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Astronauts Could Get Lazier As Mars Mission Progresses

sciencehabit writes "Imagine life on a spaceship headed to Mars. You and your five crewmates work, exercise, and eat together every day under the glow of fluorescent lights. As the months pass, the sun gets dimmer and communication with Earth gets slower. What does this do to your body? According to an Earth-based experiment in which six volunteers stayed in a windowless 'spaceship' for nearly a year and a half, the monotony, tight living space, and lack of natural light will probably make you sleep more and work less. Space, for all intents and purposes, turns you into a couch potato."

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  1. Star Trek by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Explains why Riker stopped shaving second season.

    1. Re:Star Trek by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man.

      These astronauts work 3 days, every five years - taking a round-trip to... NOWHERE!

      And you say it's possible for them to get lazier? Wow. :-)

      Make it number two, number one!

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  2. already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've already done this experiment over 30 times. Its called winter.

    1. Re:already done by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      A south puget sounder would stab you in the face with a fair-trade knife for claiming a californian knows rain.

  3. Space Potato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It turns you into a Spudnik.

    1. Re:Space Potato by mjwx · · Score: 3, Funny

      It turns you into a Spudnik.

      Astronauts are being replaced by doughnauts.

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  4. Then americans.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    are the best fit to colonize space for sure!

  5. Experiment probably worse than the real thing by erice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A year and half in simulated mars mission where you know it is a simulation has to be worse. In a real Mars mission, the crew will be know their activities are important: for the excitement to be first on mars, for the knowledge that a serious screw up could them their lives. On a simulated mission, you're just guinea pigs. Staying motivated must very difficult.

    1. Re:Experiment probably worse than the real thing by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, that's the psychology aspect, but the biological angle might not be as kind.

    2. Re:Experiment probably worse than the real thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      On a real mission, the trip out is likely to be pretty much demotivational as well. "Here I am, stack of college degrees and qualifications longer than your arm, and what am I doing? Watering hydroponic plants. Oh, god, I'm so depressed."

      Be happy Marvin is not on the mission.

    3. Re:Experiment probably worse than the real thing by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A year and half in simulated mars mission where you know it is a simulation has to be worse.

      Since you seem to have have no actual experience in significant simulators, you couldn't possibly understand how wrong you are. You're on the line in the simulator too, and you damn well know it. You honestly think the guys in the simulator aren't motivated to do the best job possible?
       

      In a real Mars mission, the crew will be know their activities are important: for the excitement to be first on mars, for the knowledge that a serious screw up could them their lives.

      You can't sustain that kind of excitement/attention for months at a time, it's mentally extremely exhausting. And, having been there done that, the knowledge that a serious screwup could cost you your life eventually fades into the background noise. Back when I was making SSBN patrols, we saw the same things they saw in the study... guys tended to sleep more, lag more, and get lazier and sloppier as the patrol wore on. It took real effort to counteract it. Unlike these guys, we had experience and a culture (pride in your crew and boat and in wearing the fish) that made counteracting it something of a priority - but it was still hard to be as on top of things on day sixty five of a patrol as you were on day one.

    4. Re:Experiment probably worse than the real thing by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      US subs, regularly stay submerged for 9 months at a time. No sunlight. When's the last time you've heard of a nuclear sub being lost because the crew got lazy?

        USS San Francisco - 08 Jan 2005. OK, so they didn't lose the ship but they came awfully damn close. Why? In part, I believe, because they'd been gone a long time and were headed for a liberty port. And in the years I spent at sea, it was always the end of patrol when I got nervous... because things could tend to get sloppy and guys tended to get lazy towards the end of a run. And that went times ten when we went non-alert and started making turns for King's Bay and turnover.
       

      Stupid studies. Why not look at history?

      We aren't the same people we were a century or more ago - society has changed, people's expectations have changed, etc... etc...
       

      Idiots and their surveys. Whatever editor allowed this post needs to have his/her Geek and Nerd credentials yanked.

      The idiot here isn't the editor - it's looking back in your mirror.

  6. Heart of Gold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is why the Heart Of Gold is shaped like a running shoe - does all the running FOR you. Outsource everything...

  7. This is how you prevent laziness: by RoverDaddy · · Score: 5, Funny
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  8. TLDR by Tanman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too Lazy Didn't Read

  9. For a moment I wondered if you were joking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sadly enough, I think you're being serious.

    This experiment was precisely to test if trained astronauts, in peak physical and mental health, could maintain that over a long period of isolation and lack of earth-like conditions. Unsurprisingly, the answer was "No" for reasons that anyone (at least, anyone living up here in the north, where sun doesn't stay up for more than a couple of hours a day for several months each winter) could have predicted:

    Actigraphy revealed that crew sedentariness increased across the mission as evident in decreased waking movement (i.e., hypokinesis) and increased sleep and rest times. Light exposure decreased during the mission. The majority of crewmembers also experienced one or more disturbances of sleep quality, vigilance deficits, or altered sleep–wake periodicity and timing, suggesting inadequate circadian entrainment

    To suggest that "The fact that such environment seriously fscks up your physical and mental health is just because they were sloths to begin with. REAL men wouldn't go through such." is just absurd.

    1. Re:For a moment I wondered if you were joking... by TheLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Meh, they should just hire nuclear submariners instead of pilots. They manage OK.

      Nowadays much of what NASA does seems to be a big waste of time and money.

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  10. We have done long duration missions before. by tjstork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People keep researching Mars missions, being two years in space, like this would be a singular even in human history because of the isolation. The fact is, humans have been doing long duration missions for quite some time. Old Nantucket whalers could be at sea for a year or two. US Navy personel on deployed aircraft carriers and submarines are at sea isolated for six months at a time, sometimes more. Old explorers on Cook's ships, Magellan's ships, were at sea for years. This has been done. We know how to do this. You have a tight captain, brutal discipline, keep people busy, and the mission continues. If there is a problem, it may only be that the crew of a presently manned Mars mission might be too small for that, but maybe we need to rethink what that crew would be?

    Similarly, for all the talk of why mars, or why colonize space, no one has ever, even the left trying to be diabolical, or the right being religious nutty, ever mentioned the concept of the right to form religious colonies. Like, the pilgrims came to America to form their own fruitcake colony so they could live exactly as they wanted to under god. This gulf between science and religion, at least in the case of colonizing space, need not be so vast. Let's have a government that invests and encourages investment in space, so that, if people do want to have a tax free haven on the moon, or on mars, they can. If they want to have a pledge allegiance to the flag of mars and they think mars was made 6000 years ago, let them. Or, if people want to have a libertine sex colony on the moon, let them. The whole point of expanding into space isn't about commerce, its about, breaking away from a crowded earth that demands rules so we can all get along, in exchange for the promise of a loosely populated place where you can live, like the way you want to.

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  11. Vitamin D deficiency leading to depression? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Example: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/research-reveals-link-between-low-vitamin-d-and-military-suicide/
    "Research published this past week is the first to report that low vitamin D levels are associated with an increased risk for suicide in US military personnel."

    Seasonal Affective Disorder is well known to be correlated with low sunlight levels:
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health-conditions/mental-health-and-learning-disorders/depression/

    So, I can believe blue morning and red evening would help as mentioned in the article, but I would expect that the participants are getting vitamin d deficient too, because the RDAs are generally several times too low (at least in the USA, not sure about Russia). See also: http://www.grassrootshealth.net/recommendation

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  12. But this assumes by kilodelta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That it will take 18 months to get to Mars. I know they're using the rocket model for this but I have to explain:

    Rockets expend a vast amount of their energy just getting free of Earth gravity and then use the acceleration to head toward any object but not under power. So they expend the fuel just within the band of the origin.

    But there's a little technology that is currently propelling a couple of satellites called ion propulsion. It's not a massive dump of energy but a slow, steady one while acceleration increases. Calculation show a trip to Mars would take about 39 days with ion drive. Granted, the spacecraft would be best built in LEO or above that way no aerodynamic issues have to be taken into account. Essentially you'd have something that looks like the lunar lander used in the Apollo program. Not sleek and graceful but sort of cute ugly.