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Tiny Pill Relays Body Temperature of Firefighters In Real-time

pcritter writes "Australian firefighters are enlisting the help of tiny pill to battle fires. In a training exercise, 50 firefighters swallowed the LifeMonitor capsule which is equipped with a thermometer and a transmitter. The pill transmits data to a device worn on the chest, which also gathers data on heartbeat, respiration and skin temperature. This data is relayed in real-time, allowing better management of heat-stress during firefighting. Victoria's Country Fire Authority trialed this new mechanism when they found that the standard measurement of temperature by the ear was an ineffective indication of heat-stress. The pill is expelled naturally after two days."

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  1. Re:how do you manage heat stress? by sidevans · · Score: 4, Informative

    We don't drink warm beer mate, if you open a warm beer at a party its the last one you drink there.

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  2. The hard part... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    is recovering the re-usable pills after they are expelled. Seems the firefighters are reluctant to see them recovered and even more reluctant to be in the second round of trials for some reason.

  3. Great news. by marevan · · Score: 3, Funny

    During rescue-academy studies there is a heat stress test, which is to test the students capabilities under physical workload and lots of heat. They used to use anal thermometers, which were real pain in the ass. So this is great news!

    1. Re:Great news. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      So this is great news!

      If you can stomach it, that is.

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  4. The pill is expelled naturally by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    This being the CFA I assume the pills are expected to be reused.

  5. Re:suit by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Core temperature is important for medical reasons. A suit would give you the temperature of the skin.

  6. Old News by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing about this technology is new.
    Professional and rich college sports teams have been using it since the early 2000s to monitor potential heatstroke in players during summer practice and the pills cost $30~$40 each.

    I believe it all started with NASA wanting a good way to get actual body temperatures of astronauts.
    At the time, the only accurate measurement technique was a thermometer in the butt...
    And that isn't a method that allows you to gather long term data.

    FYI - Those in-ear thermometers and IR skin thermometers are only useful as indicators. Their readings cannot be considered representive of your core temperature.

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  7. Good Idea, Aliens Style Readouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I was a rookie I almost went down several times with heat exhaustion. Had other friends get cut off from their exit by a collapse during a training burn right after fire academy, fortunately only a few hand and neck burns which required skin grafts.
    An Aliens style readout next to the pumper engineers pannel with telem from firefighters and a IR helmet cam feed would save many lives.
    The greatest OTJ killer of firefighters is actually stress heart attacks, much of this stress is from overheating.

  8. Re:suit by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They wear heavy wool "suits", wool is fireproof and an excellent insulator that protects them from radiant heat that can melt a car windscreen from 100 meters away. Imagine dressing for an outdoors job in Chicago in winter, but instead your fighting one of these fires on foot, on a 40degC summers day, with 120km/h bone dry winds blowing off the central deserts for added discomfort. The surface temperature of the suit is meaningless, it's the core temperature of the human that matters. Thing is, these suits work both ways, it's just as hard for heat to get out as it is to get in, the body is left with no way to cool itself and ceases to function, often without much warning. "Heat stroke" is a major killer here, especially during a heatwave such as the one we are experiencing now. It's not just the sick, stupid, or elderly, a healthy (~12yo) boy sadly collapsed and died just last week while hiking with his dad.

    Disclaimer: I had a mild case of heat stroke as a child, it's like a cross between the worst food poisoning you have ever had combined with what feels like a pick-axe sticking out of your crown, I really wouldn't wish it on anybody, it's so painful you can't enjoy the hallucinations. Thing is, the day I got it was hot but nothing out of the ordinary, I was at a family BBQ with a bunch of other kids playing together, most likely I simply didn't drink enough fluids.

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  9. hey city dweller, yr drinking water is recycled... by fantomas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well if you live anywhere with an urban infrastructure, chances are the water you had in your coffee / glass of tap water by your bed side has been recycled through other people too....

  10. Re:hey city dweller, yr drinking water is recycled by TuringCheck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All water and air and pretty much everything on Earth has been recycled through other creatures...

  11. Speaking as a structural firefighter in the US by CFD339 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a structural firefighter in the US, I fail to see the need for this other than in some specialized testing to help make better procedures.

    Our work is not like the movies. Yes, we wear heavy gear. Yes, it's quite hot in that gear even if there is no fire on a warm day. Inside a several hundred degress (F) building, it does it's job quite well. (Wool may be used as an insulator -- though I don't think so -- but only inside the carbon fiber and gnomex coverings which are far more important).

    We go into a building wearing an air bottle good for about 30 minutes for most people in good shape. A bit less if you're working hard, a bit more if you stretch it. After about 2/3 of that time (20min) a low air alert vibrates the mask letting you know it's time to leave. You have ten minutes before it becomes a problem.

    When we exit the building we go immediately to a "rehab" area manned by EMT's. We take off our coats (on a winter day you can see the steam coming off us) and are required to drink a 20oz bottle of water. The EMTs take heart rate and blood pressure readings as we enter rehab, and before we have to pass their requirements for health and safety -- basically that both heart rate and bp are dropping back toward normal readings.

    Nothing in this pill is going to change the requirements of the job. Carrying more stuff just makes the job harder. We're already laden with 80 pounds of stuff entering the building.

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    1. Re:Speaking as a structural firefighter in the US by CaptainDefragged · · Score: 3, Informative

      In this instance, the study is with the Country Fire Authority in Victoria, which means they are mostly fighting bushfires dressed in overall type materials. Whilst they do structural fires too in the rural areas, wildfires are their bread and butter. A good example is today, where it's been 45 to 47 degrees celcius most of the day with less than 20% humidity. Add to that strong, searing hot winds. They are there for hours, days or even weeks in some cases They look something like this: http://images.3aw.com.au/2009/02/09/375630/1fire424-3-424x283.jpg

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    2. Re:Speaking as a structural firefighter in the US by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2
      Well... lets compare australian firefighters with american firefighters shall we.

      I can see that you Americans might be worried about extra weight. :p

      But serious, you are talking about a building fire. What about a forest fire? One that may last for days, even weeks? I do not know much about heat but I did do my tour in the snow and frostbite was far easier to spot then gradual undercooling but frostbite doesn't kill you. Undercooling does. Your outside can withstand a huge temperature range especially for short times. Your insides cannot and overheating and undercooling are serious concerns for people operating in extremes.

      You have to ask a doctor, all we were told is to constantly check each other and if one was especially dimwitted (lets face it, we were all guys to stupid to escape the draft) to immediately report it and not leave them alone. It would have been a great deal easier if we could just check a readout and see that your buddy was just asleep on his feet and not freezing to dead.

      I can imagine that firefighters in the middle of a hell hole nation breaking record temperatures fighting week long forest fires in what is in essence a insulating container doing hard work might be at risk from overheating. It happens to sportsmen in shorts.

      It does you no credit to compare your 20 min house fires with massive forest fires in 50 degree Celsius heat. Also, why do you THINK you are checked over? Because people DIED before that was introduced. Your predeccesors probably look at all the stuff you are carrying and see nothing but a nancy boy. But they are dead and you are not yet. Lets trust that the doctors in this case want to make sure these Australian firefighters stay alive and not just make them swallow poopie pills for laughs.

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    3. Re:Speaking as a structural firefighter in the US by CFD339 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We have that kind of firefighting here as well, though different gear is worn. Typically thin gnomex overalls covering regular clothing is sufficient (helmet and gloves of course). That photo looks like structural firefighters attacking a brush fire -- probably a relatively small one or in a particularly dense area of population. You don't fight big forestry fires with water. You fight them with shovels (and where possible bulldozers) and back-fires. You use the shovel (or pulaski tool) to create a fire break around the fire. When a wild fire is said to be "50% contained" it means that they've been able to get a fire break around 50% of the fire. Usually, the fire itself will create its own break on the upwind side as it buns away from the wind, while the firefighters have to carve one out ahead of the fire and to the sides.

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    4. Re:Speaking as a structural firefighter in the US by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Procedures is exactly what this is about. How long can a firefighter work before suffering the effects of heatstress is the question. Humans themselves are horrendous judges of their own health while under the influence of adrenaline. I remember one fire (industrial firefighting) where one of the guys was on cooling duties on surrounding equipment. The main fire took ages to get under control and the hoseteam on cooling duties suddenly had one guy just drop the hose and pass out. No warning, no requests for a break, just splat. He was incredibly red and we rushed him to hospital.

      Heat stress.

    5. Re:Speaking as a structural firefighter in the US by CFD339 · · Score: 2

      Chill, dude. I'm sure CFA knows how to fight brush fires. What I'm saying is, you usually have different teams of people with different gear who usually fight the different kinds of fire. Given that they were using water in that photo and based on my experience, I can assume they are near a source of water. That, plus the gear they're wearing, implies they're more of a town crew than a wild land crew IN THAT PHOTO. You can relax now.

      Also, the pill would add very little -- the transmitter worn on the chest that relays the data -- that's another matter.

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  12. Re:suit by Jawnn · · Score: 2

    Correct, mostly. In the U.S., at least, structural firefighting gear is Nomex or Kevlar, or similar. Wildland firefighting gear is typically Nomex, but I believe that there are still a lot of wool trousers out there.