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TSA 'Secured' Metrodome During Recent Football Game

McGruber writes "Travel writer Christopher Elliott touches down with the news that the U.S. Transportation Security Administration was spotted standing around outside a recent American football game between the Minnesota Vikings and the Green Bay Packers (picture). According to Mr. Elliott, the 'TSA goes to NFL games and political conventions and all kinds of places that have little or nothing to do with ... travel. It even has a special division called VIPR — an unfortunate acronym for Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response team — that conducts these searches.' He continues, 'As far as I can tell, TSA is just asking questions at this point. "Data and results collected through the Highway BASE program will inform TSA's policy and program initiatives and allow TSA to provide focused resources and tools to enhance the overall security posture within the surface transportation community," it says in the filing. But they wouldn't be wasting our money asking such questions unless they planned to aggressively expand VIPR at some point in the near future. And that means TSA agents at NFL games, in subways and at the port won't be the exception anymore — they will be the rule.'"

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  1. TSA at Every Home by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It won't be long before there is a TSA agent posted at every home, to interview its occupants before they are allowed to leave.

    1. Re:TSA at Every Home by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, you're going to the movie theatre? Didn't you say you were a student? How is a student able to afford gasoline and movie tickets?

      (I have actually been asked by a TSA agent how I was able to afford airline tickets.)

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    2. Re:TSA at Every Home by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...actually, being a Canadian, I started giving my life story until she told me to shut up. I think the only thing people can really do to defend themselves against the TSA is to waste the agency's time.

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  2. Your papers, please... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not far off.

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  3. Re:Nazi America by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not just get it over with and change your flag to the swastika, we all know that's where this is heading.

    Well, I think the first step is to change their uniform shirts to a sort of a chocolate brown color, that has a "calming" effect...

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  4. Bureaucracy tending towards opression... by ericloewe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's time for the US to get rid of the TSA, which has caught no terrorists, foiled no plots, cost millions, irradiated thousands with backscatter x-ray scanners, has stolen quite a few personal items and is actively trying to expand its sphere of influence.

    Replace it with common sense and profile people. That's how airprort security works, not by wasting millions of dollars.

    1. Re:Bureaucracy tending towards opression... by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good luck finding a politician willing to commit career suicide by dissolving the TSA.

      Even in the extremely unlikely event that it's seen as a popular move with the electorate as a whole, do you really think all the campaign contributors with financial interests in the TSA supply chain would let them get re-elected?

  5. At least it will create jobs. by khasim · · Score: 5, Informative

    My biggest problem is that the TSA has not caught a single terrorist yet.

    Everything they do and all the money they spend has accomplished NOTHING except to harass regular people.

    1. Re:At least it will create jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're seeing an erosion of our freedom and privacy and your problem is that they just haven't caught a terrorist yet? Does that imply that there actions will be justified if they do? Would it therefore make more sense to give them even MORE power and take away even more personal liberty if that helps and leads to catching terrorists?

    2. Re:At least it will create jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Ahh, not a bear in sight. The bear patrol must be working like a charm."

    3. Re:At least it will create jobs. by 0111+1110 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it would merely indicate that a non-lazy terrorist finally got his shit together and blew something up. Damn lazy terrorists. They are so soft and lazy they may as well not even exist. Oh wait...

      If we had lots and lots of attacks on non-aviation or non-transportation targets or in the airport security lines themselves then you would have some evidence of a deterrence effect. So far you've got nothing more effective than a magic anti-tiger rock. Except that an anti-tiger rock won't cost you 7.85 billion USD per year. Of course if you wan't to pay that much I could sell you one. After all, you get what you pay for so my 8 billion dollar anti-tiger rock will be way more effective than one you found on the side of the road or whatever. Personally, I would feel just as safe if the US purchased an 8 billion dollar anti-terrorist rock and then dissolved the TSA. It would save taxpayers and travelers a whole lot of money in the long run as well since the rock is just a one time purchase.

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    4. Re:At least it will create jobs. by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If they stopped a bomb/terrorist attack every day, I might be willing to put up with the erosion. As the actual rate is, at this point, somewhere below a thousandth of that, we could suffer a 9/11 attack something like once every 3 years and STILL be better off without the TSA.

      Some practical changes like the reinforced doors make sense. Combined with the attitude changes of the passangers and that threat has already been pretty well remediated.

      Making us take off our shoes and go though the x-ray scanners as opposed to a simple metal detector is overkill.

      The TSA is practicing risk avoidance, not risk management. The military learned that lesson over 30 years ago. It simply costs too much to avoid ALL risk; you end up not being able to do anything. Thus, you manage the risk - don't take stupid chances, but don't fret over extremely unlikely events, out of proportion of the damage it could cause. The underwear and shoe bombs were too small to have any realistic chances of taking the plane down. Ergo, they could have done as much or more damage in the waiting line at the TSA. More, if they turned it into a proper suicide vest with fragmentation additives. Or at a mall or some such.

      Risk management is simple in theory. You look at the risk - the chance that it will happen as a percentage, and the average damage it would cost. If mitigating the risk would cost more than the damage multiplied by the chance it'll happen, then you don't perform that mitigation.

      That's the simple type, of course. Some mitigations fix multiple risks, for example. Armored windows that will stop a gunshot also tend to be rather overkill for hurricane/tornado, after all. Vehicle barriers not only stop vehicle bombs, they stop drunk drivers. Etc...

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  6. Hey Republican Congress! by Rougement · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're looking for spending cuts to balance tax increases? I think I just found one!

  7. Hey TSA: Fuck off by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You provide little actual security within your primary area of focus. Confinscating water bottles, nail clippers, groping little boys and girls, strip-searching people and putting unsolicited fingers on and in their privates, and using technology that your own people are now developing cancer from being near. You talk about terrorist threats, but how many terrorists have gotten away with irradiating our citizens? How many terrorists have stolen millions in camcorders, cell phones, and other electronics? How many terrorists have smuggled drugs onto commercial airlines? And the real kicker: Compared to those numbers, how many TSA agents have been caught doing the same?

    You bring a level of institutional incompetence to the show that makes the current fiscal cliff negotiations look like someone forgetting to give the change back after buying a candy bar... you're overpriced, underwhelming, and frankly... the "cure" you provide is worse than the disease. And the only reason the TSA hasn't been drop-kicked out the door is because the media keeps people in perpetual ignorance of just how incompetent you guys truly are.

    So when you come into my town and say "this will be the norm", I can't help but wonder how long until nobody flies, goes to public events, or even leaves their fucking house-- not because of terrorists, but because of the inconvenience of having to deal with your bullshit. Your organization is incompetent and useless. Go away.

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    1. Re:Hey TSA: Fuck off by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

      You provide little actual security within your primary area of focus. Confiscating water bottles...

      That's pretty much it right there. The NFL probably saw what a great job they did at preventing outside beverages inside airport security, and how much better the overpriced food vendors inside security are doing as a result, and they're probably hoping that the TSA can repeat that success at their establishment.

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  8. Re:Nazi America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not just get it over with and change your flag to the swastika, we all know that's where this is heading.

    Well, I think the first step is to change their uniform shirts to a sort of a chocolate brown color, that has a "calming" effect...

    I think they may have all ready deployed their troops - look closely, the next time you THINK you see a UPS man.

  9. Re:Nazi America by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Funny

    One night it will all crystallize, and you can all see where its heading...

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  10. Re:Nazi America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How was this marked troll? This is making it look like the US is gifting itself with a third, politically inspired police corps. Just like the SS.

  11. Re:Nazi America by crazycheetah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Americans are mostly supportive of these security measures since they overwhelmingly voted for either Republican or Democrat

    You're forgetting the part where most Americans are brainwashed into thinking that the only point that their vote is going to do any good (or bad for that matter) is if they vote Republican or Democrat. I keep meeting more and more people that hate both parties but vote for them, because "there's no other choice that's not throwing my vote away!" There's a pretty good chunk of people in the US right now that despise our government and are trying all kind of different means outside of starting a revolution to correct it. Unfortunately, that's MUCH easier said than done.

  12. Re:Scary by 0111+1110 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's fine because voting is the same as not voting at all too.

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  13. It was written over 100 years ago... by 101percent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated at, regulated, docketed, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, weighed, censored, ordered about, by men who have neither the right, nor the knowledge, nor the virtue. ... To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under the pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

  14. Re:Nazi America by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

    The United States of America lost 75% of its Constitutional rights by following this one weird trick!

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  15. Re:Nazi America by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Informative
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  16. Re:Nazi America by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Informative

    One night it will all crystallize...

    For those under 30...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

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  17. Re:Nazi America by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bush created this monster, and Obama plans on growing it for his control.

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  18. Re:domestic security? by canesfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, I get that, and I also get that none of this is about security, but merely about control and power. What I don't get is why the security theater / homeland security smoke screen is so effective, but that's probably just me and owed to the fact that I've been taught history. History tells us where all of this will lead. As we now by now: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

    As for why the "security theater / homeland security smoke screen is so effective"? Stop and think and honestly try and take stock of how many people you currently know personally who could be objectively called independent thinkers who are not afraid to live what they proclaim they believe. I am in my 40's and I can say this is not the America I grew up in. Very few people have the courage to live by the set of principles which made America a great Country to begin with.

  19. Re:domestic security? by jahudabudy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very few people have the courage to live by the set of principles which made America a great Country to begin with.
    Uh, like self-centered obsession with getting ahead personally regardless of the expense to others? Not that there haven't been some few stellar individuals that stood out, but the overall history of America is voracious greed thinly disguised as "individualism" or "manifest destiny". There are no longer free resources that are easily taken from the natives, or an endless supply of desperate newcomers to step on; we can't even overtly loot Central and South America now, thanks to global international relations. So now, we have turned inward and are eating ourselves. Very few stood on principle when it was every one else being digested, especially since the American middle class got the scraps. Don't pretend that now that it is the middle class that is the entree that somehow the principle of the matter has changed.

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