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BioWare Launches "Gay Planet" For the Old Republic

DavidGilbert99 writes "Labelled as an 'oddly regressive move,' developers of Star Wars: the Old Republic have decided that all gay characters will be stuck on a single planet called Makeb. The move comes with the release of the Rise of the Hutt Cartel pack and the Makeb planet will be the only place in the game where players can select 'flirtatious' dialogue options with characters of the same gender. From the article: 'BioWare executive producer Jeff Hickman apologised for same sex relationships taking so long to be added to the game, referring to the company's most famous title Mass Effect, where homosexual relationships are available by default: "First of all, I want to apologize that this is taking so long to get in the game," wrote Hickman in a blog post. "I realise that we promised SGR (same gender relationships) to you guys and that many of you believed that this would be with a companion character. Unfortunately, this will take a lot more work than we realised at the time and it (like some other pieces of content we talked about earlier in the year) has been delayed as we focused on the changes required to take the game Free-to-Play. '"

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  1. Srsly? by Orleron · · Score: 5, Funny

    *Checks calendar to make sure it's not April 1st*

    1. Re:Srsly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Look elsewhere in the Star Wars universe...

      You have the desert planet, the ice planet, the forest moon, the city planet...

      Every planet has one damn definable feature. What's so absurd about it when Star Wars is nothing BUT a Planet of Hats type setting?

    2. Re:Srsly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have the desert planet, the ice planet, the forest moon, the city planet...

      And now, finally, the FABULOUS planet.

  2. Acceptable by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well that takes care of 10% of their players. Now what about the robot female planet so the remaining 90% can feel accepted by their "I was born that way" mate preferences, too?

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    1. Re:Acceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, you're saying you want a new area on planet Eroticon 6 called Valley of the RealDolls?

    2. Re:Acceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's already plenty of female robots and characters you can bang.

      Or Clang, as the case may be.

    3. Re:Acceptable by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every group thinks theyre more insightful, wiser, and generally more intellectually mature than everyone else. I have no reason to believe-- especially after about 5 years on slashdot-- that this would be particularly true of the nerd subculture. If anything, it seems more clannish, because as people get progressively better in a niche area, they seem to progressively become closeminded and intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them.

      Dont agree? Look for any article discussing Apple vs PC, or MS vs Google, or religion, or politics. As a conservative I tend to regularly get called interesting things here... "less judgemental" indeed.

    4. Re:Acceptable by Omestes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or it could be because sexuality is a pretty complicated thing. While you have the majority of people who are "straight", and a minority of people who are just "gay", within both groups you have a ton of variation. How many "straight" people have had at least one homosexual encounter? Impure thoughts? How many of either group are actually "bisexual"? Where do gay people who are "closeted" and only have sex with the opposite sex fall? Where do people who can't figure it out yet fall (in high school in the early-mid 90's being gay was the big thing for some crowds, and now most of these people are happily married and straight). Pretty much every girl I know has had sexual encounters with another girl, but identify as straight. In my male acquaintances this is less common, but still it isn't terribly uncommon.

      Also where do various nontraditional gender identifications fall? You identify as a woman, but are biologically male, and still only have sex with females? Or in the case of my dad's neighbor, you were born male, had operations and hormones to become female, but still only sleep with your wife of 20 years?

      Sexuality is a thorny and hugely complicated subject. Any study will differ based on definitions, and sampling.

      most honest researchers avoid the subject since the radical gay activists savagely attack anyone who publishes studies which run counter to gay dogma.

      Who actually gives a shit how many gay people there are in the world? Why does it matter to anyone? I suppose I'm the wrong person to ponder this, since I don't actually care one bit, what people do in their bedrooms, consensually, is no business of mine. As long as people are happy, I don't care.

      I am happy that there is a "gay dogma" but not a "intolerance" dogma. Which is odd, since last I checked the intolerant crowd was much louder than the other bunch.

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  3. Go be gay over there... by Manfre · · Score: 5, Funny

    sounds like the digital version of don't ask, don't tell.

    1. Re:Go be gay over there... by ThePhilips · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should have called the planet "Hell" or "Purgatory."

      Might have attracted christian players.

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    2. Re:Go be gay over there... by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That kind of cheapens Apartheid, doesn't it?

      Also, Old Republic is still around?

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    3. Re:Go be gay over there... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Problem is some people are offended merely by seeing same sex couples together, allowing them to stay in the same hotel room together or just thinking about it. Bioware took the cowards way out, instead of calling out the bigots for what they are.

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    4. Re:Go be gay over there... by Nemyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that this isn't about interactions with other players, right?

      TOR is a very story-driven game, and thus this is all about NPCs having dialogue options which include romance options. Many such NPCs already have romance options, but up to now only heterosexual ones. What's been decided there is that apparently homosexual romance can only happen on this one planet, which is part of a paid-for expansion pack.

      This isn't about other players doing unsolicited homosexual romancing. It's about the player having the ability to, if he/she so chooses, romance other characters of the same sex.

    5. Re:Go be gay over there... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "If you dont approve of my behavior youre a bigot", is that how it is?

      No, disapproving of people because they are gay makes you a bigot. Being gay is not a choice someone made, just like being black or a woman isn't.

      Would I be a bigot for example if I disapproved of seeing someone else commit adultery?

      Depends. You can disapprove of adulterous behaviour because when it is a choice and it is harming that person's partner. On the other hand there are situations where it is usually deemed acceptable by society and the law at large, such as when a couple is separated but not yet finally divorced or when both parties agree to have other sexual partners.

      The main point is that adultery is a chosen behaviour, where as homosexuality is not. Additionally, there mere fact that two people of the same sex are married does not harm anyone else.

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  4. bigotedly delicious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    yellow stars, blue moons and now pink triangles!

  5. Ah, virtual segregation... by Ossifer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... a heavily pixellated Geroge Wallace must be smiling in his recycle bin...

  6. "Regressive"? by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Expanding sexual diversity in new content is not regressive. They've made it clear that they want to make it a full option throughout the game, but you can't just snap your fingers and make that happen. Same-gender romance is "restricted" to one planet because only one planet is being added in the expansion.

    I'm not sure what the agenda is of the submitter/poster/etc., but it certainly isn't equality if they're whining about a step towards that. Also, this is a video game for crying out loud. Chill the fuck out.

    1. Re:"Regressive"? by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This.

      Going back and changing scripting and bringing back all the original voice actors to voice new dialog for same-gender/same-sex dialogue is costly and a pain in the ass. So for new content moving forward, they're planning for it.

      Bioware is trying to be inclusive by adding the content in the first place. They aren't trying to segregate players.

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    2. Re:"Regressive"? by _UnderTow_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      but you can't just snap your fingers and make that happen.

      Perhaps if you snapped your fingers in a Z formation.

    3. Re:"Regressive"? by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bioware has included same-sex options in every game since Dragon Age. They're not afraid of any agenda. They don't just take heterosexual romance options and remove gender filters. Their same-sex romances in their games are written to be meaningful and different.

      And bringing back all the original voice actors to record new dialogue is costly for a game that is reporting losing tons of money.

      So instead of spreading FUD based upon assumptions, you should actually play SWTOR and look into Bioware's track record.

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    4. Re:"Regressive"? by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In Dragon Age and Mass Effect, Bioware owned the properties. They could do what they wanted without asking permission.

      Adding homosexual content to Star Wars requires the permission of Lucas and LucasArts. Karen Traviss added a gay character/couple in one novel I believe, and it turned into a huge controversy even though it was a minor background character. The debate as to whether or not homosexuality even exists in the Star Wars universe had never been determined. George Lucas is a self-described "hippie" living in Marin County, so it is quite possible he had no problem with it personally, but the Lucas-empire had to decide how it would financially affect the brand.

      Amazingly enough, they eventually signed off on it, and homosexuality does apparently exist in Star Wars.

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  7. WBC by Sparticus789 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And in response, the Westboro Baptist Church has announced that all 12 of their members will take to the streets of Makeb to protest.

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    1. Re:WBC by CheeseTroll · · Score: 4, Funny

      They'll be edited into the background of Darth Vader's funeral pyre, harassing Luke with anti-gay vitriol, in the next release of ROTJ.

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    2. Re:WBC by Sparticus789 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And on the other side of their signs, WBC will write "But marrying your sister would be OK"

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  8. Inflammatory headline by turiel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What actually happened:
    New content will include will include same-sex options. It just happens that the new content only includes one planet. Future new content will also include same-sex options.

    I don't understand why the submitter is taking such an offensive stance with their post. There is no conspiracy against gays, especially when it comes to Bioware who are one of the pioneers of same-sex relationships in their games (dating back to Baldur's Gate).

    What would you prefer, that this content wasn't added at all? No let me guess, you'd prefer they revamp the whole game. Nevermind that their team has been cut down to a fraction of their original size due to the commercial unsuccessfulness of the game. Instead lets invent a big issue out of their good-faith attempt to add same-sex content even with their dwindling resources that would arguably better be spent on content like warzones, flashpoints, and operations.

  9. Re:Remove suggestive dialog options by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    SW:TOR is a fully voiced MMO. Every line of dialogue has a voice actor. And most NPCs have a unique voice actor. Adding same-sex romance into the game meant going back and changing the scripting for each NPC, as well as bringing back the previous voice actors to record new dialogue.

    That is why they're only doing it for new content.

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  10. Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? by BriggsBU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the Jedi starting area there's a quest chain where you discover two Jedi in a romantic relationship and have the choice to tell the instructors about them because it is against the Jedi code.

    So.. Still was against the code in SWTOR's time frame.

  11. This isn't "regressive" by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a bit long, but I don't see anyone else saying it, so I will. I power-played this game from launch to max level, and then for a few months after, until it was obvious my friends weren't going to keep at it- the TLDR version is that this isn't about shitting on gays at all, but instead money. Ok here's why:

    If you play the main plot of TOR, you quickly find out that each of the four "base classes" on each "empire" or "republic" side (so eight base classes total) has their own plotline. Each plotline takes you through the same planets in the same order as the other base classes in your faction, with the exception that each faction has two starting planets- one for the Jedi/Sith, and the other for the tech heroes.

    For instance: if you are a smuggler, you begin by pulling into the same planet that the Troopers start on, and your ship gets stolen. You then fall in with a kind of small time crime boss, and when he is assassinated his right-hand man becomes yours.

    The smuggler can become a "scoundrel" or a "gunslinger"- the two "advanced classes". The "scoundrel" has a shotgun that has close ranged positional attacks, and a stealth belt, as well as some brawler type moves. You also gain some heals. The "gunslinger" has a belt that creates a portable force-field cover that can knock people back, and they use two weapons. The "scoundrel" is essentially a rogue with a healing spec, and the "gunslinger" is kind of a ranger or archer role. Which you pick has NO RELEVANCE on your plot, even though they play differently.

    The "trooper" can become two types of thing as well (a character with a shield generator and the best armor who can tank or deal damage, or a character with a super advanced huge gun who can deal damage or use the gun to heal), as can the "Jedi Knight" (dual wield damage guy or single wield guy who can tank) and the "Jedi Consular" (force caster/healer or a stealthy two-bladed light saber guy). Both of these start on the planet with the Jedi Academy.

    Meanwhile, on the Sith side, all of these choices are mirrored- the Imperial Agent can become an "Operative", who has the exact same powers as the "Scoundrel", or a "Sniper", who has the same powers as the "Gunslinger". But all the "Imperial" side plots are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the Republic ones- there are EIGHT total paths you can follow in this game, based on all eight character types you can start the game with (Sith Inquisitor, Jedi Consular, Sith Warrior, Jedi Knight, Imperial Operative, Smuggler, Bounty Hunter, Trooper). As you play through, you get "companion characters"- you get one very early, and then others as you play through your plotline. You can have one with your character at most times, but you can't hang out with all of them at once unless you are on your ship. Each has a series of mini plotlines that you can play through.

    Importantly, THESE ARE THE CHARACTERS YOU CAN BE ROMANTIC WITH. In your plotline, you meet some NPCs that are just mentioned once or twice, and that will attempt to seduce you, or you can attempt to seduce them. That's not what anyone who wanted same-sex relations in this game was hoping for, and that's what this planet seems to be offering. The companion characters are all individually voice acted by professional actors and have a ludicrous number of things they can say, ways they can respond, etc. It is seriously high production value.

    As an example: My smuggler is female. The first guy you meet, Corso Riggs, is a possible "romantic companion" for a female smuggler. Your wookie companion is not, and neither are the female companions or the fish-head alien. If you accept Corso's advances, he will prove to you that he's both desired by others and totally into just you, a reasonably common romance novel thing, and you can even marry him. A male character has similar options with his two female companions- for instance, Akavi Spaar, a rough and tumble alien warrioress, can fall for your advances, as can Risha, a human woman.

    So everyone was expecti