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Amazon Sidesteps App Store Business Model, Plays Back MP3s From Safari

Press2ToContinue writes "Amazon has found a simple way around Apple's tight-fisted App Store rules: give users a web app to buy MP3s that runs in Safari. This way, they have no need to pay 30% per tune to Apple. Freedom of choice of vendor in Apple-only territory? Is this a big breach of Apple's walled garden? I wonder if Apple with have a response to this."

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  1. The iPhone was designed for web apps. by stevenh2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the iPhone came out, there was no third-party native apps. People were expected to build web apps.

    1. Re:The iPhone was designed for web apps. by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. The question of whether this is a breach of the walled garden is stupid.

      One might also note that people have been playing music from YouTube from the start. For free.

  2. Comes down to Contract by irtza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sure amazon does not have the same contract as the small time developer and it will come down to licensing terms. They had to pull the link from within their old app before http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/amazon-others-cave-to-apple-on-in-app-purchases-today-html5-tomorrow/53116 so it was just a matter of time that they made it easy to purchase the apps on a phone conveniently. I don't see how this should even fall under terms of their license but I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't some broad reaching terms in the contract that apple will try to use as leverage.

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  3. No Breach by timmyf2371 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A bit of a sensationalist summary, but this is absolutely not a breach of the walled garden; the App Store rules and guidelines only apply for apps which are published in the App Store.

    Web apps, due to their very nature, are not covered by these guidelines and I suspect Apple isn't bothered by this. It's no different than buying a Kindle book via a web page and then downloading & reading it within the Kindle app itself.

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    1. Re:No Breach by vakuona · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not only that. 7digital has an app that allows you to download all the songs that have been bought on their website, and so you can actually have them on the phone all the time, as opposed to streaming them.

      Much ado about nothing!

  4. There will be no response by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple will have no response to this, and nor should they.

    This is exactly the path that Apple have been telling companies they should follow if they wish to sell media outside of the iOS app store.

    Amazon are simply following Apple's own guidance.

    1. Re:There will be no response by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think they have to stream the MP3s - they could be using Safari's persistent storage.

      In any case, on my Android phone I use Subsonic and get decent battery life. Subsonic streams music from your home server, but in practice it spends a few seconds downloading each song and the data connection sleeps for most of the time you are listening. I also use Pandora and find it to be acceptable.

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  5. Re:The point is to sell the hardware... by dakohli · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't the main purpose of the iTunes Music Store to sell iOS hardware? If I recall, doesn't most of the 30% of Apple's cut go into running the store?

    Apple is predominantly a hardware company, and they want people to buy their hardware. If the main purpose of their music/app stores is to sell the hardware then why would it matter where people actually get their music/apps from? Amazon is just giving people another reason to get an iOS device. They now have more options for their music purchases. Win/Win.

    This may have been the case when it all started, but at some point, Apple realized the earning potential to monetize the entire experience. They provide the Hardware, and the mechanism to provide Apps, as well as provide the content. It is not in Apple's best interests to allow the user to acquire content through other sources. Period.

    ITunes is central to Apple's system of consumption. Through this one interface, users can get all the content they would ever need. It is the easiest way to get content onto your iPhone, or Ipod. It is fairly trivial to get videos and songs into Itunes without purchasing it through Apple although many Users will never really do it on a large scale because it involves a couple of extra steps.

    Apple can claim all day long that they are just a Hardware Company, but I haven't believed that for a long time.

  6. Re:The point is to sell the hardware... by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This may have been the case when it all started, but at some point, Apple realized the earning potential to monetize the entire experience. They provide the Hardware, and the mechanism to provide Apps, as well as provide the content. It is not in Apple's best interests to allow the user to acquire content through other sources. Period.

    The problem with your belief is that there are no facts to back it up. We know that Apple make lots of profit on the hardware. But there's no evidence that they make very much profit from iTunes.

    Apple can claim all day long that they are just a Hardware Company, but I haven't believed that for a long time.

    It's not Apple that are claiming it. It's just the conclusion that most people who watch Apple closely have come to.

  7. Re:Safari Broken In 3... 2... 1... by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And Safari will be broken In 3... 2... 1... At least that's what would happen when Steve was alive.

    That would be the same Steve that told everybody that the official way of getting apps onto the iPhone was through web apps when he first launched it?

    Mobile Safari and web apps have always been a vital part of the iPhone. It changed the mobile web landscape completely, because it was the first popular mobile phone with a desktop-class web browser built in. Your revisionist history implying that Steve would happily throw Mobile Safari under the bus to hurt a competitor is at odds with history.

    Along with an explanation that the Amazon Web app was compromising stability and user experience.

    Presumably you are referring to mobile Flash. I think it's abundantly clear that this was actually the case and not an anti-competitive move. Even Android and Adobe dropped mobile Flash.

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  8. Speculative idiocy about Apple never stops by DavidinAla · · Score: 3, Informative

    The rules for iOS are very simple. If you want to sell apps through the App Store — or sell anything inside those apps — you give Apple a 30 percent cut. If you want to sell through the web browser, you're own your own. The idea that Apple has any interest in controlling what are essentially web pages is sheer idiocy. There's absolutely no evidence to cause a rational person to even ask the question. It's only insane hatred of Apple and the desire to attack the company that could be behind such a question, because there is no rational reason to even bring it up. If you want to sell something through what is essentially a webpage that has a link on your screen, Apple has never shown the least bit of interest in stopping you. It's sheer delusion to suggest otherwise.

    1. Re:Speculative idiocy about Apple never stops by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or, you simply installed Linux and moved on from the idea that you have to pay for something to get quality software....

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  9. Nonsense... by Kergan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple has been clear from the start on this: "Don't like the App store's policies? Make an html5 app!" In fact, it was the only way to build apps for the original iPhone -- with Apple's blessing, at that. (And it still is how unwelcome vendors, e.g. porn operators, build iOS apps.)

  10. Re:Well... by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apple Marketers with Moderator Points out in full force this fine Saturday afternoon.

    The Apple Mod Army is not to be trifled with. Their attention span is short, but their attack is vicious.

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