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Facebook To App Developers: Good Idea, Now Stop Using Our API

An anonymous reader writes "In what seems to be a recurring theme with Facebook as the social networking giant adds features, competing apps that use Facebook integration risk being cut off due to the terms of service surrounding the API. For example, 'Voxer CEO Tom Katis told AllThingsD that the company got an email on Thursday saying that Facebook wanted to hold a phone call to discuss possible violations of a section of the company’s terms of service. The section in question centers around the use of Facebook’s social graph by competing social networks.' Similarly, 'Within hours of Twitter launching its Vine video-sharing application on Thursday, Facebook has cut off access to Vine’s "find people" feature, which used to let Vine users find their Facebook friends using the Vine application.' You have to ask yourself: is it really worth developing an app that integrates with, or worse runs completely on Facebook's platform?"

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  1. What's the point? by jaymz666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why does Facebook even offer an API to developers if any time an app becomes popular they block them?

    1. Re:What's the point? by radiumsoup · · Score: 5, Funny

      aaaaand... we're done in one.

    2. Re:What's the point? by trparky · · Score: 5, Informative

      You could say the same thing about Apple. There were many features that independent app developers made that later were killed off and made a part of iOS.

    3. Re:What's the point? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because they want an R&D division to come up with profitable new ideas for them?

    4. Re:What's the point? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Funny

      What the heck is the Facebook F doing next to your name?

      Did you sign into slashdot with your facebook account?

      How can I prevent it from happening to me? Is there a vaccine, or tonic I can take?

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    5. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Try AC's Patent Drop. It cures female hysteria, Facebook integration, and rectifies the humours.

    6. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably "login with Facebook". Slashdot needs to watch out, or the same thing will happen to them as to TechCrunch.
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130123/03271121761/techcrunch-admits-that-using-facebook-comments-drove-away-most-their-commenters.shtml

    7. Re:What's the point? by greg1104 · · Score: 2

      There are lists of rendered obsolete apps for Lion, Mountain Lion, and IOS6 in a few minutes of searching. I'm most amused by how Instapaper started on the iPhone, became a widely lauded app, moved to Android, and then the core idea was integrated into IOS6 as Safari's Offline Reading feature. I suspect it's only the Android users who are keeping the company viable now.

    8. Re:What's the point? by houghi · · Score: 2

      Well, what I do is add the folowing to my hosts file and point it to 127.0.0.1
      www.facebook.com
      facebook.com
      login.facebook.com
      www.login.facebook.com
      static.ak.connect.facebook.com
      www.static.ak.connect.facebook.com
      ads.ak.facebook.com
      creative.ak.facebook.com
      fb.com

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    9. Re:What's the point? by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      Worse things could happen than to be bought out by facebook for a billion dollars.

      I guess that's the gamble. ;)

    10. Re:What's the point? by mister_playboy · · Score: 2

      Ah... I was wondering why some new users had these large blanks to the right of their names. Turns out NoScript is hiding the FB logo that should be there.

      Thanks for solving this mystery. :)

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    11. Re:What's the point? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Since we're on the subject, I don't see how Twitter can complain, since Twitter has been doing exactly the same to others who use its API. And I do mean exactly.

  2. Um, DUH? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would you ever design a product that's completely and utterly dependent on a service provided by someone else, especially someone else who you view as a competitor or who may down the road view you as a competitor, without an iron-clad, air-tight contract guaranteeing exactly what services they'll provide you and providing scorched-earth-level penalties for their failure to provide service according to the agreed-upon terms? Anything less is pretty much a guarantee that they'll pull the rug out from under you as soon as they think it'll be to their advantage. I'm not a business type or some super startup guru, just a lowly techie, but even I can figure that one out. Gleh, what do they teach in school these days? That the Universe is all rainbows and unicorns and that everybody plays nice all the time?

    1. Re:Um, DUH? by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      The thing is, there was never a need for Voxer or Vine to tie into facebook in the first place. Facebook provides nothing to either app.
      I've seen this a sort of mentality a hundred times on apps in the Android Play store. Diet apps, health apps, personal finance apps, all tying into Facebook, which is arguably the last place you want apps sharing private information.

      These developers just arbitrarily toss that crap in to be part of the in-crowd.

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    2. Re:Um, DUH? by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      The idea was that you would go into Vine, Vine would search your facebook profile for friends of yours who were also using Vine and add them to Vine's friend list for you. That is providing real functionality. Now you have to manually search for and enter each of your friends one by one. So no, they aren't just jumping on the bandwagon, they are using the information from the Facebook API in a way that is so incredibly obvious that the fact that it is blocked makes you wonder what the hell the API was supposed to be fore in the first place.

    3. Re:Um, DUH? by greg1104 · · Score: 2

      The thing is, there was never a need for Voxer or Vine

      You could have stopped here.

    4. Re:Um, DUH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Demented and sad, but social.

  3. Re:Is it worth it? by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When your entire business is totally dependent on someone else's business, you have absolutely no control.

  4. Re:Is it worth it? by boristdog · · Score: 2

    It's like being a contract services company with only one client.

  5. similar complain with microsoft by peter303 · · Score: 2

    There were more efficient functions in the deep code which werent exposed to the outside world. Internal developers could write more efficient applications than 3rd party.

    Limiting the scope of an external API is often done to improve testing and documentation. Too wide an interface is harder to support.

  6. Walled Garden by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    If people still asking why ... ask them to look at North Korea.

    Facebook is a walled garden, and the "walled" part of a walled garden is just that, WALLED.

    Which means, FB can do whatever it likes in its domain, just like the North Korean government can do whatever it likes within the sovereignty of North Korea.

    They are accountable to nobody, and they do not have to answer to anything.

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    1. Re:Walled Garden by Genda · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ooooo! ooo! oooo! Make it Ferengi!!

  7. Sharing to build a stronger result by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    It's not just Facebook. All web sites are giving each other crap about people linking and embedding their content. Twitter is whining about getting cut of because of Vine is crocodile tears. They did the same to Facebook owned Instagram just a few months back. This is Facebook playing by Twitters rules. The web used to be about linking and combining each others strong points, but those days are over now. Companies seem to think that compatibility with others will be their downfall and anyone linking to their app or content must be eliminated by blocking them or suing them into oblivion. News papers want money from Google for news links, APIs are suddenly only to be used for features that some company has not (yet) developed itself.

    We need change and competition to keep innovation going. If it wasn't for countries grossly evading and ignoring our environmental, labor and IP regulations, we'd still be in 1970, more or less. Humanity and human beings have built their entire civilization and culture on this embrace and extend thing and blocking yourself of it, will guarantee you will be left behind as a company. How many horse and carriage drivers went jobless because they refused to learn to drive an automobile? Did their protests stop the rest of the world to drive cars? People will eventually find a way around or without your product and you'll be the one with the outdated, non complying setup that everyone left for the competition.

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  8. blocking it at the firewall by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2
    As KiloByte wrote, your list is very incomplete. You can block Facebook at the firewall if you use the ASN to look up all the nets involved. /usr/bin/whois -h whois.radb.net '!gAS32934' | tr ' ' '\n'

    From there you can munge the list of nets into a list of firewall rules and add them to your firewall. No more tracking by Facebook.

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  9. The users are *products* by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    If FB was a simple website hosting some data, I'd agree. But it is the meeting place of 1 billion people, and we should have a say on what affects us.

    You don't get no say.

    Officially, you are a product that FB sells to their advertisers.

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