dublin to pull that off.

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  7. Get rich quick by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their next scheme: billboards covered with giant tarps. You have to pay them to unroll the tarp and show you the ad. Brilliant!

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  8. Car analogy by Andrio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like a car dealership sueing anyone that shares the street address of the car dealership.

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  9. NNI's submission to Copyright Review by qwe4rty · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was skeptical when I first read this submission so I did some digging around and found the National Newspapers of Ireland's submission to the Copyright Review Committee here. I'm dumbfounded

    The Consultation Paper, at page 48, briefly discusses the issue of linking and goes on to provide for a proposed amendment to existing copyright legislation to provide that the offering of a link on a page on the internet is not an infringement of copyright law. The underlying rationale set out by the Consultation Paper in this section is misconceived and we do not accept as being based on fact.

    Section 6.3 of the Consultation Paper provides that Courts, (although it does not specify which Courts) are increasingly concluding that a link, by itself, should never be seen as a publication, reproduction or communication of the content to which it refers, even where that content is an infringement of copyright. The NNI takes serious exception to the statement included in the Consultation Paper that “the fact that links make access to that content straightforward does not change the reality that a link, by itself, is content neutral.” "

    It is the view of NNI that a link to copyright material does constitute infringement of copyright, and would be so found by the Courts.

    Just when you thought people couldn't get any stupider...

  10. Well duh? by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's almost as if this organization has no idea how the web works.

    Wow, they sound like people from that old and expensive form of media.
    You know, those things that are all dying out because they're no longer needed?
    Hmm, what were they called again?

    According to a coalition of Irish newspapers

    Ohh, that's right, newspapers! Haha, man, that sure takes me back.

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  11. NNI should be the liable party by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they don't want people linking to them, the should set up an Apache Redirect Rule for all Get Requests that have a Foreign site as the Referrer.

    Silencing free speech and expression with lawsuits when you can easily curtail that behavior on your own should be seen as unconscionable and any such lawsuit dismissed, with any fees associated in the defense against those claims rewarded to the defendant.

  12. And your reply to such a demand? by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Sir,

    Thank you for your invoice # 88266 for the sum of 300 Euros.

    This has been forwarded to our accounting department who have informed me that as of today, your account is now 30 Euro in debt, being calculated as follows:

    Opening balance: 0.00
    -
    Your Inv# 88266: -300.00
    Handling fee: 150.00
    Processing fee: 120.00
    Account setup fee: 60.00
    -
    Closing balance: 30.00

    Please remit your payment for 30.00 Euro within 7 days to avoid legal action.

    We thank you for your business and trust you will continue to trade with us.

    Regards
    F.U Assole
    President, Don't Mess With Us Inc

  13. Re:Here's a link for all of them (whispering) by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

    I am a Prince in Nairobi and we whispered your name in the limousine. We want to send you the money we owe you. Could you please send us your bank routing number and signature so we can do so?

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