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Texas High School Student Loses Lawsuit Challenging RFID Tracking Requirement

Chris453 writes "Earlier today, a Texas High School student named Andrea Hernandez and her family lost the first round of the lawsuit filed to prevent her school district from forcing its students to wear RFID badges for tracking purposes. The judge in the case declared that the district's compromise for the student (a badge without the battery) was sufficient and dismissed any First Amendment issues. The badges are RFIDs powered by built-in batteries and one of the concerns was that the badges would be used to track students off-campus. Interestingly enough, the school district claims in court documents that 'The badges do not work off campus (PDF).' However, on their website, the school district confirms that it is conceivable that an off-campus RFID reader could access badge serial numbers, but tries to downplay the significance: 'Therefore, an intruder or "hacker" can only learn that the tag serial number is, for example, #69872331, but that does not provide any useful information. Has the district committed perjury by claiming that the active RFIDs magically deactivate themselves when off school property?"

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  1. Sorry dude by dyingtolive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're under 18, so not a human being in the eyes of the state, and as such subject to being tracked like cattle.

    If it's any consolation, the rest of us are only marginally human beings in the eyes of the state, and are still subject to being tracked like cattle if we go out to anywhere public, or use any service or product. On the bright side, you're getting indoctrinated to it early.

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    1. Re:Sorry dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, just students. In Saudi-Arabia, every woman is tracked via her cellphone. If she is found to try leaving the state, her male guardian (every woman has a mostly legally responsible guardian like a husband, brother or father) is notified by SMS. Of course, that's just a compromise as, strictly speaking, women are not allowed to move without their guardian's supervision in public at all, at penalty of flaying.

      We're ok with all that because Saudi-Arabia has a whole lot of oil.

    2. Re:Sorry dude by itof500 · · Score: 2

      Corporations are people with rights. Why not us?

    3. Re:Sorry dude by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      Well, just students. In Saudi-Arabia, every woman is tracked via her cellphone. If she is found to try leaving the state, her male guardian (every woman has a mostly legally responsible guardian like a husband, brother or father) is notified by SMS. Of course, that's just a compromise as, strictly speaking, women are not allowed to move without their guardian's supervision in public at all, at penalty of flaying.

      We're ok with all that because Saudi-Arabia has a whole lot of oil.

      We're okay with lots of stuff if there's a whole lot of oil involved.

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    4. Re:Sorry dude by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to take away from the gravity of the punishment, but they don't get flayed, they get flogged. Still very painful, and dangerous, but not quite as extreme.

      And we're not okay with it, they just happen to have the rest of the world by the balls, at the moment. That will change, soon enough.

    5. Re:Sorry dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tinker vs DesMoine School district
      "constitutional rights do not stop at the schoolhouse gates"

      While minors have some restrictions compared to adults, they're clearly humans in the eyes of the state (too much so in some cases, where the state seems to think that a fertilized egg is a human).

      This is an interesting case at a higher level. Today it's RFID tracking, with an explicit object needed. But the technology is not too far from just doing the tracking using image processing. It's already being done in airports and stadiums, as well as shopping malls, with varying degrees of performance. If all you do is want to get rough statistics about how many people stand in front of the store more than once, you don't need "passport control" kinds of accuracy.

      The school, here, can argue pretty convincingly that they have a need to know who's in the school, and whether they choose to use teacher visual/auditory identification (calling roll) or swiping a badge or RFID or fingerprint scanners or image recognition is immaterial.

      The question is about the big world and all the adults. Is the vague "right to be left alone" infringed by the advent of private and public surveillance with ever increasing performance and accuracy, and largely unhindered by law or regulation. To be honest, I would worry about private companies doing this rather than the government. The government may do dumb things, but overall, the folks in government tend to have a fairly well developed sense of privacy entitlements. Private industry, on the other hand, seeks to monetize as much as they can, and if they can sell the id information, they will.

    6. Re:Sorry dude by Talderas · · Score: 4, Informative

      I like the fact that Slashdot is conflating this to a tracking complaint when the case is more of a "freedom of religion" case than anything else. The tracking bit is tangential to the meat of the case.

      Summation. Student thinks RFID chip is the "mark of the beast" and refuses to wear badge on religious grounds. School offers badge without chip. Student's parent instead wants entire program removed because wearing the badge is "compelled speech" supporting the program and by extension supporting the "mark of the beast".

      There's some other complaints in the case but that's what it revolves around and none of the complaints have to do with tracking.

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    7. Re:Sorry dude by mariox19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [W]e might as well train the kids to wear badges.

      Shame on you.

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    8. Re:Sorry dude by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am not a fan of badges, but badges are a fact of work life so we might as well train the kids to wear badges. After all, if the kids are full human they should be encourages to do the same things as other human. And more and more badges are RFID.

      Right, get them accustomed to it early, like respecting authority and always doing what you're told without question. Fact of life.

      For instance, presuming these are not self power tags,

      From TFS: "The badges are RFIDs powered by built-in batteries..."

      Any infringement on right have to balanced. Young children in school are required to stay with a teacher even to go the bathroom. This is acceptable to most people. In high school, there is more freedom but you are required to be in school. Frankly, RFID tags are less invasive method and more accurate to insure the student is where he or she is supposed to be. There are many cases in which a student claims to be somewhere, but the records show they weren't. With an RFID tag teachers mistakes will not put the kid in jeopardy. Sure, kids switch and give badges to others, so the system is not perfect, but it will do more to protect students who operate in good faith.

      It's been a long time since I was a minor, and I don't have children, so I suppose my perspective is skewed, but at the risk of sounding like one of those "must reject technology or anything that's not the old ways" people, children have managed to survive to adulthood without RFID tags. Sure, some kids have had terrible things occur to them, but I do not believe you can legitimately solve societal issues with technological mandates.

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    9. Re:Sorry dude by dyingtolive · · Score: 2

      I'm not really an expert on religion, especially Christianity, but wasn't the point of the "mark of the beast" that it was basically a tracking number? I agree that it's silly on those grounds, especially since it would be much more likely that the "mark of the beast" would be the social security number that the kid (and probably the parents) undoubtedly have.

      Way to try to come off with the objectivity when we're trying to rally and foster our own personal agenda in something loosely related, BTW.

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    10. Re:Sorry dude by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have a lot to learn if you think that nuclear weapons can do very much to make the Saudis give up their oil.

      All they need to do is prevent us from getting it. And since Europe and China use more than we do from the Mideast, we'd then have to deal with them becoming very angry at us.

      And let's be fair, it's their country. The fact that they can flog women isn't really our problem directly. It is something they need to work out themselves, and they will, like we are.

    11. Re:Sorry dude by punman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... I do not believe you can legitimately solve societal issues with technological mandates.

      Nor with legislation.

    12. Re:Sorry dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For the first 30 years of its use in the 1800s, dude was a nongendered term used to mock how someone dressed(today, we use the term "metrosexual" in much the same way, albeit only referring to men).

      Gradually it changed to mean "an idiot from back east who has no clue", and then to "those city slickers who are paying us to to let them play cowboy".

      Its appropriation by the surfer culture in the 60s and their feminization of the word "dudette" created the perception that dude is a gendered term, but general usage still supports its equal usage.

    13. Re:Sorry dude by The+Moof · · Score: 4, Informative

      It seems there's a new "Mark of the Beast" every decade or so. Back when I was a kid and went to church every week with my parents, I remember reading an article in one of the missals how bank account numbers are the "Mark of the Beast" - and this was 20 years ago.

    14. Re:Sorry dude by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

      Gradually it changed to mean "an idiot from back east who has no clue", and then to "those city slickers who are paying us to to let them play cowboy".

      Or to those losers who pay for a reverse cowgirl at a "ranch" in Nevada.

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    15. Re:Sorry dude by Nyder · · Score: 2

      Not to take away from the gravity of the punishment, but they don't get flayed, they get flogged. Still very painful, and dangerous, but not quite as extreme.

      And we're not okay with it, they just happen to have the rest of the world by the balls, at the moment. That will change, soon enough.

      You do realize that there is a lot of Oil in the world and the USA is currently working on using up everyone else's Oil before we dive too far into ours?

      That is part of the USA's long term goal, use up everyone elses Oil so all that is left is OUR oil. When we are the only ones with Oil, then we win or proffit, or something.

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  2. Read the PDF by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think it is fairly clear that it is the ability of staff to track students location that only works when the student is on campus. Of course it would have been better to qualify that with a statement that the card will still respond to other readers:

    ...the chip in the Smart ID badge also enables school staff to locate a student on a campus with a very large student population.16 The campus is equipped with sensors to read the card and school staff can determine the general whereabouts of the student carrying the card.17 The sensors do not give an exact reading or pinpoint the precise location of a student (e.g. a specific classroom), but it would show whether the student is in a certain wing of the school.18 The Smart ID badges work only within the school campus that has been equipped with sensors to read them.19 The badges do not work off campus.

    1. Re:Read the PDF by coinreturn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it is fairly clear that it is the ability of staff to track students location that only works when the student is on campus. Of course it would have been better to qualify that with a statement that the card will still respond to other readers:

      ...the chip in the Smart ID badge also enables school staff to locate a student on a campus with a very large student population.16 The campus is equipped with sensors to read the card and school staff can determine the general whereabouts of the student carrying the card.17 The sensors do not give an exact reading or pinpoint the precise location of a student (e.g. a specific classroom), but it would show whether the student is in a certain wing of the school.18 The Smart ID badges work only within the school campus that has been equipped with sensors to read them.19 The badges do not work off campus.

      I agree. I think the "perjury" comment was there just for inflammatory purposes.

    2. Re:Read the PDF by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Funny

      An inflammatory statement in a Slashdot story on privacy vs. government? Surely you jest!

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    3. Re:Read the PDF by aurizon · · Score: 4, Informative

      The badges work at all times, the look-up table that correlates the badge number to a person is internal to the school. RFID comes in both short and long range versions - I assume this is a longer range one (it has a battery - the short range ones are usually RF field powered). It may show up up on a Fedex warehouse RFID scanner or other scanner, but as a number with no associated data. I am not sure how widespread RFID response fields are outside of warehouses and malls?
      In any event, the repeated numbers *666* should not be part of the string, just so the petty number of the beast argument can be tossed.
      Many companies use RFID badges for timecards punch-in to work and for access to various doors, both at the entrance and exit and to control access to various areas for assorted reasons.

    4. Re:Read the PDF by artfulshrapnel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well it kind of is perjury. The badges do indeed "work" off campus, in that if pinged by and RFID scanner they respond with their unique ID code.

      A stalker or someone who wanted to do harm to a specific student doesn't need access to their full records, they just need to determine that ID code and use it to track them.

    5. Re:Read the PDF by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      Well it kind of is perjury. The badges do indeed "work" off campus, in that if pinged by and RFID scanner they respond with their unique ID code.

      A stalker or someone who wanted to do harm to a specific student doesn't need access to their full records, they just need to determine that ID code and use it to track them.

      In context, they're referring to the ability of staff to use them to locate students. Perjury is determined by reading all of a party's submissions and statements to the court, not just one sentence out of context.

    6. Re:Read the PDF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can buy the sensors, you can read the tag- period. It's not clear at all to someone who's honestly versed in the practice of RF Identification that it does ANYTHING other than report it's ID. Powered tags have varying extra abilities. Things like faster turn on. Extended range at lower reader powers (tag senses the read pulse and POWERS ON, giving a chirp reply...). That sort of thing.

      The DOD has badge readers that will identify their DOD badge docked into a holder that do this at hundreds of feet from the reader- as an example. These tags? They're IN that class of devices.

      Either the School District's stupid (probable), lying, or both.

      It amazes me to no end just how friggin' stupid the lot is here on /. that they can't even manage to understand that concept and are willing to defend the stupidity we're seeing exhibited here by the District.

    7. Re:Read the PDF by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that staff, who have access to the information regarding which students have which RFID badges, can track the students off campus, they just cannot do so with the school's equipment. It is not the badges which do not work off campus, it is the central tracking system which does not work off campus. This is a violation of "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." There is a reason that the oath is worded that way, your statements to the court under oath are supposed to be worded so as to be clear as to their meaning. Reading this it looks to me like this was carefully worded so as to make it seem that the badges stopped functioning when the student left campus while leaving the school able to say, "Oh no, that is not what we meant at all."

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    8. Re:Read the PDF by Talderas · · Score: 2

      It's not. It's taking one sentence out of the brief and out of context. It's also a rather pointless sentence with relation to the actual issues being viewed by the court.

      As far as the ruling is concerned and tracking and privacy is concerned... they defined working as "on a campus equipped with sensors". The school is not capable of tracking a student that is off campus therefore they do not work off campus.

      The whole case is basically a religious freedom case and has very little to do with privacy or tracking other than what Slashdot is reading into it.

      The TL;DR would be basically that the student believes the RFID chip to be the mark of the beast. School offers an ID badge without the chip. She refuses and parent demands the problem be removed because wearing chipless ID badge constitutes supporting the program which means supporting the mark of the beast.

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    9. Re:Read the PDF by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well it kind of is perjury. The badges do indeed "work" off campus, in that if pinged by and RFID scanner they respond with their unique ID code.

      Not really - perjury is a willful act intended to deceive. Disagreeing about what constitutes "working" or making a statement you believe is accurate based on your knowledge - i.e. work means able to identify a particular student using data stored in the system's computer and so they don't work to track individual students by identity even if you can still read a RFID code - would not be perjury.

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    10. Re:Read the PDF by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      If the school does not understand that the RFID can be used to be used to identify students off campus, then they do not understand the security risks (no matter how small it may be) associated with the devices that they are demanding students carry with them. Thus the tags should not be allowed.

    11. Re:Read the PDF by coinreturn · · Score: 2

      The plaintiff's objection is that the RFID chip is "the mark of the beast" and that having to wear it or a badge that looks like the RFID badge is compelled speech supporting the "mark of the beast".

      Yeah, the RFID chip is the mark of the beast, but the badge without RFID is not the mark of the beast? Riiiiight.

    12. Re:Read the PDF by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      The badges work at all times, the look-up table that correlates the badge number to a person is internal to the school.

      But, the same person will always have the same number. Imagine I work at the mall and have access to all the scanners in the mall (probably not a realistic situation granted) and I see a hot girl come in that I would like to stalk. I can, with a bit of effort figure out the ID on her card and set up alerts for whenever she enters the building. More likely, imagine someone is accused of shoplifting, same situation. They can read the card and they can see who they are scanning, there's no need for the school's DB.

      In any event, the repeated numbers *666* should not be part of the string, just so the petty number of the beast argument can be tossed.

      Many interpretations of revelations don't specify 666 as the one and only number that should be avoided. Many interpretations don't have a 'number' at all, but rather a mark of some kind. The defining factor is usually that it is required to buy or sell goods or to go about your daily business without being harassed.

    13. Re:Read the PDF by aurizon · · Score: 2

      This is true, you can stalk a person and build up a data base of students, and in time someone might do this commercially. They should use an encrypted inquiry method, where the card will only answer to the correct interrogation string, which can be robustly encrypted. (these methods are established and secure, the military has established ways to do this, as has the auto and garage door industry).
      With such a method, the school badges would only respond to a secure school inquiry. They may, in fact, have implemented a secure method like this already to prevent external people from building a data base of students and employees of the College, perhaps a slashdotter knows this fact?
      This secure inquiry would also prevent any revelatory utterance that you were marked by the beast, shutting down those whiners.

    14. Re:Read the PDF by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 2

      an intruder or "hacker" can only learn that the tag serial number is, for example, #69872331, but that does not provide any useful information

      I don't think the author/courts understand how RFID works. That is, essentially, all it does: provide wirelessly an ID number for the badge it just scanned. If you can do this anywhere with the right type of scanner, it is no longer secure.

      How hard is it to clone this RFID serial number so you can come and go in the school posing as the student? Almost trivial with the right(rather inexpensive) equipment. Get a programmable RFID fob on the right frequency, program it with that 'serial #' and bam, you are that student.

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  3. Depends on what the meaning of is is by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like any perjury on their part would hinge on what it means to work and whether the judge allows them to make their own definition of the word.

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    1. Re:Depends on what the meaning of is is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they lied about the tags not working outside of the school, then that's perjury, period. None of this Clinton-esque bullshit.

      Oh, as if the Obama-esque bullshit is any better? Or the idiot before him?

      Politics aside, it won't be considered perjury. They'll come back with some bullshit like "well, technically they could be picked up, but the data is meaningless", which will fly...right up until the point where people realize that the "obfuscated" RFID tag numbers are actually the student ID number, or something equally as blatant and easily traceable back to a person.

      By that point, it will be too late, and RFID-enabled schools will be a Federal mandate, and you'll risk losing Federal funds if you do not participate.

  4. Perjury? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. If the "system" "works" in such a way, then once you break that way, that system breaks. Now, you may be left with multiple parts of that system, in different places, and maybe another system could use that piece for it's purpose, but it's not perjury to say that those cards do not "work" off campus, because here "work" is defined by being an active part (ID badge) of an active system (school RFID system), with an intended purpose.

    It's sorta weird to see how RFID is associated with privacy. The student is at school, in their physical body, that we all can see with our built-in eyes! Normally, they're accounted for via some "roll-call" in the mornings (or at least that's how we used to do it back in the day), and then that information was sent to the office where it was processed, and a larger set of information was sent to the state, and everyone that was at school that day was accounted for, it's been happening for a long time now. So what if they want to put teachers at all corners of the halls and watch all of the students, what's wrong with that? ...other than it being waaay to expensive for the tax payers to pay the teachers. So instead, they try this idea, and everyone is trying to freak out over a privacy issue. I don't get it, but I'm old and it's probably time that I just move on to yelling at the neighborhood kids about my fine grass.

    1. Re:Perjury? by AlecC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It makes it easy and inexpensive to automate following you around. To follow a single person using the Eyeball Mk1 takes about ten people. To follow them by RFID takes a few inexpensive readers scattered around. You can track students for good reasons - or for bad ones (stalking etc),

      Not that I want to take a knee-jerk attitude to this and say it must be banned. But it has unintended consequences, which may not have been thought through.

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    2. Re:Perjury? by mantissa128 · · Score: 2

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    3. Re:Perjury? by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      Let's say I own a mall. I install RFID readers at all the entrances and exits. When someone is caught shoplifting security reads their student ID (without their knowledge) and puts it in my system so that security is called whenever they enter the premises. That's a bit creepy no? Now imagine security is a bit less scrupulous, and they see a hot girl come through the doors, they look at the scanner and see #124785678 just entered, add that to the system so they can follow her around whenever she goes shopping.

      And besides all that, there's a lot of differences between "but they could just have a teacher follow you around" and "they can track everyone in the school". A) No, they couldn't have someone watch you all the time. B) Students would be aware of the constant monitoring vs never knowing when they are or aren't being watched C) An RFID system is more easily fooled and abused so the effort is wasted. Friends carrying a friend's ID so they can skip, enemies stealing an ID so they can frame them up for something, etc.

      The most important one is B though. A system where people are constantly being followed and monitored by other poeple, no matter how much money and effort are invested, merely make privacy difficult to come by. A system that is constantly tracking and monitoring every student makes privacy impossible.

  5. Battery? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The judge in the case declared that the district's compromise for the student (a badge without the battery) was sufficient"

    Active RFID tags cost a fuckload of a lot more than passive ones, not to mention they occasionally need the battery replaced. Never mind the privacy issues here, why the hell do we allow public schools to waste so much taxpayer money on frivolous BS like this?

    I have two passive RFID badges I use on a daily basis, and they do their thing just fine. Hold it up to the pad next to the door, the door goes "click", done.

    1. Re:Battery? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      Because they are using them to take attendance and the central computer can detect their presence in most places in the school.

    2. Re:Battery? by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's his entire point... passive RFIDs can be tracked just fine like the school wants, so why waste all the extra money? He's not saying anything about whether or not it's right for them to be tracked. Besides, most RFIDs can be blocked easily enough, especially those that are embedded in cards.

    3. Re:Battery? by Ramley · · Score: 2

      I actually went to the website, and if you read the FAQ:

      "Q. What does this pilot cost and what is the projected additional revenue expected?
      A. NISD will spend approximately $261,000 on this pilot for the two schools and expects to realize $2 million in additional revenues."

  6. Maybe... by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...just maybe if she didn't include a hypothesis that wasn't absolutely looney-tunes, she would have a better argument.

    Using the bible as a basis for legal argument is dumb. It can be *part* of an argument, to show history, but this whole "mark of the beast" Revelations crap is just crap.

    FTFA:

    "The judge disagreed. In a 25-page ruling, he wrote that the Hernandezâ(TM)s refusal to wear the badge even without the tracking chip undermined her claims that the district was violating her religious freedom. âoePlaintiff's objection to wearing the Smart ID badge without a chip is clearly a secular choice, rather than a religious concern,â Garcia wrote."

    Evangelicals drive around with drivers' licenses with numbers and a photo and other state/work/school IDs. They don't have a religious objection to those. So why is it suddenly a religious objection when it's a high school ID even without an RFID chip?

    Someone's telling tall tales here, and it's not necessarily the school being mistaken about the utility of RFID off campus.

    I want an argument against RFID badges that doesn't include a batshit-insane argument about Satan, because I think there are legitimate privacy concerns about RFID being trackable outside of their intended environments. But this gets drowned out in the herp-a-derp religiosity, which only paints those with real concerns as shiny-side-out tinfoil haberdashers.

    This girl and her dad aren't helping. Not. One. Bit.

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    1. Re:Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Question for you BMO:

      How does a person redress the government when they feel the government has perverted their soul and possibly condemned them to Hell by forcing upon them the Number of the Beast?

      Answer for you BMO:

      Appeal the rulings all the way to the Supreme Court and have the First Amendment reaffirmed.

      Whether or not you agree or disagree is completely irrelevant to issue. This girl has the religious right to not be mandated to do anything, especially anything her religion mandates against.

      As an agnostic I feel terribly sorry for you (you come off like a dickish-Dawkins atheist...) that you need to resort to the Dawkins Dick-move: flying spaghetti monster her beliefs. I cannot possibly know one way or the other, but I find it devilishly (pun intended) delicious to think God is real, and people like you will be spit roasted for eternity just for being dicks intentionally. You literally brought nothing to the philosophical table. Kind of like Dawkins does. Kudos, dick.

  7. Micowave Oven by crmanriq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just pop the tag in a microwave oven for a minute or two. No more RFID.
    "I don't know what happened. Maybe the Lord don't like RFID tags."

    After enough tags go poof, the school administration will probably give up on having you wear one.

    Physical tag with barcode? Sharpie the barcode to another number, maybe. Or generate your own barcode and forge a new tag. There are so many possibilities to screw with the administration that it seems like it would be more fun to see how long until they broke.

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    1. Re:Micowave Oven by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      Then get marked absent every day intil the trusnt officer shows up. great solution.

    2. Re:Micowave Oven by Cigarra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not about a working tag or not. It's about COMPLIANCE. They will let her use a tag with the batteries removed, as long as she doesn't make waves and looks like she's OK with the system.

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    3. Re:Micowave Oven by crmanriq · · Score: 2

      "It's not about a working tag or not. It's about COMPLIANCE."

      Totally agree. And her religious objection is also about compliance. The school requires compliance, and her religious belief is that compliance endangers her soul.

      So let the school think she is complying. When in reality she is sabotaging. Microwave, altered tag, forged tag. The school officials get to go "See. we get our way. She's being a good-little-citizen." All the while she can also say to herself (and her deity) "Look. I am not allowing them to put a number on me. I am not going along with their system. I am breaking their system."

      And then she can convince a friend or two to "convert" to her church. And microwave/alter their tags. And then they can find friends. And if the school lets them run around with deactivated tags, then a trend starts. And in the end, the whole RFID tag concept goes out the window as an enormous waste of money.

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  8. Unique random ID *is* "useful information" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Therefore, an intruder or "hacker" can only learn that the tag serial number is, for example, #69872331, but that does not provide any useful information."

    Joe Stalker sits in a car, watches student walk by, and notes the RFID that shows up on his scanner. From that point on the student is trackable by RFID.

    Sure, the ID# doesn't provide any personal information by itself, but now any personal information that is found (e.g., follows student to home address) can now be uniquely associated with that student and tracked. The exact reason why a unique ID is useful in the school context is also why it would be equally useful in other contexts. If it works at all, then, yes, it does "work off campus". The fact that you can't access the school's database mapping from RFID to student personal information is irrelevant. Someone could build their own database.

    1. Re:Unique random ID *is* "useful information" by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, because in order to follow them without the RFID you need to be able to see them. If you have to follow the student from a location where you can see them, it becomes apparent to others that you are following them much quicker than if all you have to do is stay in range of an RFID tag. Additionally, the RFID badge makes it much harder for a student who becomes aware that they are being followed to lose the follower.

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  9. This wasn't about privacy. Not entirely. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3

    Andrea Hernandez is the student who refused to wear the badge because she believed it was the 'mark of the beast' and offended her religion. This case wasn't just about privacy. It was also about the boundry when a person's religion conflicts with secular regulations.

    1. Re:This wasn't about privacy. Not entirely. by Cigarra · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't buy that. I think this IS about privacy and individual rights, but they threw the religious nonsense to use the First Amendment in their favor. That's how it looks to me anyway.

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  10. Re:Leave in locker. by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

    You probably need it to get to your locker in the first place.

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  11. Re:Leave in locker. by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And how would you get back into the school the next day?

  12. Mooo! by halfkoreanamerican · · Score: 2

    Well, they are about as useless off-campus as my thrown away bank documents that anyone with a decent brain could turn into money. People have been concerned about this same issue for years with passports--it just takes one terrorist to find out there's an 'american' in the room by scanning... and, well, you know the end of the story.

  13. So... give them something they WANT! by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll bet if they gave each student a free cell phone (which "may or may not" contain tracking technology) that they can keep with themselves during school, they'd be ALL over that!

  14. Re:This Is How Most RFID Solutions Work by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    You can however use it to track location once you know who holds what badge number.

    Most slashdotters do not have these active RFID units, we have passive ones with much shorter useful ranges.

    The student should just remove the battery at the end of each school day.

  15. Easy Fix... by kuhnto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Easy Fix... Give her two badges. Once see determines the one that is the Serial number "of the Beast" she can turn that one in.

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  16. RFID is a wireless barcode by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    And after all, these kids are a product of their generation!

    *rimshot*

  17. Well no duh they lost by artfulshrapnel · · Score: 2

    They're being totally unreasonable. According to the legal document linked, the school actually offered to compromise and allow her to wear a badge with no RFID chip at all. They just needed to give her something with a barcode or whatever so she could check out books in the library and pay for school lunches under the new system. The dad still refused because the badge was now "the mark of the beast" and they would not "go against the teachings of the LORD." [emphasis not mine]

    Thing is, she already carries a badge every day under their current system. He's claiming that a simple piece of ID has now become the work of Satan because someone asked to put an RFID chip in it, even if they change their mind and agree not to.

    1. Re:Well no duh they lost by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to the legal document linked, the school actually offered to compromise and allow her to wear a badge with no RFID chip at all.

      The condition on that "compromise" was that she and her parents would not share their objections to the program with others (my recollection was that it actually went so far as to ask them to endorse the program, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). In addition, they were not allowed to tell anyone else that they had reached this accommodation with the school district.

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  18. There is a simple solution to this by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every student should refuse to wear the badges. They don't have to destroy the badges or anything like that. Just get together and toss them in a big pile. Problem solved. They're not going to suspend every single student. Of course I come from the tail end of a generation where burning draft cards, holding sit-ins and other acts of civil disobedience were not such a foreign idea.

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    1. Re:There is a simple solution to this by zzsmirkzz · · Score: 2

      Schools have used student IDs for decades, usually with bar codes. Same with libraries, workplaces, drivers licenses, etc. We are already indoctrinated and have been for generations.

      Yes, we have been indoctrinated into carrying around identification cards/badges that can be used to identify us. However, the fact the we are being identified and by who and for what purpose is known to the holder of the card (i.e. we have to take it out and show it), or if wearing it, we can see those who can see us and our cards. Tracking is not involved in the current system unless you swipe the card for access and again you know and can control what is being tracked. The new system is for ubiquitous identification and tracking, not knowing who is identifying/tracking you or when or for what purpose. This is a different system and one people should NOT be indoctrinated into as it is dehumanizing.

  19. Re:Leave in locker. by gander666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I was in school (public school, pre-university) there was no student ID. We just went to class, learned, did after school activities (if desired) and then went home. Alas, the public schools have become police states with lockdowns, gates, guards, and metal detectors. No wonder students are not learning.

    Heck, I was trusted enough to be given a physical key to get into our computer lab (8 Apple II's) in the afternoon to work on them.

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  20. The worst part of all this... by Seumas · · Score: 2

    I fall into that heavy geek group of go-fuck-yourself when you want to search me, track me, or otherwise invade my privacy or my right to not be cattle. However, I could do without people like her standing up and taking on that position, publicly. The taint of religious idiocy just contaminates everyone else who actually takes issue with it for real-world concerns and sensibilities that don't involve the battle of two deities and an attempt by some "new world order" to track a human being by some goofy stamp at the behest of the super evil devil guy.

    It's kind of like I'm sure everyone (including myself) felt when they saw Alex Jones "defending" our second amendment. Just a collective shout of "shut the fuck up, you birther, truther, new-world-order, end-of-the-world, religion spewing dipshit -- you are speaking in front of the world and making every other person who gives a shit about gun rights look like a fucking lunatic by association!".

    Why couldn't she just say "hey, I take issue with this on the same grounds that any other person would have the right not; not on some silly religious preclusion"? It's like when I see all these news reports about the shitty behavior of the TSA when it comes to people in wheel chairs, or elderly nuns, or toddlers, or war veterans -- as if somehow it's wrong to violate them, but if you're just a regular every day everybody else, then fuck it.

    Gah. This whole thing is just frustrating as hell. If another student has the guts to stand up to this, I hope they do it without the trappings of crap she came with. Unfortunately, I guess this also sets precedent for whoever the next student is and they won't get anywhere. Meh.

  21. Re:Good by NewWorldDan · · Score: 2

    Counterpoint: I would have liked to see her be successful. There is no reason for government to be operating schools. In an ideal situation, government provides a stipend for education and the student picks an appropriate school. Private schools are not limited by the Bill of Rights and can implement whatever policies they like with the restriction that they're still trying to attract students. The whole point of the Bill of Rights is to limit government.