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CentOS 5.9 Released

kthreadd writes "The Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 derivative CentOS version 5.9 has been released just 10 days after its upstream provider. According to the release notes a number of changes have been made. New packages available in CentOS 5.9 includes for example OpenJDK 7 and Rsyslog 5. Several drivers have also been updated in the kernel which has been updated to version 2.6.18-348, including support for Microsoft's virtualization environment Hyper-V." CentOS has been plugging away now for nearly 10 years.

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  1. awesome comeback by CentOS by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    after a period of sluggishness, it's awesome the CentOS team has pulled together again after difficulties and management problems.

    1. Re:awesome comeback by CentOS by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      I would hope CentOS could keep up with a minor version update. CentOS was sluggish getting a major update out the door (6.0) which was understandable at the time.

      I would much rather have them get it right than them get it first.

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    2. Re:awesome comeback by CentOS by jythie · · Score: 2

      That is one of the reasons I have stuck with CentOS over the years. I have found they strike a good balance between being reasonably up to date while still being pretty conservative and thus stable.

  2. Re:Who cares? by Revotron · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your troll is bad, and you should feel bad!

  3. Centos is awesome! by Openstandards.net · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm proud to say that we host all of our servers on Centos! It is the best free server OS out there, IMHO.

    1. Re:Centos is awesome! by jpschaaf · · Score: 2

      Nah, Scientific Linux is better :-) And don't forget Oracle's Linux.

    2. Re:Centos is awesome! by Hatta · · Score: 2

      How does it surpass Debian?

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    3. Re:Centos is awesome! by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Debian is relatively atomic (though the minimal install has grown somewhat recently) and very easy to use. Redhat has scads of management tools and they maintain 'em themselves, and many of them are a bear to get running on anything but Redhat because they don't care, so if you want to use them that's a good reason to run Centos.

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    4. Re:Centos is awesome! by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, loads of free software is a PITA to get running on a Redhat-based distro and most tutorials tend to have Debian install instructions but not Redhat ones. I'm pretty glad I switched to Debian.

    5. Re:Centos is awesome! by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Too bad it is from Oracle and you then are dealing with their support staff.

      I would rather reboot everyday than deal with that.

    6. Re:Centos is awesome! by morcego · · Score: 5, Informative

      How does it surpass Debian?

      It doesn't. But Debian doesn't surpass CentOS either. They are on two completely different categories.

      Debian is geared to the enthusiast and developers. Your comparison would be Fedora, not CentOS/RHEN.

      CentOS, RHEN (and other Enterprise distributions) are geared toward enterprise. So you will never find the latest version of softwares (CentOS 5.9 has PHP 5.1.6, apache 2.2.3 etc), but instead you get more stable version and, specially, no API changes. So from 5.0 to 5.XXX, there will be no API or ABI incompatibilities (this usually means a lot of backports to fix bugs). The flip side is that you won't be able to run a lot of the newer stuff that requires newer versions of libs and stuff.

      It is a tradeoff, and you really can't compare the two.
       

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    7. Re:Centos is awesome! by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Red Hat actually updates a few packages to newer version. Typical things are certain desktop software like Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice. You will occationally also get complele new packages, like OpenJDK 7 in this release.

      Debian on the other hand has a hard policy of updating as little as possible, which is actually sometimes problematic on desktops. We have a lot Debian desktops deployed in our organization; currently running on the latest stable release, squeeze from about two years ago. It's actually a problem for us when we want to buy new hardware because the squeeze kernel may not completely support it, and we don't really want to run testing in a production environment. In comparison Red Hat backports a ton of drivers which means that even something as old as RHEL 5 may work just fine on relatively modern hardware.

    8. Re:Centos is awesome! by Hatta · · Score: 2

      So you will never find the latest version of softwares (CentOS 5.9 has PHP 5.1.6, apache 2.2.3 etc), but instead you get more stable version and, specially, no API changes.

      So it's like Debian Stable then?

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  4. Any progress on the file system front? by JDG1980 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IMO, one of the drawbacks of Linux (including CentOS) as a server OS compared to FreeBSD is the lack of a good file system. FreeBSD (and Solaris) have ZFS which has robust checksum and parity features, while Linux has nothing of the kind, at least not yet. Has any progress been made on this front?

    1. Re:Any progress on the file system front? by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2

      You can compile on another server (e.g. the testing system). Look at the BINHOST documentation.

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    2. Re:Any progress on the file system front? by Sulphur · · Score: 2, Informative

      We want our servers to spend CPU time on delivering web pages and handling transactions; not recompiling the system. I guess Gentoo is good if you're not actually using your systems for anything.

      If you are installing on a number of machines, Gentoo has quickpkg which makes tarballs with the configure scripts that install rapidly.

    3. Re:Any progress on the file system front? by devman · · Score: 2

      You need to use ZFS On Linux, which runs as a kernel module. ZFS-FUSE is the other Linux implementation which runs in user-space.

  5. CentOS is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been using it at work for a few years now.

    I used to dislike it because the packages were a bit older than everything I'd be able to install on a personal Linux machine running something different.

    But there is definitely something to be said about having a stable ABI. Anything I build on my CentOS 6 VM I can run on another CentOS 6 machine. Not sure if the same can be said for other distributions if one of the systems has had upgrades to some of its libraries at some point.

    Big thanks to the CentOS team for all their hard work.

    Now, RedHat, please do not include GNOME 3 in RHEL 7. Use MATE or something. But please, for the sake of people who use your platform as a TOOL and not a TOY, keep GNOME 3 out!!

    1. Re:CentOS is awesome by fnj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Now, RedHat, please do not include GNOME 3 in RHEL 7. Use MATE or something. But please, for the sake of people who use your platform as a TOOL and not a TOY, keep GNOME 3 out!!

      Bad news for you. It is well known that RHEL 7 *will* use Gnome 3 for the default supported desktop. Unless they really break with tradition, KDE will also be an option. Beyond that, you'll have to resort to third party repos.

      And it's hardly a surprise. Good god, man, Red Hat is the prime force *behind* Gnome 3. Oh yeah, another piece of crap news: the systemd abortion is going to be in there, too.

      When RHEL 6 reached EOL, I sure as hell am going to be looking very seriously at bsd for my servers.

  6. Re:Isn't CentOS on a higher version? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Centos 5 is still getting updates. It is a previous version.
    You should probably know that if you are running more than one of these machines.

  7. Re:What am I missing? by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't they fork RHEL? RHEL 5.9 came out relatively recently. RHEL still provides updates to 5x and 6x, so it makes sense that CentOS would also still be putting out CentOS 5x in tandem with 6x.

  8. Re:What am I missing? by bsDaemon · · Score: 2

    6.0 broke off around 5.4, but had a lot of newer stuff in the base. However, security updates and maintenance patches are still released for the 5.x series because, frankly, getting what you need on the system you already have is a lot easier than changing a whole lot just to get something you might want. Sure, on the privacy of your own workstation or non-production server, jumping major versions is no big deal, but on a production server, it can often times be more trouble than its worth.

    Essentially, if you don't know why you should be interested in 5.9, you're not the target market for 5.9.

  9. Re:backdated announcments by dustwun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Their rpm announcements were all back dated.

    They didn't release any of the 5.9 rpms on the dates they are making public.

    You mean the packages that were released prior to the 5.9 install media in the Continuous Release repo? Perhaps you should review this page - http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/CR

  10. Re:What am I missing? by idontgno · · Score: 2

    And more to the specific technical point, there's no easy, supported migration path from 5.x to 6.x.. The Centos Wiki howto page states with discouraging repetetiveness "A fresh install is generally strongly preferred over an upgrade. "

    This, plus a host of not-very-specific "gotcha" warnings, and the entire guide ending with "Good luck", pretty much guarantees only the masochistic or the suicidally brave will undertake an upgrade-in-place to 6.x, rather than just staying with 5.x and picking up the point updates for security and reliability updates.

    For myself, I'm running 5.x on my household server, and I'll be yum-updating to pick up 5.9. I'll migrate to 6.x when I do a full server hardware refresh, in which case it'll be a turnkey replacement with the possibility of limited parallel ops and fallback if it all goes sideways.

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