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Futuristic Highway Will Glow In the Dark For Icy Conditions

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Will Oremus reports that a glow-in-the-dark highway will be installed in the Netherlands that will replace standard road markings with photoluminescent powder that charges in the daylight and glows through the night for up to 10 hours. But the new highway's most interesting feature is when the temperature drops below freezing, the road will automatically light up with snowflake indicators to warn drivers of icy conditions (video). 'One day I was sitting in my car in the Netherlands, and I was amazed by these roads we spend millions on but no one seems to care what they look like and how they behave,' says designer Daan Roosegaarde. 'I started imagining this Route 66 of the future where technology jumps out of the computer screen and becomes part of us.' The first few hundred meters of glow-in-the-dark, weather-indicating road will be installed in the province of Branbant in mid-2013, followed by priority induction lanes for electric vehicles, interactive lights that switch on as cars pass and wind-powered lights within the next five years. 'Research on smart transportation systems and smart roads has existed for over 30 years — call any transportation and infrastructure specialist and you'll find out yourself,' adds Emina Sendijarevick. 'What's lacking is the implementation of those innovations and making those innovations intuitive and valuable to the end-consumers — drivers.'"

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  1. Freezy Freakies by EmagGeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had gloves that did that back in the 1970's.

    Glad to finally see a more practical use for this 50 year old technology.

    1. Re:Freezy Freakies by Jetra · · Score: 2

      I think it's a great idea. You can't tell where black ice patches are, so maybe it'll help out by indicating High Risk areas.

    2. Re:Freezy Freakies by kannibal_klown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meh, I wouldn't say a waste. There are some roads I've been on that I actually wish the white-lines would glow in the dark. Roads without street lights with (sometimes) more dangerous conditions (curves and such). Of course, some of these roads make me wish for that, because the lines are starting to wear away so it's hard to see... and a plain re-paint might just solve that.

      As for showing when freezing conditions are in effect, I guess if they're going to go re-paint with glow-in-the-dark, this isn't a complete waste. And particularly only certain bad stretches of road.

      Not all people have an "exterior temperature" reading on their car nor do they care to check. If some roads (like bridges) are more susceptible to freezing, or are insanely dangerous when freezing such as a specific stretch that has 10x the accidents of the average iced road, then it could help a little.

      Meanwhile, it would help make the association for drivers that "something is not normal" and adjust their driving habits. Here in NJ, we have people that don't realize how bad road conditions are so they drive just as wild as when the roads are pristine. Which, I guess wouldn't be insane if you have the skills to back it up or are used to it because you live in an area where this is common-place. But they don't, so you see cars and SUVs doing the "idiot dance" across the road because they don't know any better. If you can make that visual association in their heads (ice + roads == bad) maybe it could reduce it.

      Personally, I drive fine but I also drive careful when conditions warrant it.

    3. Re:Freezy Freakies by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      Not all people have an "exterior temperature" reading on their car nor do they care to check. If some roads (like bridges) are more susceptible to freezing, or are insanely dangerous when freezing such as a specific stretch that has 10x the accidents of the average iced road, then it could help a little.

      If it's only an exterior temperature indicator, it's almost useless. They light up as soon as the temperature is below 4 degrees, so I have a permanent ice warning from October to March. A calendar would serve the same purpose.

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    4. Re:Freezy Freakies by kannibal_klown · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My previous car, it would "ding" and take up the whole radio/gps screen whenever the temperature dipped below 35F. And it would stay there for like 30 seconds during which time I couldn't see or use the touch screen (see the map, change the station to one of my favorites, etc). Normally, this wasn't so bad.. just slightly annoying.

      EXCEPT when the temperature would be right AROUND 35F. Because between wind, my engine heat, etc. the temperature might fluxuate between 35F and 36F constantly. So thing would "ding" and take up my screen every could of minutes. And I couldn't turn the feature off.

      Sure, you might be thinking "how often is the temperature right around 35F" I thought the same thing the first time it repeated... but apparently it's more common in NJ than you'd think.

      My current car just has the exterior temperate. It does NOT warn me about the presence of ice nor does it "ding"

    5. Re:Freezy Freakies by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      The white lines do glow in the dark when your headlights hit them, that's why they're reflective.

      Unfortunately, this reflectivity is the first thing to wear off, long before the line itself becomes hard to see in daylight.

      So they issue here isn't that we need a brand-new glowing material, it's that we need bigger budgets for road maintenance.

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    6. Re:Freezy Freakies by jetole · · Score: 2

      I've seen this in New York (years ago the last time I visited) and it's almost everywhere where I live now in South Florida from the Florida Keys to at least West Palm Beach and likely beyond. We have these little plastic reflective mounts spaced regularly on the road / lanes to show the lines and at the same time it creates a light thumping as you drive over them to provide tactile feedback that your changing lanes. They are about 2 inches by two inches, reflect white on one side and red on the other so you can see red on them for the oncoming traffic lanes and white on the lanes you drive in (just based on which direction they mount them on the road). They work great. They have been around forever. The glow in the dark paint seems like it would be re-inventing the wheel here. I just got back from visiting Toronto where I grew up and I wish they had them there as these really help with night driving, lane identification, etc even where there are no street lights.

    7. Re:Freezy Freakies by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a reason they are not found in Northern areas. Snowplows would tear them right off. Also they would be totally useless when snow covers them.

    8. Re:Freezy Freakies by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 2

      We have a similar thing in Norway, and it's not a problem with the snowplows. We just make them a lot taller, about 5 feet I think. They actually serve a dual purpose, as they also show the snowplows where the road is. They are the best solution to this problem, bar none. (Yes, it has actually happened after a major snowfall that snowplows have misjudged where the road is going and gone of straight into the middle of a field.)

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    9. Re:Freezy Freakies by kannibal_klown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the point of the glow-in-the-dark "snowflake" is for when conditions are icy... without the snow on the ground. Obviously, if snow is on the ground... that's enough warning for "there may be ice"

      It happens a fair amount in certain areas: either with freezing rain, 40F rain during the day following by an evening of 28F temperatures. I imagine the mild-afternoon w/ rain followed by the freezing evening is the bigger issue as a person might think that it's still too warm for ice based on the mild temperatures during their lunch break.

      Here in NJ it happens quite a bit, which is of course "fun" when people don't realize it and skid through traffic lights into the middle of an intersection of drive into someone's lawn because they went too fast on a curve.

    10. Re:Freezy Freakies by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

      Some places here in NJ do the same thing, though normally private property like parking lots but I've seen them on the occasional public road. Though perhaps those were just home owners doing it themselves because they were sick of plows messing up their curbs.

      Flexible orange poles get stuck near the curb so the plows no where their edges are and don't destroy a curb / sidewalk / etc.

      Though since we don't get the "epic" snow in my area that other states or countries get, the poles are usually only 3 feet / 1 meter tall.

      If they were "everywhere" then at least that would show where the edges of the road are. Unfortunately, it wouldn't help with the middle line or with multi-lane roads.

    11. Re:Freezy Freakies by der_joachim · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please note that in the Netherlands, it rarely snows more than a few centimeters. Most of that snow is tackled by road salt. Furthermore, what does happen, is rain or sleet freezing up the roads, resulting in black ice which is almost invisible in the dark. Normally, I shun warning labels instead of prudent driving, but this idea is IMHO pretty nifty.

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    12. Re:Freezy Freakies by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      We have a similar thing in Norway, and it's not a problem with the snowplows. We just make them a lot taller, about 5 feet I think. They actually serve a dual purpose, as they also show the snowplows where the road is. They are the best solution to this problem, bar none. (Yes, it has actually happened after a major snowfall that snowplows have misjudged where the road is going and gone of straight into the middle of a field.)

      Your confusing side-of-road reflectors (i.e. reflectors on each side of the road to mark where the pavement ends) with embedded reflectors in the pavement where the center lines are located. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_pavement_marker

      My thought is that the glow-in-the-dark paint will be more expensive than the standard line marking paint. It's hard enough for most communities here in the Northeast US to find the budget for the normal paint, which wears off each winter due to winter salting and sanding. I don't hold out any hope for this coming to a road near me any time soon.

    13. Re:Freezy Freakies by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

      My thought is that the glow-in-the-dark paint will be more expensive than the standard line marking paint. It's hard enough for most communities here in the Northeast US to find the budget for the normal paint, which wears off each winter due to winter salting and sanding.

      Which brings up another issue... how well would the glow-in-the-dark work long-term?

      Even if the paint isn't worn away immediately... most (non-toxic) glow in the dark paints are solar powered (for lack of a better phrase). As time goes on, even if not worn out, it would become dirty. Dirty would mean harder to see... but more importantly that it would absorb less light.

      So long term... it would eventually stop "powering up" during the day unless they can keep the streets clean without wearing away the paint. In which case, some motorist that has grown used to seeing the snowflakes on a particular stretch of road might see they're not lit up and think "Oh I guess there's no ice here"

    14. Re:Freezy Freakies by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Salt works to about 0 F. Below 0 F their is very little water in the air. It's too cold to snow hard at that point but water will refreeze.

      Even better is freezing rain. Supercooled water that freezes exactly where it hits. Beautiful, but damn it sucks.

      I don't miss any of it.

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  2. Waste of time/money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is this going to be more visible than the highly reflective paint that is already used?
    Many cars already notify you if icy conditions are likely to exist, snowflakes seem redundant.
    Neither will be very visible when covered with snow and ice.

  3. Re:Or.... by bmajik · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your car actually doesn't do this in a sufficient sense.

    When a road surface is rainy or icy, braking and steering response suffer the most. Acceleration is impacted somewhat.

    A common scenario here in North Dakota is that you set your cruise control and are moving along. Everything "feels fine". You go to change lanes or hit the brakes and you realize you are on a low-grip surface. If you know how to handle it you can sometimes make it ok. If you don't, you're in the ditch.

    Your car can tell if a wheel starts to spin when under acceleration. But acceleration is the least impacted vehicle input in poor road conditions.

    Your car can tell if the motion vector exceeds a certain threshhold and isn't lining up with the steering angle sensor (e.g. a slide is happening)

    What your car cannot tell you is that the road conditions have degraded to the point that you need to slow down, and to what speed, to have proper turning and braking capability. All your car can do is respond to loss-of-grip situations that have already happened.

    When I drive in unknown conditions I will frequently oscillate the steering wheel and feel how much resistance there is. Less resistance suggests less grip. I'll also ease on to the brake pedal to see if I can induce ABS, to help me understand where the braking limit is.

    (Remember, this is north dakota, so there's no one else around for me to upset or scare when I do this stuff :))

    I run snow tires on all my winter-driven vehicles. I cannot tell you the number of times I've been driving along the interstate, everything has been fine, and I come over a crest, and there are vehicles in the ditch everywhere. I provide test brake/steering inputs and there is _very little_ grip to be had. Anything other than the slightest/slowest input provokes loss-of-grip. And this is on proper snow tires. The people with bald all-seasons are in the ditch for a reason..

    A current car simply can't detect that until you're already sliding/skidding/spinning tires. At which point, it may be too late for the car to recover on a low-grip surface.

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  4. I-64 has had something like this for years by drcln · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the U.S. state of Virginia, Interstate 64 runs east–west through the middle of the state from West Virginia to the Hampton Roads region, a total of 298 miles (480 km). It is notable for crossing the mouth of the harbor of Hampton Roads on the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel, the first bridge-tunnel to incorporate man-made islands. Also noteworthy is a section through Rockfish Gap, a wind gap in the Blue Ridge Mountains, which was equipped with an innovative system of airport-style runway lighting embedded into the pavement to aid motorists during periods of poor visibility due to fog or other conditions.
    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_64_in_Virginia

    A lighting system within the pavement to help designate lanes automatically activated by fog sensors was installed by the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) to improve safety during such weather conditions.
    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockfish_Gap

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  5. Re:Inductive field by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

    What potential health impacts?

    This is not ionizing, nor are you going to generate a lethal current in a human body. Go away nutter.

  6. Sounds extremely expensive for little gain by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

    1. The wind powered lights will require power lines for backup for when the wind isn't enough. You could add batteries into the mix but you will have still need the power lines and then have to maintain the batteries.
    2. The glow in the dark road markings will wear off. Is the safe for the eviroment?
    3.The glow in the dark road markings will be more expensive than the paint we use now. BTW current paint reflect a lot of light. Since cars have lights why make the roads markings glow?
    4. Inductive charging roads? How much copper will that take?

    All that money would be better spent on making sure all roads have reflective markings and maybe an AM radio based system of road condition warnings, digital data of course.

    I have become convinced people come up with engineering scams. You come up with some really cool sounding or looking idea that has a lot of issues and extremely high costs. You then make nice presentations, you then get people saying, "this is cool", and then you get money to study the "problems" and build nothing or a small useless test system. Kind of like a cool picture of a bridge that had windmills under the roadway. It would have been expensive, a bad bridge, and a bad windmill.
     

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  7. Re:Very little incentive to innovate by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While this might hold true in the USA, it is not universal.

    This is why Americans should travel more. For one I think all Americans should try driving on some nice German roads. Maybe we could start building them here.

  8. Re:Coors Light - been there, done that by Njovich · · Score: 2

    Surely not. In such conditions they will neither collect enough light nor shine *that* brightly. Then again, you don't need an indicator to tell you it's cold when there is snow on the road. In Netherlands the problem is usually with temperatures that keep jumping up and down just over and under melting/freezing temperature, sometimes making roads treacherous. Winter temperatures here are a bit higher than in northern Finland of course.

    As for the lanes, it's an improvement over normal paint... but nothing magic.

  9. hand-holding idiocy by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Wisconsin. We have a nickname for anyone whose car goes in the ditch on the highway during a big snowstorm: morons. It's always some piece of crap minivan or Saturn Ion or Pontiac of some sort. The driver is always in a hurry or forgot that 4 wheel drive doesn't do anything for stopping and tada, ditch. Last major snowstorm there was approx 1 car in the ditch every 1.5 miles. No amount of sparkly snowflakes on the road will keep people that stupid from driving that stupidly, trust me. They're just idiots who will never learn their lesson. They're all Wisconsin plates too so don't go thinking it's someone from Texas or something who's never seen snow because those people are smart enough to stay home.
    This idea would be a giant waste of time and money and not benefit anyone.

    1. Re:hand-holding idiocy by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      You may have noticed that this test will be run in the Netherlands. For those of you not familiar with the place: our winter temperatures mostly hover around the 0 deg C mark. At night, the air cools to below 0 and the roads freeze over, in the morning the temperature rises above 0 but it takes hours for the roads to thaw. Combine that with local variations, spots that are more susceptible to frost like bridges and overpasses, etc. and you have conditions where slippery roads are not necessarily signaled by a big, obvious blizzard.

      As someone who's been caught out by this to the extent of rear-ending someone when the road went from normal to invisibly iced over in the space of 50 m, I appreciate my government putting effort into mitigating the problem.

  10. Re:Very little incentive to innovate by Reemi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some governments consider roads as critical for their competitive position. Without a good road-network, the Netherlands would loose their position as transport country and the work generated by the Rotterdam Harbor would dry up.

    Accidents cause road-blocks which cause traffic jams. Hundreds of people in traffic jams idling costs enormous amounts of lost productivity and is bad for GDP.

    With a social system ensuring everybody for health-case and a decent life standard when not able to work, avoiding accidents becomes an economical question.

    I'm not stating the government does take all this into account, but at least the importance of a good and safe road-network for the whole country is understood.

    Note, roads are not only there for those driving a car. Even if you do your groceries walking, ask yourself how your food ended up at the store. Ask yourself how the Ambulance managed to come to you when you need it.

  11. Re:Very little incentive to innovate by drainbramage · · Score: 3, Funny

    We could build German roads in the U.S. but the cost to then ship those roads to Germany would be prohibitive.
    YMMV

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  12. Re:Very little incentive to innovate by houghi · · Score: 2

    Well, if you want the same kind of roads, just vote the guy into office who promises to build you those roads like they did in Germany.

    (what? Too soon? And yes, he was elected.)

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