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Accessorize Your Phone With Another Phone

Rambo Tribble writes "Ars Technica reports that HTC is introducing the Mini, a small, more convenient and feature-reduced phone to tie into your big, cumbersome smartphone. So, dumb is the new smart?" Don't forget a wristwatch phone to connect to the smaller phone.

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  1. Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do yourself a favor and buy a ruggedized outdoor phone. They last forever, have long battery life and unlike most smartphones are actually usable for making phone calls.

    1. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why is this downmodded?

      Oh right, cos its sensible advice and this is slashdot...

    2. Re:Do yourself a favor by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Do yourself a favor and buy a ruggedized outdoor phone. They last forever, have long battery life and unlike most smartphones are actually usable for making phone calls.

      What model do you suggest?

      I love my smartphone because it can do almost anything but I'll admit that a low end Nokia dumb phone is actually better for making and receiving phone calls.

    3. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's down modded because the only thing most moderator hate more than a poster he disagrees with is an anonymous poster. For some reason, they think that associating a post with names like "drinkypoo" or "niris" are someone less "cowardly" than using "Anonymous coward". Some people will claim that "anonymous coward posts don't get modded up because it's a 'waste' of mod points," but then stuff like this happens, demonstrating that's not the whole story.

    4. Re:Do yourself a favor by F34nor · · Score: 1

      Samsung Rugby Pro or Sony Acro S

    5. Re:Do yourself a favor by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2
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    6. Re:Do yourself a favor by clonehappy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have been a phone geek for as long as I could afford a cell phone. All I can say about smartphones is buy quality, not hype. There are perfectly fine smartphones that do it all and do it well (hint: they don't have an "i" or "Galaxy" in their name)...and since the company that makes the majority of them being acquired by Google, I think the landscape may soon be changing. That being said, I like having a fully-featured smartphone I don't have to curse at or feel like throwing on a daily basis while others continue to buy whatever device Madison Avenue shoves down their throats.

    7. Re:Do yourself a favor by stan_qaz · · Score: 1

      Not a Motorola Barrage, the Bluetooth system doesn't work very well. After a call made or answered from your bluetooth device the phone may not reconnect to it properly properly and you'll be scrambling for your phone when it rings and your car/headphone remains silent.

    8. Re:Do yourself a favor by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Do yourself a favor and buy a ruggedized outdoor phone. They last forever, have long battery life and unlike most smartphones are actually usable for making phone calls.

      They still aren't waterproof. And I have a 300 watt, 120vlt aquarium heater that argues strongly against the idea that it's not possible to make a cellphone waterproof.

    9. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... actually usable for making phone calls.

      Why would anyone want that? ... Seriously though, it's my least used feature.

    10. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would question this posters judgement as he recommended a sony product.

    11. Re:Do yourself a favor by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      They still aren't waterproof. And I have a 300 watt, 120vlt aquarium heater that argues strongly against the idea that it's not possible to make a cellphone waterproof.

      Almost. I have just acquired a Samsung Galaxy Xcover, also known as 'Extreme', which can withstand 1 meter for 30 mins. It has a metal case and Gorilla glass. It doesn't have the latest bells and whistles but I reckon it's a reasonably rugged basic smartphone.

    12. Re:Do yourself a favor by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If you care more about battery life, then look at LG GX200.

    13. Re:Do yourself a favor by jonadab · · Score: 1

      We've got a beige wall-mounted rotary phone.

      I don't know about _forever_, but it has lasted since we got it (in the seventies), does not require batteries at all, is very usable for making phone calls, does not have reception problems like almost all cellphones, and comfortably reaches all the way from beside the ear to in front of the mouth. Oh, and it works when the power is out.

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    14. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its true remember the rootkit fiasco and the remove of other os

    15. Re:Do yourself a favor by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Many of my (foreign) students have two phones: an iPhone for status, often given by parents, and an android phone that they use for all the things they need a phone for (including email, pictures, SMS and phone calls of course.) I asked them why they all had two phones (thinking they had a reason to need two phones) but no, it was just style and status as well as functionality.

      Of course I also have a remarkable number of students who have Macbooks that run windows xp. It is pretty funny to see them bring out their shiny new macbook and then hear the windows xp welcome tones on start-up.

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    16. Re:Do yourself a favor by davydagger · · Score: 1

      itt someone found a good use for windows 8 phones

    17. Re:Do yourself a favor by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Samsung Rugby Pro or Sony Acro S

      Those are both Android phones, with relatively large (and therefore vulnerable) screens.

      The advantage of old fashioned dumbphones is that they have a tiny screen which is much easier to protect, and means you can get a nice small overall phone to fit in your pocket

      That's what I would go for if I wanted a phone I could take on building sites or on wilderness camping trips.

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    18. Re:Do yourself a favor by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      its true remember the rootkit fiasco and the remove of other os

      Why would that affect what phone, TV or other piece of consumer electronics you bought?

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    19. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumb phones are for "Smart People", and Smart phones are for "Dumb People"... I Knew there was a reason why I have always despised the smart phone.. Not just that when I go to pick my kids up at school you see every single one of them with their heads buried in there smart phones, tripping over eachother, getting on the wrong buses, not seeing parents waiting for them, completely zombified.. Adults are'nt any better, they do it while driving, working, conversating in public... Look! When I'm talking to you.. Pay Attention.. and get your head out of your phone.. I walk away from everyone and anyone that does to me.. It's rude.. Idiots...

    20. Re:Do yourself a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See how smart that phone is after I shove it up your Arse!!!

  2. Obligatory... by Niris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yo dawg, I heard you like phones, so I put a phone with your phone, so you can use a phone while you use your phone.

    1. Re:Obligatory... by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      Over in 2.

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    2. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! You just pimped my phone!

    3. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absurd, get a normal 3.5" android phone, if you can find one with a real slide out keyboard better. You need something with enough battery for at least a day

    4. Re:Obligatory... by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      And if your iPhone ever gets stolen from you in Central park by some punk in pink sneakers the police can help...

      http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57566024-71/the-ultimate-gall-of-a-heartless-iphone-thief/

    5. Re:Obligatory... by Mathematiker · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link - made me laugh :)

  3. Start of something big. by senorpoco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why stop there? Have a separate camera, a separate music player too. What a wonderful future that will be where instead of one device capable of doing lots of things we have lots of individual devices dedicated to a single purpose.

    1. Re:Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's what I pitched to my wife, reduce her job to a single purpose while I branch out and get another unit that assumes the other role (i.e. "Yo bitch, you make me some sammiches while I sleep with my mistress all classy like"). She didn't seem to appreciate the suggestion.

    2. Re:Start of something big. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Give me a tablet with a keyboard bluetooth headset, and I'm good.

      Granted, there are times when you don't have your headset on and will end up talking to the tablet, but that's not such a big deal.

      I don't see the motivation for having a wristwatch, or smaller phone, to communicate with my phone. It would seem to defeat the purpose of having a mobile phone in the first place. Hell, you can get an actual phone in a wristwatch today, if that's the way you want to go. But I still want my tablet.

    3. Re:Start of something big. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      That should have read "keyboard AND bluetooth headset".

      There are times when it would not be practical to use the keyboard, either. But it's still useable. That's what I like about tablets.

    4. Re:Start of something big. by pla · · Score: 2

      Why stop there? Have a separate camera, a separate music player too. What a wonderful future that will be where instead of one device capable of doing lots of things we have lots of individual devices dedicated to a single purpose.

      I know you jest, but seriously, some functions just don't conveniently tie into an all-in-one device. Smartphones take crap pictures, for example. And as TFA points out, they really don't make a very good form-factor as phones, either.

      I actually kinda like your (and TFA's) idea, taken to an extreme. Use your tablet as a sort of personal server for storage and "real" communication, and everything else can just talk back to it via NFC.

      Only annoyance there - Power. If we can solve that one without needing to plug in half a dozen peripherals every night, I'd call this a winner.

    5. Re:Start of something big. by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      You're trying to tell me that your tab w/a headset is as convenient as whipping out my handset? You're dreamin' pal.

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    6. Re:Start of something big. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      So do you carry the tablet absolutely everywhere you go?

    7. Re:Start of something big. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "You're trying to tell me that your tab w/a headset is as convenient as whipping out my handset? You're dreamin' pal."

      And you're trying to tell me that your handset can conveniently do spreadsheets and word processing? You're dreaming, pal.

      I didn't say it was "as convenient"... that depends on your needs. What I stated was that *I* was good with that particular compromise.

    8. Re:Start of something big. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "So do you carry the tablet absolutely everywhere you go?"

      Do you carry a briefcase absolutely everywhere you go? Or maybe a purse? To be honest, usually I carry a small backpack. Tablet in backpack + bluetooth headset sounds good to me.

    9. Re:Start of something big. by obarthelemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not so true about pictures.
      1- High-end smartphones (iP4s, iP5, GS3, GNote2...) take okay pictures. For a blog or email, or even regular-size prints, they are more then "good enough".
      2- smartphone video compares even more favorably to regular cameras
      3- and above all let you have something to take pictures *all the time*. My brother has a semi-expensive camera, and a shitty smartphone that even went through the wash once. The pictures we get of the nephews are more often take with his smartphone, because that's what he always has with him.

      Now, if you want to get arty or A4-size, sure, get a true camera. If you want to shoot un-arty slices of life for friends and family, no need.

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    10. Re:Start of something big. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      "So do you carry the tablet absolutely everywhere you go?"

      Do you carry a briefcase absolutely everywhere you go? Or maybe a purse?

      No, not when I am sailing, caving, rock clumbing, bike riding, etc. But I always need a phone for safety reasons.

    11. Re: Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what I do with my galaxy note. Works fine and I get to have a 5" phone, which is great for showing people pictures at work (I do site visits for my engineering company a lot)

    12. Re:Start of something big. by F34nor · · Score: 2

      I operate heavy equipment, and by the time I can hear my phone. get it off my otter box belt clip, and get my gloves off to swipe to answer it has gone to VM. When I call them back they inevitably don't answer because they are leaving some wordy fucking message that I will never listen to. I would use this for sure mostly because I could kick the shit out of it and not worry. But it doen't go far enough, here is what I want.

      Rubberized brick with CPU memory and battery that is induction or wirelessly charged. From there I'd like a series of preogessively larger screen from watch to phone to tablet to monitor to tv that all acccess the same device. The watch for caller ID and sms to screen calls. I'd like a headset phone like this in my pocket that is water proof and possibly a flip design for cheek operation. At home I'd like tablet Asus Padphone like setup and a thunderbolt to internal top of the line GPU so that any screen accesses the same underlying OS and data (Fuck the cloud, only chumps relinquish physical control of their data) and when I want to I can play Crysis at 40 fps. My 2+ year old Atrix can run Ubuntu on a HDMI with mouse and keyboard so it is no a stretch.

      So lets pre-reply to the trolls. I don't give a fuck what you want or think is OK there is a 50% chance you are dumber than average so I doubt I would even talk to you in person.

    13. Re:Start of something big. by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      I've been doing this for years - I have multiple phones in my pockets at all times.

      I have a small candybar phone with a 12-digit keypad that I use as a phone, and a 4+ smartphone that my s.o. affectionately calls my "mini-tab", since it replaced my large tablet for all things portable and android.

      I tried using the smartphone as my primary for a while, and I nearly threw it against the walls on a daily basis. Texting on a touchscreen with big fingers is very nearly the most consistently frustrating thing I have ever attempted. On my candybar, (literally) on the other hand, I can text with 99.3%+ accuracy without looking at the screen. My ease of textual communication is outstanding in comparison on the small phone.

      So even though the candybar has shitty voice quality, I won't give it up as my "primary" phone.

      Now if someone would make a bluetooth, T9/multi-tap, phone-sized, reasonably ergonomic, 12-key keypad that I could pair with the smartphone, I'd be in heaven and would ditch the little guy straightaway. But until then, two devices is where I'll stay.

    14. Re:Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it has gone to VM. When I call them back they inevitably don't answer because they are leaving some wordy fucking message that I will never listen to"

      Easy solutions:
      Turn off voicemail? Wait for the text message that someone left a voicemail before calling back?

    15. Re:Start of something big. by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I know you jest, but seriously, some functions just don't conveniently tie into an all-in-one device. Smartphones take crap pictures, for example.

      Modern smartphones take pictures that are good enough for many people, like Ben Lowe, who does photography for the big boys (he uses an iPhone):
      http://www.tuaw.com/2012/11/06/time-magazine-cover-shot-with-iphone/

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    16. Re:Start of something big. by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      F. Yeah. Just like in Johnny Mnemonic.

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    17. Re:Start of something big. by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      I've been saying this for years: "smartphone so big it barely fits in my shirt pocket, and a BT headset."

      The headsets look dorky, but not as dorky as a 6" phablet on your face, and I'd rather look dorky than carry a Palm Pilot and a cell phone - bt,dt.

    18. Re:Start of something big. by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      My ideal solution would be an Asus Padfone, preferably the first one, since Padfone 2 lacks keyboard dock, so you'll have enough battery life for all day bluetooth. Then a bluetooth headset such as Jabra Clipper so you won't look like an idiot with a bluetooth headset dangling on your ear all day. The final piece of the kit is Sony Smartwatch. With the smartwatch, you'll be able to see who's calling, read sms and gmail, control media player and many more, while keeping the padfone docked on its' station and stored inside your bag. And the battery life is quite good too. Finally, if you need to be away from your bag, just take out the padfone from the station, and put it in your pocket

    19. Re:Start of something big. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      And you're trying to tell me that your handset can conveniently do spreadsheets and word processing? You're dreaming, pal.

      I was filling in a few spreadsheets, and composing proposals on a train on a iPhone. It's not AS easy on on a computer or a tablet but it does work and work well.

      As for "convenience" it's way more convenient to carry a smartphone in your pocket.

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    20. Re:Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I felt the same way you do until I took my kid to a birthday party and later saw some pictures taken of my kid with a real camera (an outdated Canon 400D). I went out the next week and bought a real camera. Smartphones take acceptable pictures if the light is good and the subject doesn't move (e.g. buildings, landscapes). However low light conditions produce grainy pictures because the optical sensor is too small. The shutter speed is so slow that even in daylight any movement of your subject results in blurry shots. When taking pictures of kids I throw out 4 out of every 5 shots because kids move a lot and a moving hand means a wasted shot. The wide field of view on the lens means you have to get right up into your subjects face to get a good portrait (usually spooking your subject) and the iPhone in particular struggles to focus correctly at close range. This isn't anything to do with getting arty. These are regular every day shots ruined by phones.

    21. Re:Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, my 7.9" tablet that acts as a phone as well goes with me everywhere. Fits in my pocket and is really light and durable, as well. Bluetooth is your friend.

    22. Re:Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 - Its "more than good enough", not "more then good enough".
      2 - debatable for modern 'regular' cameras.
      3 - The best camera is the one you have with you.

    23. Re:Start of something big. by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      My tablet only has a 7 hour battery life. My netbook has about the same. Not much good to me as an always-on communications device. My smartphone still has about 36 hours battery life, and the battery is a few years old now.

      How long does your tablet last? (If it's a long time, what's the model? I'm genuinely interested).

    24. Re:Start of something big. by Mathematiker · · Score: 1

      Texting on a touchscreen with big fingers is very nearly the most consistently frustrating thing I have ever attempted. On my candybar, (literally) on the other hand, I can text with 99.3%+ accuracy without looking at the screen. My ease of textual communication is outstanding in comparison on the small phone.

      Interesting. My experience has been the complete opposite. I _started_ texting when I got my touchscreen-smartphone; texting on my old brick using T9 (or some other pseudo-smart helping system) was painful. Then again, maybe the touchscreen on my smartphone is big enough to be useful...

    25. Re:Start of something big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then != than

    26. Re:Start of something big. by Omestes · · Score: 1

      What a wonderful future that will be where instead of one device capable of doing lots of things we have lots of individual devices dedicated to a single purpose.

      Which is actually what I do.

      My DLSR is thousands of time better than my phone's camera. When I don't want to carry my huge, fragile, and expensive camera with me, I was a little Olympus mirrorless, that still takes better pictures than my phone, and pretty much (with a small, pancake prime) fits in my pocket.

      My iPod is better than my phone's music player. It has more battery life, and when the battery dies I'm not left in the cold. It can hold more music, and I actually own said music (as opposed to rent). Cloud players are great, but my iPod doesn't eat into my limited data cap that Verizon forced on me this year.

      My Nook is many times more convenient than trying to read a full novel on my itty-bitty, backlit, phone screen. Same thing as the ipod, too, if my Nook's battery dies I'm out of reading material, if my phone's dies, I'm screwed. Further, I've also been known to carry Real Paper(tm) books, or Dead Pulp(tm) magazines.

      I'm almost at the point where I want to carry a 7" tablet, and a dumb phone (like a Nokia brick), instead of a "smart"phone. Smartphones kind of suck at everything. And by trying to do everything they compromise the most important aspect, being a PHONE. Right now, my phone can barely carry a charge throughout the day, with normal use, if I use GPS on it, I'll probably have to keep it plugged in the cigarette lighter outlet. The voice quality is suspect (and has been on everyone smartphone I've used or owned). Using the internet on them, or typing anything more than "c u 2nite"-type-drivel is annoying.

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    27. Re:Start of something big. by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      No, not when I am sailing, caving, rock clumbing, bike riding, etc. But I always need a phone for safety reasons.

      If you don't already have one, you should get a rugged phone. My brother speaks highly of his Samsung Extreme (or a very similar model). He doesn't rely on it for safety, but it has taken a lot of abuse and still works perfectly. You might still have connectivity issues in caves, though :)

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    28. Re:Start of something big. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I am fine with my LG Optimus. It lives in my back pack inside a waterproof bag a lot of the time. Its a small phone and carrying a big tablet seems silly to me. But I do like the bluetooth wristwatch peripheral which somebody linked to. It might be good for wearing to work.

    29. Re:Start of something big. by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Interesting... I've never done T9, only multi-tap. And over the years I've gotten good enough that I can text a three-SMS-long message with a mean approaching zero errors without looking at the message even once before I send it. I take notes during meetings, blind text, etc., without having to do so much as glance at my device. Contrast this to a smartphone, where I have to double-check every WORD, in case I mis-typed. And it's not a screen- or keyboard-size issue; even a 10" iPad turned sideways gives me exactly the same problem.

      So until there is a tactile feedback mechanism for keyboard orientation AND key feedback, count me out for "smart"phone use for typing. Thanks, but no thanks.

      I know that I'm in the minority, though... there are many people who seem to have the same experience you've had, which is why I'm left with a dinosaur phone and the burden of multiple devices/chargers/phone plans/etc. I can only hope there's someone like me out there who has some manufacturing experience and the ability to solve our problem. I'd pay $300-400 for a solution at this point; it would cost less than my data plan and pay for itself in a few months!

    30. Re:Start of something big. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "So do you carry the tablet absolutely everywhere you go?"

      Do you carry a briefcase absolutely everywhere you go? Or maybe a purse? To be honest, usually I carry a small backpack. Tablet in backpack + bluetooth headset sounds good to me.

      As I'm not a lawyer, woman or student, no I don't carry something with me all the time that would fit a tablet in. I suppose you could get a 7 inch tablet in my coat pocket, but it would feel awkward and vulnerable.

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    31. Re:Start of something big. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Actually, my 7.9" tablet that acts as a phone as well goes with me everywhere. Fits in my pocket and is really light and durable, as well. Bluetooth is your friend.

      You must walk around with a constant snorting sound as background noise, where people are trying not to laugh openly at you.

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    32. Re:Start of something big. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      You won't get Crysis running on your phone, but the rest is doable. You can remote control your phone from your home PC, and you can get Bluetooth connected smart watches for exactly what you want to do WRT text messages and callers. Bluetooth headphones will let you take the call, and often have buttons which you can operate with gloves on.

      As for gaming, it's a little different. You can either have a gaming PC, or you can have a regular PC and an external graphics adapter like ViDock I don't know if it's still available, or if they'll update it for USB3 / Thunderbolt, but if they do it might be a suitable solution for a mobile gamer.

      FWIW, I want the same thing you do.

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    33. Re:Start of something big. by F34nor · · Score: 1

      The LaCie Thunderbolt external PCI seems to actually work after all this time.

  4. Laugh by koan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love how they keep calling them smart "phones", it's really a tracking device with facial recognition, vocal recognition, finger print recognition, your bank info, GPS, and has a "phone" included. (primarily for a constant data connection for the aforementioned attributes)
    It reminds me of the vases with clocks in them. "and it has a clock!!!"

    Phones indeed...

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    1. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of the vases with clocks in them. "and it has a clock!!!"

      This gives me an idea! Listen to this: why don't we make a clock that also has a vase?

    2. Re:Laugh by nategasser · · Score: 1

      I'd still rather call them phones. I can't stand it when people call them "devices."

    3. Re:Laugh by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      Considering most phones these days place less emphasis on actual calls than on including millions of features, it's probably more accurate to call them devices.

    4. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until you find out what a dashboard is.

    5. Re:Laugh by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, it'd be much easier to call them "tracking device with facial recognition, vocal recognition, finger print recognition, your bank info, GPS, and has a "phone" included". Good point.

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    6. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes zillions of mostly pointless time wasting features nobody really needs and the ones the one may possibly have a need for badly implemented (in most of the cases).

    7. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I call mine a tricorder. It does computing, gives directions, takes my pulse, and finds life forms (OK, finds my family via latitude, but it works). My phone does just about everything a tricorder on star trek could do - except for maybe tell me the chemical composition of some random material sample.

    8. Re:Laugh by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Maybe by now are more used the lot of extras than the core, but it is still is the core. Phones has evolved from just for calls to what are now piling up features over them.

      Anyway, that don't explain why the N900 was called a smartphone if was something that evolved from a tablet/pocket computer by adding phone capabilities to it. Is like calling fish a dolphin.

    9. Re:Laugh by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Take a note from ST and call them "Communicators" though that still is not accurate for most. PDA is the closest but that fell out of favor in the 90s.

      The Brits probably do it best, "Mobile" is as amorphous as you can get.

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    10. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah or t.d.w.f.r.v.rfpr.bi.gps.p. for short

      or something

    11. Re:Laugh by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Brits probably do it best, "Mobile" is as amorphous as you can get.

      Well, in Germany we usually call it "Handy". That's even more amorphous, isn't it? :-)

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    12. Re:Laugh by Kreigaffe · · Score: 1

      Device is unspecific; phone may not encompass the entirety of the device, but so what? it is a phone, and, in time, the definition of phone will change to match the fullness of the things we call phones.

      many things are devices which are not phones, but phones are clearly a smaller subset of things than devices -- use the term phone, not device, as both are devices but only one could be called a phone. even if you never make calls on it.

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    13. Re:Laugh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I love how you call the thing on your head hair. It's really just tin foil designed to stop the government satellites from tracking you.

    14. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yet every day there is an article about the abuse of "privacy"
      Apple tracking your movements
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears
      Facial recognition
      https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=facial+recognition+data+from+stored
      Apple storing voice recognition data
      http://ediscoverylabs.com/2012/06/does-siri-have-loose-lips-ediscovery-implications-of-apples-cell-phone-voice-recognition-software/

      Story after story after story, but you seem concerned with tinfoil (which hasn't been used since the turn of the century) it's just doesn't occur to your gigantic brain and all knowing mind that "authorities" might be very happy to have all that data.

    15. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Ingsoc prefers the term "telescreen" for a reason.

    16. Re:Laugh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Take a note from ST and call them "Communicators"

      Too many syllables. Noone is going to call it that. The only reason they can get away with it on ST is that the scriptwriters insist on using a word that sounds "scifi", rather than admitting that they'll prolly still call them "phones" in the future.

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    17. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not called a smart phone, it's called a smartphone. It's a new term.

    18. Re:Laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK Slashdot, how on earth did the parent post get +5 insightful?

      I mean, really, show me one mainstream phone that has fingerprint recognition in it.

  5. Do they integrate? by Animats · · Score: 1

    Can you get several devices on the same phone number? Do they synchronize their contact lists? And, most important, are you going to be charged for two airtime plans?

    1. Re:Do they integrate? by Internal+Modem · · Score: 2

      The article points out that it connects to the main (mother) phone via NFC. It's a tethered phone rather than one that connects to the cellular carrier.

    2. Re:Do they integrate? by Agent+ME · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's more like a bluetooth headset than a separate phone.

    3. Re:Do they integrate? by icebike · · Score: 1

      Click the link in the story.

      The little handset does not have its own phone number or sim card. It connects to your bigger phone (which is more like a small tablet) via NFC.
      This allows you to leave your big phone in your inside jacket pocket, or purse, and answer calls on the small handset.

      It avoids the duchebaggery of holding a monstrous tablet up to your ear in public, or appearing to be talking to no-one in particular on a Bluetooth headset.

      So you only need one number, one data plan, and it goes on your phone/tablet. That tablet/phone uses this as an ear-piece+mic.

      The linked story says it uses NFC, but I suspect that is only for pairing. Because, everything the manufacturers have been telling us about NFC to date has made a point of telling us it was only going to work if you tapped the phone on the pay terminal. To suddenly release a device that suggests the NFC chip can be read from several feet away wouldn't sit well with a lot of people.

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    4. Re:Do they integrate? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they got jealous about sony-e's android running watch that connects to your phone.
      and being the htc they are they couldn't fit it in a watch.

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    5. Re:Do they integrate? by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      That is what I was thinking. I personally find bluetooth headsets to be cumbersome. They are uncomfortable, I don't get enough calls to warrant wearing one all of the time and if it isn't on and paired when the phone rings, you might as well not have one. Having a small bluetooth handset would actually be convenient. Being able to pair it via NFC would make it all the more convenient.

  6. Oh, the wrist phone is connected to the hand phone by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    The hand phone is connected to the ear phone...

    Let's just go with the implants, ok? You can stream everything you see and hear on your facebook page.

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  7. Small really is good by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    I have this dead 2G Sony Ericsson phone which was small and very easy to carry around. The other week I saw an ipod nano in a shop. It has a little screen with six icons on it. I thought that if apple made an iphone in that form factor I would actually buy one.

    1. Re:Small really is good by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Where's the implanted 'tooth phone' that the tech companies predicted would be around by now? Instead they want us to buy a phone for our phone? Stop the world, it's officialy gone mad, and I want to get off!

    2. Re:Small really is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It turns out that most of the people who would buy these tooth phone devices take care of their teeth and do not need dentures and lets face it, few people would ever get a root canal unless absolutely necessary.

      In short, the market for it wasn't there.

  8. The biggest problem with Smart Phones seems to be by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    Some smart phones don't keep a charge for a full day. So people are constantly charging their phones and it is cumbersome sometimes. If you have a phone specialized for power economy to keep a charge for days, yet is just a dumb phone tied in on the same number, I'm sure people would go for it. Think about the benefits: 1) If your smart phone's battery dies, simply take your dumb phone for the interim. 2) Since your smart phone is your primary phone, if you lose it, you'll know your dumb phone is on the charger to make a call.... or call your smart phone to find out where you misplaced it. 3) The cost isn't recurring, it should be just a one time cost to get a dumb phone for you.

    I don't advocate taking two phones around with you when you walk because that is cumbersome, but having your pick of which one you want to take with you really helps with the major problem of smart phones: That they run out of charge rapidly.

  9. Smartphone market is saturated... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ... so a new market needs to be created to allow people to buy additional shiny toys.

  10. Re:Oh, the wrist phone is connected to the hand ph by bmo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's just go with the implants, ok?

    Yeah, so we really can't tell between the crazies and phone users.

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  11. I'm still waiting for a Zoolander dumb-phone by stuporglue · · Score: 1

    I am still waiting for a tiny Zoolander phone.

    Since it'd be a dumb phone, it could be mostly battery and could last a week between charges.

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    1. Re:I'm still waiting for a Zoolander dumb-phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I still use an old Nokia flip phone. It is so small, you can hide the phone by closing your fist. It it the only phone I could fit in my pocket and forget about it. I can use it for 5 days before recharging. There is nothing smart about a smart phone.

  12. It's backwards by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't understand this. Why would you take your inconvenient, expensive to upgrade, battery-sucking tablet and put your SIM card inside it? Then bring a smaller device in case it's too inconvenient to take out your smartphone?

    Why not have a small phone with great battery life and core features, then just use it as a hotspot for a tablet? I was looking at wristwatch phones and none of them seem to do this. There's even the new Pebble http://getpebble.com/... which is a wristwatch UI for your fat phone.

    This whole trend is backwards. Put the phone on our wrists and let us carry an optional tablet, handset or earpiece.

    1. Re:It's backwards by ldbapp · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's what I posted, umm, before I read your post. (Premature posticulation.) Let's start our own hardware company. There are no barriers to entry, right? ;)

    2. Re:It's backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Why not have a small phone with great battery life and core features, then just use it as a hotspot for a tablet?

      RIM tried that... it was called the Playbook. It sucked.

    3. Re:It's backwards by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      well you hit the gist with "great battery life". a great battery doesn't fit into your phone.

      besides, nokia was doing that route already with 770 internet tablet(which did not have a phone and you were expected to use bt connection to a phone to connect to the net on the go). people wanted to be able to make calls with it. an extra device to carry is an extra device to carry.

      besides, wrist phones suck ass unless you want to carry a bt headset all the time.

      and these guys are just being asses and are just releasing a really high end bluetooth handset/remote. of which we have had plenty.

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    4. Re:It's backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely, I want a cell phone watch that has no speaker, no interface beyond vibrating or tingling when I get a call. Bluetooth to the headsets for calls, voice recognition for outbound calling, and bluetooth or wifi hotspot for the tablet. Perhaps, just perhaps, text to speech and back for texts, but not really; just do that on the tablet, as I'm not big on texting.

    5. Re:It's backwards by Big+Nemo+'60 · · Score: 2

      Believe it or not, before purchasing my current smart phone, I actually looked for an arrangement like that - a very small (5" max) Android 4.x tablet with Wi-Fi (no 3G) and a small, sturdy phone that could also work as a Wi-Fi hotspot (which cheap Android phones seem to handle pretty well now, btw).

      Eventually I gave up because (a) I could not find a tablet smaller than 7" of acceptable quality (this may have changed - I did not check again after I eventually purchased a smart phone) and (b) where I live (somewhere in Europe) network operators charge you extra if you use your cellphone to connect other devices to the 'net (it is actually a separate service from the smart phone data package).

      If I could overcome these issues I would still go that way. I would expect much better battery life for both devices (like when I carried a Palm TX and a cellphone) and I would not be a bit surprised if the two devices together would be cheaper than a high-end smart phone. Fringe benefit, I would expect to be able to upgrade each device separately when needed. Also, when I do not need the tablet I could leave it at home.

      Details to be defined: where the GPS receiver should be (I'd say in the phone, even if the map app should obviously run on the tablet), what to synchronize between the two (I'd say only the contacts, the tablet being the master).

      I am a bit of a Star Trek fan, and I always considered how Starfleet officers carry two devices - a communicator (always) and a datapad (when needed). OK make three devices with the Phaser ;-)

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    6. Re:It's backwards by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 2

      It's just a matter of which device is the one you use most and carry with you all the time and which device is the optional accessory you only carry when you need it. We call them "smartphones" but increasingly they're portable computers that are only occasionally used to make phone calls.

      If you spend most of your time browsing the web and watching cat videos, it makes sense to put the connection in the device so you don't have to carry around a hotspot too. Then you have a Bluetooth headset -- which is basically what the HTC Mini is -- for those infrequent occasions when you need to have a long phone conversation. If you're not expecting any calls, you leave the headset at home.

    7. Re:It's backwards by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't understand this. Why would you take your inconvenient, expensive to upgrade, battery-sucking tablet and put your SIM card inside it? Then bring a smaller device in case it's too inconvenient to take out your smartphone?

      Why not have a small phone with great battery life and core features, then just use it as a hotspot for a tablet? I was looking at wristwatch phones and none of them seem to do this.

      A watch-sized 4G hotspot with a tiny watch battery would last about 30 minutes in real life.

      This device would do the trick I suppose, but with that baby strapped to your wrist -- it would look more like a court-mandated gps-tracker. And I doubt that's the fashion statement you'd want to go for.

    8. Re:It's backwards by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      a small phone with great battery life and ... hotspot for a tablet?

      And you lost me right there.

      Great trick to combat that annoying friend at the party who is always on the phone, grab his phone and put it into hotspot mode. Guaranteed the battery will be dead within the hour.

    9. Re:It's backwards by mobets · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth teathering seems not to drain the battery too fast.

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    10. Re:It's backwards by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      They were, again, ahead of their time.

    11. Re:It's backwards by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      "a great battery doesn't fit into your phone."

      My Nokia C40 lasts 7 days on a single charge.

      When you reduce the functionality, the battery life goes up dramatically. With the small displays, there's little value in having a lot of features. Just the basics, and the ability to interface with other peripherals.

    12. Re:It's backwards by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      Blackberries aren't small, don't have a great battery life and without BES, barely let you sync your address book.

    13. Re:It's backwards by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you spend most of your time browsing the web and watching cat videos

      What do you mean "if"?

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  13. Yer Doing it Wrong by MrLogic17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If your smart phone is too cumbersome, the solution is NOT to get another gadget to add to the complexity.

    Seriously, some folks are so gadget happy with their oohh-aaahh features on their phones that they forget why they bought it.Speak with your wallet. Buy a phone that works for your needs, and is easy to use.

    1. Re:Yer Doing it Wrong by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Almost everything in the retail channels are smart phones.
      I still have a feature phone and it saddens me that almost no one manufactures them anymore.

      It's gotten to the point where low-end smart phones are being pushed hard into Africa, which has generally been a stronghold for the dumb phone.

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    2. Re:Yer Doing it Wrong by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      Seriously, some folks are so gadget happy with their oohh-aaahh features on their phones that they forget why they bought it.

      I think you're confused about why they bought it. We call them "smartphones" but their primary purpose these days is browsing the web, not making phone calls.

    3. Re:Yer Doing it Wrong by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Seriously, some folks are so gadget happy with their oohh-aaahh features on their phones that they forget why they bought it.

      I think you're confused about why they bought it. We call them "smartphones" but their primary purpose these days is browsing the web, not making phone calls.

      Personally, I find browsing the web much easier on a computer with a screen bigger than 5 inches.

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  14. Getting ridiculous by Arcady13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your phone is so big and cumbersome that you need a second phone that is easier to hold and easier to handle, then why wouldn't you just get a primary phone that fits those requirements in the first place?

    I see these people with their ridiculous 5 inch Android phones. They have them set to dim and turn off the screen almost immediately, because the battery life is so shitty. When they aren't swiping around on them like a crazy person, they are looking for power outlets to keep the stupidly big things charged up.

    Screw that. Get a phone with a normal size screen, a phone that fits in your pocket, a phone that has a battery that lasts for a whole day, a phone that doesn't need another phone as an accessory.

    1. Re: Getting ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The galaxy note has a really good battery life actually. But it is rather gigantic.

    2. Re:Getting ridiculous by green1 · · Score: 2

      Speaking as someone with a "ridiculous 5 inch Android phone" (actually 5.5" display, Galaxy Note 2) I have never had a problem with battery life, it lasts all day no problem, and as it sits on my bedside as a replacement for my old alarm clock, it charges every night.

      As for why have a secondary phone, I can see it. The note is a big phone, but not so big as to be cumbersome in general, and as I wear cargo pants 95% of the time or more, there's plenty of pocket space. Unfortunately though I do occasionally dress a little fancier for one occasion or other, and in those rare cases it would be nice to have something smaller to fit in the reduced pocket space. I personally don't know that this is the solution though, it seems to me that the situation is rare enough for me that the best solution would be a small/cheap dumb phone that I can just swap the SIM in to as needed instead of an even more expensive smart phone with detachable dumb phone.

    3. Re:Getting ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Most* people are very logical thinkers. It's those that can't think have this problem...

    4. Re:Getting ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The next contractor that shows up to my workplace wearing cargo pants is going to get fired. This is not appropriate attire 95% of the time. I don't understand why people think they can go out of the house dressed like bums.

    5. Re:Getting ridiculous by green1 · · Score: 2

      I would be fired if I did NOT wear cargos, I'm in a uniformed profession, cargo pants are the only choice of pants offered for work.
      When I'm relaxing at home, I have some baggy comfortable cargos (and I don't see any reason at all to care what I look like at home), and when I'm out and about I have some very professional looking cargos that are applicable for almost every situation that doesn't require some level of fancy dress (plain black similar cut to most "casual" pants and with slim cargo pockets, certainly far more professional looking than the jeans most people wear).
      If you're one of those people who think cargo pants = camouflage pants, think again, I'll agree that baggy camo pants aren't appropriate most of the time, but it is rare to find an occasion at anything up to the "business casual" level that precludes professional looking cargo pants (think the type of pant that Police, or EMS wear, but without the stripe)
      When I go out to a party I will sometimes wear the professional looking cargos, or for slightly fancier events or for a date I don't wear cargos, It's only those times when I care what size my phone is. (of course if I'm at an event fancy enough to wear a suit, the phone isn't a problem anymore as the inside pocket of a suit jacket fits the phone just fine.)

    6. Re:Getting ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see these people with their ridiculous 5 inch Android phones. They have them set to dim and turn off the screen almost immediately, because the battery life is so shitty. When they aren't swiping around on them like a crazy person, they are looking for power outlets to keep the stupidly big things charged up.

      Maybe all that "swiping around like a crazy person" is actually them getting good use out of the device.

    7. Re:Getting ridiculous by Numtek · · Score: 1

      Just one day? My old 'dumb' phone lasts for several days.

    8. Re:Getting ridiculous by green1 · · Score: 1

      I suspect longer than a day, but since it gets plugged in every night anyway, it doesn't matter how long it lasts past that time.
      Once battery life reaches "until it ends up on a charger anyway" it doesn't matter how much longer than that it could last. I don't understand the people who constantly complain about the battery life of smart phones and state that they expect a phone to last several days on a charge. Why? do you routinely go several days without sleeping? do you normally go several days without being able to spend even an hour without your phone to your head? No. so just realize that having to charge your phone every day or 2 while you're asleep anyway isn't a big deal, and is way more than made up for by having all the features that the dumb phones don't have.

    9. Re:Getting ridiculous by jittles · · Score: 1

      a phone that fits in your pocket

      I can fit my Nexus 7 in the back pocket of my jeans quite comfortably. And I do so regularly when I take it out of doors. It also fits quite nicely in the pocket of my cargo shorts as well.

    10. Re:Getting ridiculous by Numtek · · Score: 1

      Although not very often, I do find myself without a wall socket of any kind for several days on end, for example when I'm on vacation, or at some festival.

    11. Re:Getting ridiculous by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Cargo pants are just convenient clothing, just like jeans. There is nothing inappropriate about them. Thankfully, jeans at least are acceptable almost everywhere by now - no thanks to dumb fucks like you who're stuck in Victorian times - and we'll get there on other good stuff eventually.

    12. Re:Getting ridiculous by green1 · · Score: 1

      Where are you sleeping on these vacations? if it's a hotel, hostel, RV, or friend's place, it has power. If you're in a tent for days on end, maybe you shouldn't be spending much time on your phone anyway... I find that it is extremely rare to be without power for that long AND in cell coverage, however in the rare circumstance I use one of the following solutions:
      1) car charger
      2) portable battery pack (about the size of a cell phone, 2-5 charges)
      3) realize that it's ok to be without a cell phone some times. (If I'm somewhere without either a car or a wall outlet for days on end, that implies that I'm trying to "get away" In those situations the phone is either at home, or turned off in the bottom of my pack. (and I'm likely outside of any cellular coverage anyway))

      Honestly I was worried about battery life of cell phones right up until I got a smart phone with the "short" battery life. After having it for a while though I realized that it has never yet been a problem. And that's coming from someone who spends a lot of time on various overnight/multi-night events, camps and hikes a lot and travels frequently.

    13. Re:Getting ridiculous by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Cargo pants are just convenient clothing, just like jeans. There is nothing inappropriate about them. Thankfully, jeans at least are acceptable almost everywhere by now - no thanks to dumb fucks like you who're stuck in Victorian times - and we'll get there on other good stuff eventually.

      Jeans are most certainly not acceptable business wear in the UK at least, unless you work in Shoreditch as a web designer or something. If you turned up to a business meeting in jeans and a t-shirt here, you would be laughed at.

      Not everywhere is California.

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    14. Re:Getting ridiculous by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If the battery definitely and reliably lasted all day, you're right that it wouldn't be a huge issue for most people. The problem is that if you start using it heavily you may not get to bedtime without it running out. And once you have to start limiting how long you use your phone for, it becomes a bit pointless having all the clever features if you need to stop using them on the chance that you might actually need to make or receive a phone call.

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    15. Re:Getting ridiculous by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Not everywhere is California.

      That is very unfortunate, and we're working on fixing it.

    16. Re:Getting ridiculous by green1 · · Score: 1

      This particular phone is still fairly new to me, however the lowest I've managed to get it before bed so far is 40%. My old smart phone which I had for 2 years, I did kill the battery completely on it before bedtime, I'd guess about 3 times (in 2 years).

      I have NEVER worried about my "extremely short battery life" because it's never turned out to be a problem despite all the fearmongering I see from people who want to stifle our ability to carry the world at our fingertips, or those who long for 2kg phones. If it REALLY worries you, buy an extended battery (they're available for almost all smart phones if you look on ebay) and although you'll likely never need it, it will give you some peace of mind. Either that or go back to your dumb phone and let the world pass you by.

  15. Re:The biggest problem with Smart Phones seems to by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

    This phone connects to the main phone via NFC, as the article points out. None of the aforementioned benefits would be derived from this setup. Furthermore. running the NFC radio on the main phone (needed so the smaller phone will work) will drain the battery even more. The dumbphone does not work without the smartphone.

  16. A nugget with a menu of optional interfaces by ldbapp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I want is a computing nugget that I can carry in my pocket (on a necklace, whatever), and then carry any number of different task-specific interfaces to it. You don't even have to carry them. Just walk up to your desk, and your keyboard and monitor connect and you have a desktop. Pick up your "smart-phone" interface, and go. Pick up your candybar interface and go. But all the computing and storage stays the same. It's your cloud in your pocket. Sell me that HTC.

    1. Re:A nugget with a menu of optional interfaces by sidevans · · Score: 1

      Yes, this man is 100% right, and that's why this phone in a phone idea might have some merit to it, next it could be external phone for your larger tablet or laptop with a 3G card.

      I want a small "box" in my backpack, a screen in my hand and a headset in my ear. Optional long life battery add-ons, optional audio system add-on with speakers like a ghetto blaster, USB projector, satellite dishes, musical instruments, medical devices, robotics and drones - the current tablets are slowly getting there with bluetooth and wifi, but nothing can progress until the iSheep are ready to move forward.

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    2. Re:A nugget with a menu of optional interfaces by epp_b · · Score: 1

      Cloud? By the time something like that rolls out, we'll have storage that is capacious, cheap and fast enough to manage all your data without any of this cloud BS.

  17. So what they're really selling is... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... an inconveniently large bluetooth headset?

    1. Re:So what they're really selling is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it appears so, the best feature of the Mini is that it can be used as a remote control when the phone is hooked up to a tv. As something that is supposed to be a mini phone it does appear to be rather big.

    2. Re:So what they're really selling is... by Xyde · · Score: 1

      Not even that useful, it's NFC.

  18. Phablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you carry one like i do since i rarely actually make calls, they do make something called a 'wireless headset' ...

  19. Thats not nearly enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If each phone is half the size of the previous phone, I can fit an infinite number in my pocket!

    1. Re:Thats not nearly enough! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      If each phone is half the size of the previous phone, I can fit an infinite number in my pocket!

      I hope each one is also half the price of the previous one ...

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  20. Re:The biggest problem with Smart Phones seems to by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

    This device is not a dumb phone on the same number. It is merely a peripheral I/O device, like a bluetooth headset. It can't make or receive calls unless it is close to the main phone/tablet.

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  21. Re:The biggest problem with Smart Phones seems to by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

    It only uses NFC to initialize the connection. After that, it uses Bluetooth. It shouldn't be any more or less of a drain on your battery than a Bluetooth headset.

  22. Useful in my truck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be useful in my truck-boat-truck, so that I don't have to hold such a bulky phone while towing my boat that tows my other truck.

  23. Where is the phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went into a store the other day wanting to buy a phone. They sales staff showed me an MP3 player, internet browser, gaming console, PDA and a radio. I walked out frustrated ... I just wanted a phone!

    1. Re:Where is the phone? by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      Phone shops want to sell shiny things not practical things.

      You can find low end phones that just work in most airports. Business travelers often break their phones and need to buy a new one in a hurry.

  24. Re:The biggest problem with Smart Phones seems to by ericloewe · · Score: 1

    Dunno about iOS, Android or Windows Phone, but MeeGo has a very effective battery-saving mode, which dims the screen, does not use data connections unless you manually start them and automatically disengages once you start charging it. It won't be as power-efficient as a dumbphone, but it does have a much larger battery.

    If your OS of choice isn't as smart, if you want to save your battery, manually shut off Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC (may not apply), 3G/4G data and dim the screen.

  25. RIM was there first by sbjornda · · Score: 1
    RIM was there first, only the other way around. The BlackBerry handset has the voice+data plan; the Playbook tablet uses a Bluetooth connection back to the handset to browse, read email.

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    1. Re:RIM was there first by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      RIM was there first, only the other way around.

      Yes, and we saw how well it worked for them.

      Incidentally, George Santayana was right.

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    2. Re:RIM was there first by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      Yes, and we saw how well it worked for them.

      It was actually a great idea. It wasn't executed very well, and people didn't realize, yet, why it should work that way. Nowadays, it makes a whole lot more sense.

  26. I bet this is immensely helpful... by pellik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... for calling your phone when you misplace it.

  27. Awesome new idea by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yo, I've got something that will blow your mind: a phone that stays at your house and can't go anywhere. It get amazing reception, and call quality and dropped calls are never really an issue. Pretty soon every teenager is going to want one. These things are BAD, and can be really big. Big is the new small, know what I'm saying? How come nobody ever thought of a phone before that is JUST a phone and doesn't play Angry Birds? And you'll never ever crack the screen. No giant Otterbox necessary (besides, it is already so big it doesn't need a box to make it huge, like an iPhone). Bonus: you'll never forget it or have it stolen at Starbucks, cause you can't use it there.

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  28. Can you like, accessorize it? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    Can you like get a mini parasitic phone that comes like pre-bedazzled? If I can get a sparkly one that works with my iPhone then I'm like, you know, like sooo in. What about an even smaller one for my min-pin-chin-tzu (you've like GOT to get a custom four-breed tiny dog) to carry around on her collar? lol that would be like soooo cute.

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  29. Re:Oh, the wrist phone is connected to the hand ph by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    "WTF is that smell?"
    "Excuse me, I'm receiving a FAX."

    Essential communication from those guys in the Darmstadt office, perhaps?

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  30. Just a remote by c · · Score: 1

    If you think of it as a Bluetooth remote (NFC doesn't really give enough range that "remote" has any meaning) it's not really all that unreasonable. I spent a good chunk of my morning looking for a Canadian supplier of something not entirely dissimilar... remote music control, camera shutter trigger, and since it has Real Buttons it's a little more effective to control music and whatnot while driving.

    But yeah, whoever decided to market this as a phone for a phone needs their head(s) checked.

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  31. Re:The biggest problem with Smart Phones seems to by kwark · · Score: 1

    "Dunno about iOS, Android or Windows Phone, but MeeGo has a very effective battery-saving mode, which dims the screen, does not use data connections unless you manually start them and automatically disengages once you start charging it."

    There is an app for that.

  32. Deviception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now we have tablets that detach from keyboards, and phones that are put into tablets, and phones that are put into phones. Obviously the super device will combine all of these! You'll have a tiny phone thing with 4g and other communication boards that slot into a bigger phone with a bigger screen and battery and storage and more processing power that slots into an even bigger screen with more battery that connects to a keyboard with and extra battery and another flash drive.

    And I form the legs!

    1. Re:Deviception by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Well, rather than a 'tiny phone thing with 4g', I'm more thinking you have a huge tablet thing with the 4g and a 'tiny phone thing' that hooks up to it via bluetooth.

      Bigger antenna = more sensitivity and needing less power(on average) to connect to the cell network; plus the bigger battery gives you the life you want.

      Then have the port so that you slot your tiny phone into it for charging and so you don't lose it.

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    2. Re:Deviception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, rather than a 'tiny phone thing with 4g', I'm more thinking you have a huge tablet thing with the 4g and a 'tiny phone thing' that hooks up to it via bluetooth.

      Bigger antenna = more sensitivity and needing less power(on average) to connect to the cell network; plus the bigger battery gives you the life you want.

      Then have the port so that you slot your tiny phone into it for charging and so you don't lose it.

      Absolutely. And, for longer talk time, you could let the smaller handset be connected to big radio brick. Might look something like this...

      No doubt it would be all the rage.

  33. Is slashdot the new wired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are questions the new answer?

  34. Re:Oh, the wrist phone is connected to the hand ph by MangoCats · · Score: 1

    Fringe alternate universe - if you don't know, watch the show.

  35. I guess size does matter by cvtan · · Score: 2

    So bigger is better AND smaller is better.

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  36. Decent idea, horrible marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the trashing?

    It's not that stupid of an idea.

    If you don't pay for a landline and all you use is a cellphone, then this is basically an additional handset for that. It's no different then buying extra handsets for an existing wireless phone system (that plugs into an RJ11 jack). You can have your cell phone sitting in the dock charging after a days worth of use, and be in another room (assuming Bluetooth reaches) and still use it to make calls and receive calls.

    So it's not that stupid of an idea. They're kinda marketing it wrong though.

    I personally use Asterix to provide similar functionality. When my phone is home and within range of my Asterix system, all my RJ11 jacks in the house are routed through my cellphone automatically. The system obviously goes dead when I'm not around, but I'm single so what do I care. If I wasn't such a geek and insisted on maintaining such a rube-goldberg setup, then I could totally see myself buying a few BT handsets like this to use instead.

  37. Any other recommendation ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Samsung Rugby Pro or Sony Acro S

    Thanks !

    Got any other recommendation ?

    Thanks again !!

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    1. Re:Any other recommendation ? by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Got any other recommendation ?

      My brother is an avid outdoorsman, he's very happy with his ruggedised Samsung phone. I believe it's this one, or a very similar model. It shrugs off all kinds of abuse, and he's put it through its paces :)

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  38. Yo Dawg by detritus. · · Score: 1

    I heard you like phones, so we put a phone in your phone so you can talk while you talk.

  39. Siri, this is Siri by govett · · Score: 1

    Soon Siri will converse with Siri.

  40. This is the portable computer future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone has a device with a big battery and fast internet connectivity that they carry with them everywhere and is always connected: in a purse, pocket, backpack, or even a harness. Right now this is the "smart phone".

    Their watch, their actual phone, their headset, their glasses, their computer, their tablet are all connected to it to use it for internet connectivity and even to top their batteries off via wireless charging if they get dangerously low.

    Until foldable, rollable screens go live and you can have a tuck a screen the size of a book into your coin pocket, your biggest screen will continue to be stuck to your battery and internet device.

  41. Natural evolution by Askmum · · Score: 1

    I've seen this coming for a long time. I've even asked for this myself. As smartphones get bigger and bigger, holding them to your ear is more and more awkward. Can you imagine putting your 10" iPhone to your ear? I cannot. Or having to carry your big pad close at hand so when it rings, you can answer the call. That's a bit hard to do when it is in your bagpack where it belongs. But consumers what the bigger smartphones for their ease of use and need a mobile plan with it to use the internet. So: buy two mobile plans? Get two simcard with your one mobile plan? Or get a small BT-enabled phone that you can carry in your pocket while the "mother-device" stays tucked away.

    It's a natural development. We've all seen how the laptop has grown to something unwieldy, manufacturers have recognized that and made the small laptops like the EEEpc and iPad. This is the next step.

  42. One for talking, one for Internet/GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have two phones. A small one that I have to carry for work. Try using a "smart phone" whilst
    wearing gloves! Try dropping your $30 flip phone and your $200 smart phone into a snow bank
    or into a puddle of water and get back to me about which is better for outside work. Honestly,
    I think that my smart phone almost laughable in its attempt to work as a telephone. But it works
    great for GPS and for Internet. It's also, with the addition of 3rd party typing tools, easier for texting
      (once the gloves have been removed.)